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So because it doesn't cause permanent physical damage, that makes it alright? Like I said before, torture is torture. The UN and our own government classifies it as torture, a handfull of top officials in the Bush administration hired some lawyers to write up some documents to rearrange the definition of what they wanted 'torture' to mean to create a loophole in the already existing policy. That's illegal and they fully admit to doing it, and Obama is an accessory to the crimes by not appointing a prosecutor.
Wouldn't you consider someone non stop slapping you every 2 seconds for 6 hours, 10 hours, 20 hours torture? Howbout giving you low doses of electricity every few seconds for the same amount of time? Or what about something as simple as tickling, even that can be a form of torture. Torture means the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty. Everything I just listed doesn't cause permanent physical damage...
Yeah, I think it does hurt us, it shows the 'enemy' that they can break our will and defeat what our morals in this country are supposed to be. We're supposed to be the example to the rest of the world what top western society can achieve, by sinking to the level of torture, the terrorists achieve one of their goals, breaking our will. You all talk about how Obama should have stern morals and never submit to any other leaders requests and it only shows weakness, but then it's somehow different when the topic is the nation at large, of which you personally are a part of, and responsible for. Hypocrites much?
That's partly why I think you don't get it, because it's not about looking any certain way to the 'enemy'. It's about actually BEING a certain way in which we conduct ourselves as a nation. We are the freest motherfuckers on the planet for a reason, and one of those reasons is because we know human beings are above torturing eachother, not only for the immoral reasons, but for the realistic reasons and the simple fact that nobody can argue that it is not an effective tool of interrogation. The information obtained through torture is unreliable at best and totally false at worst.
Europe (and the rest of the worlds) opinion matters, you guys really should start considering how important the rest of the world is, not just the United States.
Like I said, it's a little different than in the field... You'd have the luxury of knowing you wouldn't die, 'terrorists' don't.
K, I just asked you. Would you feel comfortable waterboarding someone? Or would you feel like you were torturing them? Think hard about it, put yourself in the interrogators position.
...keep proving Obama's statments right. You sound like the typical American from Kentucky or Tennessee. Your shit smells just as bad as everyone elses buddy.
Well, like I said before, how do you know they've never killed someone while waterboarding them? The Japs used it on American soldiers during WW2 and we executed them, so why was it sooo terrible then, but now that we've used it, it's somehow become some cutesey little easy interrogation technique in some of your minds? Don't be an idiot, the shit you've seen on tv is probably nowhere near what actually goes on behind closed doors in secret prisons in foreign warzones with no laws, no responsibility and no accountabilty at all. It's a dangerous technique that has the potential to kill a person, don't take it lightly till you yourself get waterboarded.
ANYONE BEING TORTURED WILL PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION THE PERSON DOING THE TORTURING IS SEEKING, EVEN IF THEY DO NOT HAVE IT.
Do you understand that? I've said it a few times already, but can you get that? What makes you HAVE TO tell me the truth when I'm torturing you? If I do not know any information about anything beforehand you could tell me anything, how the fuck would I know the difference between the truth and a lie? I would have to believe you based on nothing but your trust. Do you trust all these 'terrorists'?? It's an ineffective tactic.
That most certainly does not mean we've won anything. There's still an insurgency in Iraq.
What have we won? Define the military victory for me, cuz I sure as hell havn't seen it. Was it when Bush declared mission accomplished in 03? Was it when the soldiers draped an American flag over Sadaams statue? When was the surrender? When was the decleration of the end of the conflict? When were the peace treaties signed? Was it when Sadaam was executed? Is that when we won? Or when our national debt went past 10 trillion? Howbout after the 5,000th soldier (not including American contractors) was declared dead? You tell me when you think we won, and exactly what we did win.
... well here are some more facts for him to ignore ... 
