Why do you reject the theory of evolution?

We must have a soul, I didn't say there must be a god but without a soul we would be nothing but a bag of meat and bones.
There is within us all a divine spark that makes us who we are. That energy must have started somewhere and must also go somewhere when we expire. Forget the theological side of things and take a big hit exhale and think about and contemplate the idea that the human soul does exist. We are not human beings having a spiritual experience rather spiritual beings having a human experience.

Kanaplya said:

But when you really thing of it, a creature with a woman's body and a fish tail is at least physiologically feasible opposed to an all knowing all powerful white bearded man in the sky. And Dragons live in Indonesia...

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Dude those are big lizards with nasty teeth and deadly bacteria, not fire breathing giants with wings!

redeyedfrog said:

We must have a soul, I didn't say there must be a god but without a soul we would be nothing but a bag of meat and bones.
There is within us all a divine spark that makes us who we are. That energy must have started somewhere and must also go somewhere when we expire. Forget the theological side of things and take a big hit exhale and think about and contemplate the idea that the human soul does exist. We are not human beings having a spiritual experience rather spiritual beings having a human experience.

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This is fun - http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/

burgertime2010 said:

That is certainly true, you earn pride I believe. You are saying, to a degree, that I am full of shit for what I say with a high level of certainty as well. Just be aware that is how you sound. Take it for whatever it is worth.

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This is absolutely not what i am saying. You can be as sure of whatever you believe in if you want, but there are no levels of certainty my friend. There is certain, or not certain. When we eradicate the notion of doubt with our beliefs, we eradicate all of the different possibilities that the world has to offer. I am not saying that you are wrong, far from it. All i am saying, is that the possibility exists that you MIGHT be wrong, and to deny that possibility, is to deny reality.

I do not think you are full of shit, i think you are full of bad da' fuck ass ideas that i sincerely enjoy reading about. I apologize for the miscommunication man, didn't mean for it to sound that way brotha.

Zaehet Strife said:

This is absolutely not what i am saying. You can be as sure of whatever you believe in if you want, but there are no levels of certainty my friend. There is certain, or not certain. When we eradicate the notion of doubt with our beliefs, we eradicate all of the different possibilities that the world has to offer. I am not saying that you are wrong, far from it. All i am saying, is that the possibility exists that you MIGHT be wrong, and to deny that possibility, is to deny reality.

I do not think you are full of shit, i think you are full of bad da' fuck ass ideas that i sincerely enjoy reading about. I apologize for the miscommunication man, didn't mean for it to sound that way brotha.

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It's cool, I can appreciate that. I think to live in between fact and fiction serves the artist, musician, or philosopher well but doesn't uncertainty tend to negate learning sometimes. In reality I am not a slave to certainty and it is hard because so many are. The concept of uncertainty is alienating

Zaehet Strife said:

Someone who believes in mermaids (who is above 12 years old)... is fuckin stupid, harsh it may be, but reality can be a harsh mistress. /shakes head

The same can be said for people who are adults that still believe in the easter bunny, or the tooth fairy, or santa clause... would you not call them fuckin stupid if they refused to acknowledge the truth of the matter when faced with it?

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I'll take Jung's word on fantasy over yours any day. Here, have a Flintstone vitamin.

joe macclennan said:

not really, that's like saying sasquatch exists because it hasn't been proven it doesn't.

it doesn't work like that.

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Be so kind as to explain why?

This is an excellent thread topic, just keeping my place here so i dont use it.
This topic can be discussed civilly and is in fact fascinating and i believe in a creator.
For the record , i dont hate atheists or anyone really, maybe pedophiles etc. But they certainly have nothing to do with the other.

burgertime2010 said:

It's cool, I can appreciate that. I think to live in between fact and fiction serves the artist, musician, or philosopher well but doesn't uncertainty tend to negate learning sometimes. In reality I am not a slave to certainty and it is hard because so many are. The concept of uncertainty is alienating

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There is a very big difference between reality... the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them, and theological/metaphysical ideas do not reside in reality.

A famous writer once said- Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

There are physical and chemical laws that we can learn about within reality, what is here when we are awake and not dreaming. We can measure, test, study, examine all of the wonderful things that this universe has produced from the time it was born until now. We can't be certain, but we can have a very high probability that our planet will continue to rotate and the sun will stay in the "same spot" and "rise" in the morning when we wake up.

In this existence nothing is certain, but there are varying probabilities. Probabilities can be set within reality, because we can observe and measure them.
Theology and metaphysics, these do not originate and can never be within the realm of reality... they reside in the realm of imagination, and within the realm of imagination... every idea has an equal amount of probability and possibility as any other idea.

For example, the idea that god exists has an equal amount of probability that god doesn't exist. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. God or Gods may or may not exist, there is an equal chance that they do or don't exist, the same can be said about souls. Because Gods and souls... they are not REAL per-say, they are IDEAS... nothing more, but nothing less.

Increased or decreased probability in a theological or metaphysical standpoint does not exist within reality, only in imagination... in which every probability or possibility exists equally.

Increase or decreased probability only exists within reality, a realm which can be measured, tested, studied, and shown to everyone else on the planet so they can see and experience it for themselves.

I hope this makes sense man.

Someacdude said:

This is an excellent thread topic, just keeping my place here so i dont use it.
This topic can be discussed civilly and is in fact fascinating and i believe in a creator.
For the record , i dont hate atheists or anyone really, maybe pedophiles etc. But they certainly have nothing to do with the other.

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there is the option of not knowing

rcindica said:

Because there are still monkeys..


Humans seem to be devolving..

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Humans did not evolve from monkeys. Instead, monkeys and humans share a common ancestor from which both evolved around 25 million years ago.

Padawanbater2 said:

Just wondering

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Because all we see around us is micro evolution. Changing size, and different genetic traits, but there is no proof of macro evolution.
I don't follow a faith but i do believe we were designed.

Zaehet Strife said:

There is a very big difference between reality... the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them, and theological/metaphysical ideas do not reside in reality.

A famous writer once said- Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

There are physical and chemical laws that we can learn about within reality, what is here when we are awake and not dreaming. We can measure, test, study, examine all of the wonderful things that this universe has produced from the time it was born until now. We can't be certain, but we can have a very high probability that our planet will continue to rotate and the sun will stay in the same spot and "rise" in the morning when we wake up.

In this existence nothing is certain, but there are varying probabilities. Probabilities can be set within reality, because we can observe and measure them.
Theology and metaphysics, these do not originate and can never be within the realm of reality... they reside in the realm of imagination, and within the realm of imagination... every idea has an equal amount of probability as anything else.

For example, the idea that god exists has an equal amount of probability that god doesn't exist. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. God or Gods may or may not exist, there is an equal chance that they do or don't exist, the same can be said about souls. Because Gods and souls... they are not REAL per-say, they are IDEAS... nothing more, but nothing less.

Increased or decreased probability in a theological or metaphysical standpoint does not exist...

Increase or decreased probability only exists within reality, a realm which can be measured, tested, studied, and shown to everyone else on the planet so they can see and experience it for themselves.

I hope this makes sense man.

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More and more it does. I see a lot of overlap between metaphysics and quantum mechanics in that logical solutions are probabilities and cannot be directly observed. Science is blurring the sacred line with new neurology, devices that operate off of intent, principle of uncertainty. The interests are more in gaining a wisdom, mastery, and retaining a beginners mind. The path towards enlightenment. The God concept is not relevant however I am inclined to see divinity in the beauty and the mathematics of aesthetics.

burgertime2010 said:

More and more it does. I see a lot of overlap between metaphysics and quantum mechanics in that logical solutions are probabilities and cannot be directly observed. Science is blurring the sacred line with new neurology, devices that operate off of intent, principle of uncertainty. The interests are more in gaining a wisdom, mastery, and retaining a beginners mind. The path towards enlightenment. The God concept is not relevant however I am inclined to see divinity in the beauty and the mathematics of aesthetics.

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Enlightenment to me, is an idea that has come into being, to give hope to those who have given up on life... who have lost the will to live this life for what it is, to desire a life better than the one given to them this moment, right now.

Isn't this enough? This life, this one life, this astounding universe... isn't this enough?

To most, it isn't, so they pretend the certainty of an idea of enlightenment, to escape from the reality of that which is... to travel into a reality of that which they want it to be.

I ask again... isn't this enough??!!



It is for me. I don't need to believe in things that i cannot perceive without my senses in order to be happy. I have my health, my friends and my family... that is enough for me... i don't need fairy tales.

Zaehet Strife said:

Enlightenment to me, is an idea that has come into being, to give hope to those who have given up on life... who have lost the will to live this life for what it is, to desire a life better than the one given to them this moment, right now.

Isn't this enough? This life, this one life, this astounding universe... isn't this enough?

To most, it isn't, so they pretend the certainty of an idea of enlightenment, to escape from the reality of that which is... to travel into a reality of that which they want it to be.

I ask again... isn't this enough??!!

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No, enlightenment I can articulate best as it applies to sculpture. The way is to attain a fulfillment and allow the reflection of that abundance into artwork or anything. It is an inner certainty. A way of processing your art with attention to the eternal. You find balance and meaning in the application of design. It is a gentle path toward the unknown. It is not escape, it is me. My work tells the story far better.

We are all just the universe experiencing itself

Zaehet Strife said:

I agree, no one has proven that fairies or dragons don't exist. And because never in the history of mankind has either of those been seen, or bones been collected or evidence been gathered... we can safely assume that the most logical standpoint is that, no, as far as we can tell so far... fairies and dragons do not exist, the same can be said for a soul.

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I think zaehet said it best. ^^

eye exaggerate said:

Be so kind as to explain why?

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Jung said it best, so far, but thanks Joe.

"The judgment of the intellect is, at best, only the half of truth, and must, if it be honest, also come to an understanding of its inadequacy."

• We Shall Naturally look round in vain the macrophysical world for acausal events, for the simple reason that we cannot imagine events that are connected non-causally and are capable of a non-causal explanation. But that does not mean that such events do not exist... The so-called "scientific view of the world" based on this can hardly be anything more than a psychologically biased partial view which misses out all those by no means unimportant aspects that cannot be grasped statistically.
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• Primitive superstition lies just below the surface of even the most tough-minded individuals, and it is precisely those who most fight against it who are the first to succumb to its suggestive effects.

I could spend the next 2 days pasting quotes from thinkers that have more intellectual prowess than Strife (and Strife) who understand the limits of the intellect.

eye exaggerate said:

Jung said it best, so far, but thanks Joe.

"The judgment of the intellect is, at best, only the half of truth, and must, if it be honest, also come to an understanding of its inadequacy."

• We Shall Naturally look round in vain the macrophysical world for acausal events, for the simple reason that we cannot imagine events that are connected non-causally and are capable of a non-causal explanation. But that does not mean that such events do not exist... The so-called "scientific view of the world" based on this can hardly be anything more than a psychologically biased partial view which misses out all those by no means unimportant aspects that cannot be grasped statistically.
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• Primitive superstition lies just below the surface of even the most tough-minded individuals, and it is precisely those who most fight against it who are the first to succumb to its suggestive effects.

I could spend the next 2 days pasting quotes from thinkers that have more intellectual prowess than Strife (and Strife) who understand the limits of the intellect.

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Original thinking, passive aggression, or cut and paste? Primitive right?