Who's Sick Of Obama Yet?

You all can continue thinking Obama has ill will towards this nation. I don't agree, and an OVERWHELMING majority of this country doesn't either.

But we are the wrong ones.

And don't EVEN try to tell me Obama has not made attempts to work with republicans. He tries, but they take EVERY SINGLE OPPORTUNITY to stand in opposition based solely on the opinions of Rush and Pat Buchannon.

It's a sad day when a talk radio dj and a religious fanatic are the face of your special-interest driven party. At least theres Mark Sandford, Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal to look up to, right?

Please.

TheBrutalTruth said:

You obviously have been drinking Democrat Kool Aid way too long, because supply-side economics is not only accurate, but applies to more than tax breaks. It also applies to tax hikes.

If a company pays more taxes than the business man is going to fire some one, thus who pays the taxes? The person that got fired.

If a company chooses to raise prices for their goods to make up for the losses due to increased taxation, who pays the taxes? Consumers.

If a company chooses to cut its dividends in response to increase in taxation, then once again, it is the person at the bottom that is paying taxes.

Taxes, like Income trickle down, that is they flow from the production source to the consumption point, and those at the consumption point are those that ultimately are screwed by tax increases while benefitting from tax cuts.

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Really, because if the production point is Fortune 500 CEO's, the only trickling down we get is the oil from their $150,000 Porsche or their $4.5 million houses in Miami and the Hamptons.

Jerry Garcia said:

You all can continue thinking Obama has ill will towards this nation. I don't agree, and an OVERWHELMING majority of this country doesn't either.

But we are the wrong ones.

And don't EVEN try to tell me Obama has not made attempts to work with republicans. He tries, but they take EVERY SINGLE OPPORTUNITY to stand in opposition based solely on the opinions of Rush and Pat Buchannon.

It's a sad day when a talk radio dj and a religious fanatic are the face of your special-interest driven party. At least theres Mark Sandford, Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal to look up to, right?

Please.

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Wow, so much for having an intelligent debate. What are you, a politician, or a lawyer, trying to side step uncomfortable questions that would expose your incapability of forming coherent thoughts on any topic?

Wait, let me guess, like Obama, you need a team of ghost writers and a teleprompter in order to avoid sounding like a dolt. Hate to break it to you, but you sound like a dolt anyway.

I've addressed the issues that I have with Obama, and clearly you have nothing to show that would justify supporting is imbecility, so you changed the topic.

I once again exposed your lack of reasoning, so you changed the topic, and started mentioning other names, with out explaining how there is actually anything wrong with them. Of course, I can definitely see how it would be kind of hard to come up with any credible criticism considering the fact that they are not the president, and in the case of Sarah Palin no longer involved in governance of this nation.

If you are so in love with Obama, why don't you come up with some rational reason for supporting him. Oh, wait, there is no rational reason for supporting him, because despite your claims to the contrary his speeches, attitude and ineptitude clearly demonstrate that he is not fit for the office that he holds.

But I'm sure he appreciates your unwillingness to rise from your knees. kiss-ass

1) Where are you facts to back your laundry list of claims against our president? I don't need to respond to each one of those foolish claims because they are totally unfounded. When did he lie about being bipartisan? How can you prove that? And what kind of freaking extremist do you think he is? The democratic kind?

* Continued sycophancy to every nation but the one that he is elected to be the leader of. Continued apologies for events so far in the past that they have no bearing on the here and now.

SOMEONE HAS TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE ATROCITIES THAT HAPPENED IN THIS COUNTRY. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THAT?

* Policies that reek of the disasterous intervention in the economy that at the best can be described as being unAmerican and at worse as being Naziesque.

THIS HAS NO FACTUAL BASIS AND IS INDEED IGNORANT. I DON'T THINK OBAMA PLANS ON EXECUTING 5 MILLION PEOPLE, AND THE FACT YOU EVEN SAID THAT BRINGS YOUR PARTY BACK 20 YEARS. CONGRATS.

2) There is a reason I don't venture into the Politics forum...it inevitably results in personal attacks.

I would have enjoyed continuing this conservation, because I respect the fact that you are permitted to hold your own opinion.

But you have resorted to name calling and insults which are frankly uncalled for. So I'm out.

Is there anybody out there? Can anyone hear me. Obama is a puppet of the new world order. We shouldn't debate Left/right cos we are going to the same place in the end, tyranny. if you cant see that you need to wake up and quit being a sheep! we should have more people like ron paul in government he is his own man and he stands for the people. anybody??

Jerry Garcia said:

1) Where are you facts to back your laundry list of claims against our president? I don't need to respond to each one of those foolish claims because they are totally unfounded. When did he lie about being bipartisan? How can you prove that? And what kind of freaking extremist do you think he is? The democratic kind?

* Continued sycophancy to every nation but the one that he is elected to be the leader of. Continued apologies for events so far in the past that they have no bearing on the here and now.

SOMEONE HAS TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE ATROCITIES THAT HAPPENED IN THIS COUNTRY. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THAT?

* Policies that reek of the disasterous intervention in the economy that at the best can be described as being unAmerican and at worse as being Naziesque.

THIS HAS NO FACTUAL BASIS AND IS INDEED IGNORANT. I DON'T THINK OBAMA PLANS ON EXECUTING 5 MILLION PEOPLE, AND THE FACT YOU EVEN SAID THAT BRINGS YOUR PARTY BACK 20 YEARS. CONGRATS.

2) There is a reason I don't venture into the Politics forum...it inevitably results in personal attacks.

I would have enjoyed continuing this conservation, because I respect the fact that you are permitted to hold your own opinion.

But you have resorted to name calling and insults which are frankly uncalled for. So I'm out.

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Good, don't neglect to take your inability to debate with you.

Dolce Vita said:

Is there anybody out there? Can anyone hear me. Obama is a puppet of the new world order. We shouldn't debate Left/right cos we are going to the same place in the end, tyranny. if you cant see that you need to wake up and quit being a sheep! we should have more people like ron paul in government he is his own man and he stands for the people. anybody??

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FNORD!
ILLUMANATUS!

Jerry Garcia said:

Regulation surrounding who can and cannot receive high-risk loans. The republican credo is always reducing regulation to increase competition within the market...which is bogus. It's like the "trickle-down" effect where you give the rich more money and expect that somehow it will end up in my pocket.

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Its not a free market when the interest rate is controlled. When the demand for houses rose and supply was plentiful the housing prices should have dropped. esp on new houses. Labor was cheaper mi amigo lol. Materials didnt skyrocket in price.

I've read other posts of yours. Your agenda is with republicans. If you dont think both parties are to blame, you're blind.

Jerry Garcia said:

how can you say we are heading to tyranny? Obama has made repeated attempts to bridge both sides of the aisle and made numerous concessions to republicans in an attempt to solve the bigger problems plaguing our once-great nation.

Obama has had 7 months and you're calling him a tyrant? Where the hell do you get your information...fox news?

Republicans wrecked our economy and there is no denying that...who was in control over the last 8 years and let it go to shit...the same doofus who declared "mission accomplished" in Iraq 2500+ days ago.

If republicans could quit feeling bad about having a shitty party with no morals and just work with the president, we could actually make this country something everyone can enjoy.

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There have been no concessions. There has been no debate. There has only been a "I won" mentality and tons of harmful policies rushed through in "emergency" mode. Public Health Care is getting the same treatment and will end up with the same result.

There is no transparency, there is no accountability. There is no balance.

The policies are backward and unworkable....they will burden the US taxpayer for many decades.....that sounds fair to those not born yet....right?

The numbers are horrible, the solutions to the numbers are even worse........

Obama is either incompetent or no friend to the United States. There is no third option.

ya I love you jerry you know that, but you dont deserve health care if you dont pay for it


no body deserves anything except a warm plate of food if they are hungry and only if they cant provide for themselves for a good reason. if you are an able bodied man you deserve nothing but the fruits of your own labor because I am not giving you a piece of mine

I give away things to only people who deserve it and specially when they never ask for help.

I lose all respect for people who feel they are entitled to smothing simply because they are american, I would rather my tax dollars go to feed starving children in other nations than go to you so you can sit at home and watch your cable tv type on your internet and get your teeth fixed on my dime whill real poor men women and children are starving to death. What about what they deserve? i bet you could afford your own health care if you got rid of all your percs I.E. Tv cable internet, air conditioning, car and all that. but instead you buy all these luxuries and expect other people to pay for your Necessities. Its obvious its not on your list of priorites

nobody cares nothing but for themselves I submit there are many other more deserving causes than you.

Over & Out

The fact is the majority of the American ppl are very happy with their medical care.

A large segment of the ppl who represent the uninsured simply CHOOSE not to have insurance, thus diluting the Obama message further.

Add to that the fact by LAW, even though you may not be insured, you will not be denied treatment for a medical condition.

Where's the HUGE problem I simply ask? The Obama admin is making it up.....

CrackerJax said:

A large segment of the ppl who represent the uninsured simply CHOOSE not to have insurance, thus diluting the Obama message further.

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I cannot afford health insurance, so I am choosing not to have it? Yeah, right.

You are a very small percentage of the population. Frankly, I don't know how you cannot afford it. If you are in poverty, it is simply GIVEN to you. If you are above poverty, then go get it.

I myself, even though I could probably afford any premiums, choose not to have it. I am in good shape and don't have any health issues, so why have it? In the end I simply pay as I go.....it's no crisis.

Look, I see what you all are saying...you have health insurance, either because your job pays for it or you can afford to pay current private insurance premiums.

I'm not some leach on society who's looking for someone to just give me stuff...please. I'm a student earning a master's degree who pays for everything my GOD DAMN SELF, with the help of loans I'll eventually have to repay. With my degree, I should be able to find a nice job that has health insurance and makes enough where I can begin to repay the debt I am in from graduate school.

But what do I do until then? What do I do when my parents health insurance stopped covering me at 21? Universities offer health insurance plans, but they are no less expensive than the cheapest private plans and offer far worse coverage.

Example. A girl in my program recently had an emergency appendectomy. She had university-sponsored health insurance. They agreed to pay $1,500 of the $25,000 bill. Where the hell is she supposed to come up with $23,000? Isn't that why she had insurance?

There are lots of people in this country who happen to be in a tough position and simply cannot afford current health care rates. I am one of them.

I am no freeloader. But I deserve affordable health care.

And you all seem to forget that whatever the government option ends up being, YOU'LL STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

You fucking liberal idoit, you and your kind are the reason our country and world is so screws up with you pushing your liberal ideas on everything that can be voted on. Obama is out to destroy our country as fast as he can. He has never run a lemonade stand yet he spouts out all these speaches like he has done everything. Well you people voted for a change and it looks like all we will have left is some change in our pockets. 84% OF PEOPLE WHO WERE POLLED BY UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON DIDN'T WANT A HEALTH CARE SYSTEM AT THE EXSPENSE OF HIGHR TAXES....AND FUCK OBAMA




No seriously, its kinda fucked up how far out there some of the haters are. Im all for "the loyal opposition" but there is nothing loyal about the obama haters. I swear they want the country to fail just so they can say, "I told ya so!"[/QUOTE]

Jerry Garcia said:

I cannot afford health insurance, so I am choosing not to have it? Yeah, right.

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bet you could afford it if you canceled your internet cable air conditioning and got rid of your car. its not our fault you dont have your priorities straight

the truth is you dont want to pay for your own health insurance


any guess what ????


Niether do I, but you seem real excited about spending other peoples money on it while you waste your money on Non-necessities.

CrackerJax said:

You are a very small percentage of the population. Frankly, I don't know how you cannot afford it. If you are in poverty, it is simply GIVEN to you. If you are above poverty, then go get it.

I myself, even though I could probably afford any premiums, choose not to have it. I am in good shape and don't have any health issues, so why have it? In the end I simply pay as I go.....it's no crisis.

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I'm in good enough shape not to worry too, but the problem is you never know when something catastrophic will happen...slip on some steps and crack your head open...or when some disease that could have been detected with regular health screenings goes unnoticed for years because you haven't had those regular screenings.

Mcgician said:

+1. The most underqualified President, hell, even Senator we've ever had, by far! Without the teleprompter who knows where he'd be!!!!!!!!! Pathetic.


As far as him being a right winger in disguise though.....that's total bullshit.

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AMEN!!! I couldn't agree more.

Big P said:

bet you could afford it if you canceled your internet cable air conditioning and got rid of your car. its not our fault you dont have your priorities straight

the truth is you dont want to pay for your own health insurance


any guess what ????


Niether do I, but you seem real excited about spending other peoples money on it while you waste your money on Non-necessities.

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I don't have cable. I have internet because I'm a student and it is a necessity. I could sell my car, but its not worth dick anyways.

I have said I don't want free insurance, just something that is affordable.

If you take the profit-based insurance company out of the equation and insert the government, the price then becomes something I can manage. The government profits by my being a healthy, tax-paying member of society.

I guess it comes down to the personal risk you are willing to accept. Our forefathers, and mothers accepted it 100% for their entire lives. We got here as a species without insurance.
If you feel that a catastrophe health wise (cracking your head open) is something worrisome to you, then just buy a single coverage for high hospital bills. They are not that expensive, and when you need some SERIOUS help, it will be there.

If you are young, you don't need insurance, you just don't. I can't say that for everybody of course, but excepting the chronically ill, it's true.

Let's say an insurance policy would cost you 100 per week. Heck, let's make it 75. That's 300 per month. Now if you are young, put that 300/ month into an investment account and pay it as if you had insurance. Statistically speaking, by the time something serious happens to you, you will have a very very fat account from which to draw from. Again, no need for insurance.