Why Buy from NonCup Winning Seed Companies

Tangie have won 8 cups in a 8 months, while TGA so called Dank Genetics hasn't even won 8 cups since its been in business. Most ppl in Cali consider his strains med-grade. But u still have ppl buying his seeds. I was wanting to know, what makes someone buy into a non cup winning seed company? And after watching the last weed nerd, I'd think the only thing most non winning seed companies have going for them is giving away free hash n free weed. Breeders lie genetics don't.

i'll hunt through packs if i got the time & inclination.

should i trust that shanti did it right?
or his wack spainish facility ? (where LOTS of the world's seed garbage originates).

flip side , i've ran delicious seeds & found great plants.

i've run samsara and found dankness.

it's for love. its for the cross. its for fun.

7 years of cracking TGA beans ...& subby's gear has finally gifted my mother plant stash with (in many respects) a near elite from seed. chernobyl.

i never crack a pack of TGA , just a few to go along with whatever im rocking in the lab. this time... pay off.
would i reccomend guy. nope. only for the experienced. shit his gear aint exactly cheap.

cant say i bought more than 1.5 packs. the rest gifted. but somebody gotta do the work. somebody gotta find these plants.

again should i trust that nev found what i like?

i got new nev gear. but it aint my thing. my network is large & i got friends who love him.
so we trade and swap and barter.

though ask anybody here : i slander subby like a pro !
fucking hate dude. fucking love dude. i love nug bucket more

but if sub didnt exist would i even know of main-lining?

on the other hand , my homie e$Kob@r not having ever won a cup ...means little ...very little.

he gets clones from soma , has a legit facility , selects from large sample populations, and much more.

i'd put e$ko's gear up against anybody out there. any cup wining breeder!

>>> besides we know the cup is bullshit.
used to be cool. now hype show. recently, i was checking out a copy of the first HT with skunk #1 as the cup winner.
that's when the cup had an air of legitimacy. now its like a fucking trade show. & imo got better gear in my stash.

we could say arjan crosses a common lemon skunk cut (probably provided to him by don & arron) with ssh & people should be growing that strain. he wins some cups but ahhhhh yeah i wouldn't run GH beans. not on quality issues. cause im not into their genetics.

on the flip, i do love to watch strain hunter vids.
& i do love that criticism arjan wrote about shanti.
its like two little bitches being bitches while they sell us so-so ho-hum gear.

im such a hypocrite

Perhaps there is something that you have not considered. Cannabis Cups are pure bullshit.



Edit: Ulp! Gudkarma beat me to it!

rollitup said:

Perhaps there is something that you have not considered. Cannabis Cups are pure bullshit.



Edit: Ulp! Gudkarma beat me to it!

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Hey rollitup, It is relatively easy to tell a noob...Ya' just can't tell 'em much...FWIW

Because the cup is run and won by people who love money more than cannabis.

I've ran strains like papaya, rambo and rug burn which hasn't never a cup. I've grown out many many seeds. I remember when u could buy alien trainwreck seeds from humbolt county, but now they're calling it a clone only. I wasn't talking about the cannabis cup, i was talking about "Cups!!" Spanish, medical cups, etc.... To me if your genetics are even as good as u say...meaning u "BREEDER" if some else entered them they should win something. Look at all the ppl still breeding with skunk, northern lights, haze, and the many different afg's. if u were to look at every ones seed catalog you see that most are selling u seeds you yourself could've made. The other have are selling the Same cross under a different name. Most of them are cup winners. Mr nice seeds is where I buy my seeds from becuz their genetic speak for themselves. Like shanti once said, if u want to know then truth.....plant the seed. Becuz the truth is in the seed.

A lot of people don't care about winning awards. I like to look at other people growing the breeder's gear personally.

NevilleS.2013 said:

I've ran strains like papaya, rambo and rug burn which hasn't never a cup. I've grown out many many seeds. I remember when u could buy alien trainwreck seeds from humbolt county, but now they're calling it a clone only. I wasn't talking about the cannabis cup, i was talking about "Cups!!" Spanish, medical cups, etc.... To me if your genetics are even as good as u say...meaning u "BREEDER" if some else entered them they should win something. Look at all the ppl still breeding with skunk, northern lights, haze, and the many different afg's. if u were to look at every ones seed catalog you see that most are selling u seeds you yourself could've made. The other have are selling the Same cross under a different name. Most of them are cup winners. Mr nice seeds is where I buy my seeds from becuz their genetic speak for themselves. Like shanti once said, if u want to know then truth.....plant the seed. Becuz the truth is in the seed.

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Neville, It is one thing to be thought of as naive and ill-informed but down right embarrassing to keep posting drivel here proving it beyond any reasonable doubt...Give it a rest...FWIW

how do you use the cup as reference when you got people like ken estes entering in bodhi genetics that he grew out and calling it Bay-11 so everyone gobbles up his seeds.... its like basketball the day they proved the refs where helping fix games is the day ALL PRO SPORTS fall into question and i can no longer wager money/believe in the outcome of any sporting event that has an official referee. sooo when the HTCC gets won by someone calling a weed something it isn't then wellll that kinda takes the honesty out of it.

IMO tangie might be good. i personally LOVE DNA genetics. but i can't help but have nightmares and think back to tangerine dream. that one won the cup and i have yet to meet a single person that got a winning bean. a few people thought they had winners but when i sampled the smoke it all just tasted like lemon rinds nothing good at all. shit didn't it win it twice in a row? it was all anyone talked about for a while there and IT SUCKED. i popped 7 beans and found nothing even remotely close to a winner in flavor OR GROWTH it was a loser in every sense of the word.

rollitup said:

Perhaps there is something that you have not considered. Cannabis Cups are pure bullshit.

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I wouldn't go so far as to say they're PURE bullshit, since most of the strains that win are at least decent in their own right. IE, all else being equal if you had to pick a strain, you're probably going to better off picking one from a list of cup winning strains than at random throwing darts at the seedbank list.

But there is certainly enough bullshit there that it would be foolish to restrict your strain selection to JUST winners.

Just because a strain wins a cup doesn't mean that what you buy in the pack from the breeder is the same thing that won the cup.

Even if what the breeder throws in the pack is the same genetics as what won the cup, AND you can find a good pheno of same, that doesn't necessarily make it suitable for YOUR grow room, or mean that some other strain wouldn't be a better choice.

And just because a particular breeder won a cup with strain "A" doesn't mean that its other strains "B" through "Z" are worth anything.

(In response to the OP)Wow, you never grew subcool's genetics yet you feel free to trash his gear. hypocrites shouldn't get to question other's motives or tastes. cups are for flair and bragging rights, do you honestly believe Greenhouse and barney's farm are the top of the elite? because they have won more cups than anyone else i can think of.

I grew subcool's gear for nearly 2 1/2 years and found multiple plants worth keeping, Dioxide's Chernobyl and qrazy train are winners, the Vortex might be a low yielder but the quality is superb, Mz Jill's Agen't orange is one of the best tasting and highest yielding strains you can get that also has a up/happy buzz despite a 9 week flower time. cheesequake is also another high quality hybrid of sub's that doesn't get enough respect.


Edit: also, there are several other breeders out there who don't get recognition although they deserve it, subcool just markets his gear well. Like gudkarma said, Escobar from sanniesshop.com is one of them, his hybrids are top notch and have less variation that alot of subcool's genetics. Homegrown fantaseeds is another breeder that has a bunch of quality old school genetics yet doesn't win cups.

i'm not going to argue, shanti has set up and bred alot of the building blocks of today's genetics, but his gear is going downhill. his black widow hybrids are herm prone and so is the black widow. he's not done a great job at keeping his gene's fresh. Medicine man(white rhino at gh seeds) gave me herms and the ortega as well.

Jogro said:

I wouldn't go so far as to say they're PURE bullshit, since most of the strains that win are at least decent in their own right. IE, all else being equal if you had to pick a strain, you're probably going to better off picking one from a list of cup winning strains than at random throwing darts at the seedbank list.

But there is certainly enough bullshit there that it would be foolish to restrict your strain selection to JUST winners.

Just because a strain wins a cup doesn't mean that what you buy in the pack from the breeder is the same thing that won the cup.

Even if what the breeder throws in the pack is the same genetics as what won the cup, AND you can find a good pheno of same, that doesn't necessarily make it suitable for YOUR grow room, or mean that some other strain wouldn't be a better choice.

And just because a particular breeder won a cup with strain "A" doesn't mean that its other strains "B" through "Z" are worth anything.

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I'll agree that cup wins are a slightly better selection method than throwing a dart, but I don't think it's that much better.
I really like Esko who's been mentioned in this thread. Another breeder who doesn't look for publicity but breeds dank is Classic Seeds.

just to point out how far off those cups can be not many of the canadian breeders ever won if any and there are some good ones. uncle esco is the breeder of the future, he still breeds. not very many of them around anymore. i seen some posts with one of these new breeders and he was talking to his faithful followers about 3 seeds some old hippy gave him at the last festival and he was crossing it with his flavor of the week and it was going to drop just as soon as it dried. now maybe you can call that breeding but for me for a 150 a pack plus shipping for pollen chunking i could do myself is just about to much. it`s like Gudkarma said trading, bartering is by far better than getting any of the cup winners. i`m not going to get into the tga thing but i bet if you read what i wrote^^^^ ^^^^^ somewhere you can find what i think of his work too. that just worked out LMFAO!

I won't buy from breeders who won't talk about their parent stock. I'm really excited to start my own breeding project in the nearish future.

NevilleS.2013 said:

Tangie have won 8 cups in a 8 months, while TGA so called Dank Genetics hasn't even won 8 cups since its been in business. Most ppl in Cali consider his strains med-grade. But u still have ppl buying his seeds. I was wanting to know, what makes someone buy into a non cup winning seed company? And after watching the last weed nerd, I'd think the only thing most non winning seed companies have going for them is giving away free hash n free weed. Breeders lie genetics don't.

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I think it is fair to say that the majority of the Dank was not his creation in the first place . No point in throwing down at cups with recreations of infamous cuts to be honest and it would be a bit unfit too knowing they were not yours in the first place lol ..

I know more about TGA genetics than most here , perhaps educate yourself more and then you would understand why people want North American genetics verses Euro cup winners my friend . It sells and so does the hype behind it all .. Marketing strategy is another thing that is strong in North America .

Peace .PotSnob



P.S. I like my new signature as its true ! Thanks

hey nevil so mm that outyields big bud stands for mullimby madness or medicine man?

MrEDuck said:

I'll agree that cup wins are a slightly better selection method than throwing a dart, but I don't think it's that much better.

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I'd say it depends where you're throwing the dart.

If you're looking at something like "Attitude" that stocks 400 kinds of beans from 50 different breeders, the chance of you randomly hitting a loser are probably a lot higher than some of the smaller outfits that are a bit choosier about who/what they take on. That's not a knock on the Attitude, by the way, its just a comment on the range of genetic quality that's out there in commercial ceeds.

I really like Esko who's been mentioned in this thread. Another breeder who doesn't look for publicity but breeds dank is Classic Seeds.

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One thing to consider is that entering a cannabis cup is a gigantic pain in the butt.

If you're talking about the Dutch High Times cup (which is the most well known one), you have to jump through the hurdles to enter, grow a lot of top quality weed, then (if you're outside Holland), smuggle a whole bunch of it into the country. This effectively excludes a whole bunch of small breeders from participating.

Many of the established breeders, including ones with prior cup wins (including Mr. Nice, DJ Short, etc), won't enter cups at all. They may think (with some justification) that the cups are rigged, not be on good terms with the cup organizers, or simply don't feel like its worth the hassle.

The point is, in any given contest, cup entrants only represent a very small selection from what's out there.

Jogro said:

I'd say it depends where you're throwing the dart.

If you're looking at something like "Attitude" that stocks 400 kinds of beans from 50 different breeders, the chance of you randomly hitting a loser are probably a lot higher than some of the smaller outfits that are a bit choosier about who/what they take on. That's not a knock on the Attitude, by the way, its just a comment on the range of genetic quality that's out there in commercial ceeds.



One thing to consider is that entering a cannabis cup is a gigantic pain in the butt.

If you're talking about the Dutch High Times cup (which is the most well known one), you have to jump through the hurdles to enter, grow a lot of top quality weed, then (if you're outside Holland), smuggle a whole bunch of it into the country. This effectively excludes a whole bunch of small breeders from participating.

Many of the established breeders, including ones with prior cup wins (including Mr. Nice, DJ Short, etc), won't enter cups at all. They may think (with some justification) that the cups are rigged, not be on good terms with the cup organizers, or simply don't feel like its worth the hassle.

The point is, in any given contest, cup entrants only represent a very small selection from what's out there.

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do you type ceeds because of the irritating hotlink when typing "seeds" this site makes? just curious lol

Yes same reason I call them beans instead!