which trainining method for beginner?

bankheadstoner said:

I did LST my first grow and when I tell you I regret doing it I swear I regretted LST training . Yes the plants grow bigger but they also grow much slower and I mean very slow. I did real lst training and everytime I saw a top I'll tie it down and the plants grew huge . But I had to veg about 3months from seed then flowered them just to get my plants to a good height because they was so wide . Another downside is most of those tops don't grow shit on them really /just a little bud cola very small .so my second grow I thought about lst or just topping over and over and I just went with topping because my lst grow took over 5months total. So I topped my plants multiple times and of course they grow taller/faster and I had the same amout of tops /15-25 and they was bigger tops than the lst and the colas turned out bigger and I finished in 3and a half months with the same yeild basically . So def for a new grower a simple topping is what I'll recommend and maybe do lst down the line because not only does it take up alot of time but things can also go wrong in a long period of time and a new grower should focus on a successful finish and not yeilds. I see you started lst and cut your original height in half almost but after plant starts gaining height again just top her a few times and put her in flower in 4/5weeks. The hype is real. Those YouTube videos you see those ppl lie about everything

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StrawberryYields said:

Can I ask what you used for nutrients?

It taking longer to grow a plant with LST sort of makes sense, thanks for the heads up. I thought that spending longer to get a better yield would be good practice. Tbh I harvested the seeds I'm using myself and I have no idea if they're feminized or not. I figured I'd do my experimenting with these free, random seeds and do my best at keeping them alive. If this goes well, I was going to start looking into buying more expensive equipment and guaranteed feminized seeds.

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PuffinPine said:

Well the flip side of vegging longer could lead to higher potency. I read that if you let it veg for at least 8 weeks it would be more matured and make more potent buds.

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StrawberryYields said:

Damn I hadn't heard of that! That's pretty cool - also makes sense haha.

Rn I'm using Fox Farm Ocean Forest medium with Grow Big for fertilizer. I just picked up some Big Bloom today and I'm planning to introduce that soon. My plant is 8 weeks now, but due to the stunting it's probably realistically around the 6-7 week range. I don't know how to introduce a second fertilizer, my guess would be to just alternate which one I use. Do you know of any good guides to nutrient supplimenting?

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StrawberryYields said:

Can I ask what you used for nutrients?

It taking longer to grow a plant with LST sort of makes sense, thanks for the heads up. I thought that spending longer to get a better yield would be good practice. Tbh I harvested the seeds I'm using myself and I have no idea if they're feminized or not. I figured I'd do my experimenting with these free, random seeds and do my best at keeping them alive. If this goes well, I was going to start looking into buying more expensive equipment and guaranteed feminized seeds.

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bankheadstoner said:

I use Humbolt secret nutrients with golden tree and flower stacker but fox farm is ok but I recommend using it with golden tree. But introducing big bloom isn't a problem longs you doing water water water feed you can just add it to your nutrient schedule because grow big and big bloom suppose to be used together but don't forget to buy golden tree it cost 9$ and is a all in one additive that works great. And if you not doing water water water feed start asap to prevent problems new growers have . I don't use feminized seeds because alot of seedbanks are crossing hermaphroditic strains and it only takes alittle bit of stress to turn a feminized plant hermie . So i buy regular seeds and use the seed sexing method to remove male seeds and I grow all the seeds that look female. Although the method isn't 100% accurate it is about 80% accurate I plant 30 seeds that has volcano shape on the seed and get 25 females . And regular seeds never turn into a hermaphrodite. Also I dont agree with you not investing until your next grow because I believe if you not going to do this right then don't do it at all . If you don't invest in growing it will show .trust me I tried not to buy a pH meter, temp monitor , grow tent , etc etc and it's almost impossible if you don't know what you doing good luck
P.S flush your plants ASAP if growth stunted it will give you a fresh start

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PuffinPine said:

i agree with you on not skimping on anything. When i grew my first one i just used cfls screwed into actual table lamps in a sterilite container in a small bathroom with a fan oscillating. It was whack AF. I got a good amount of nugs but there was zero potency. Everybody kept telling me to buy this or do that and i didnt listen. I figure since i got it to flower and the nugs were dense so i considered it a success. Until i actually smoked it. I learned that weed isnt hard to grow but good weed is.

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PuffinPine said:

well i plan on buying a scrog net from amazon. I found one that was 2x2 for my tent size. I plan on keeping it 11 inches from medium. Another foot for the top and keep lights about a foot away. Im going to buy 1 more light and some s-hooks and chains to raise and lower lights. My tent environment seems perfect. For now anyway. temp is 80 and rh is just under 60. The tents in my garage. I will also be using the FF trio when its time and distilled water.

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coreywebster said:

@PuffinPine Make sure you get a net fit for the purpose, there are lots of so called scrog nets available that are just support nets.

The way I see your set up you have no other choice but to scrog and scrog properly.
4 feet - 1 foot for pot - 1 foot to net , leaves you 2 feet for canopy and light and you cant have your light touching your tent roof.

I would go with a bigger cloth pot rolled down to save height, so you have a real wide but shallower root mass.
Also shave a few inch off between pot and net, your going to be tight for space.

And fuck the golden tree and all the other bullshit products. Start with a base nutrient that provides everything you need and if something convinces you to get all fancy after a few harvests then you have something to compare to.

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coreywebster said:

@PuffinPine Make sure you get a net fit for the purpose, there are lots of so called scrog nets available that are just support nets.

The way I see your set up you have no other choice but to scrog and scrog properly.
4 feet - 1 foot for pot - 1 foot to net , leaves you 2 feet for canopy and light and you cant have your light touching your tent roof.

I would go with a bigger cloth pot rolled down to save height, so you have a real wide but shallower root mass.
Also shave a few inch off between pot and net, your going to be tight for space.

And fuck the golden tree and all the other bullshit products. Start with a base nutrient that provides everything you need and if something convinces you to get all fancy after a few harvests then you have something to compare to.

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bankheadstoner said:

Dont forget the golden tree

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bankheadstoner said:

I use Humbolt secret nutrients with golden tree and flower stacker but fox farm is ok but I recommend using it with golden tree. But introducing big bloom isn't a problem longs you doing water water water feed you can just add it to your nutrient schedule because grow big and big bloom suppose to be used together but don't forget to buy golden tree it cost 9$ and is a all in one additive that works great. And if you not doing water water water feed start asap to prevent problems new growers have . I don't use feminized seeds because alot of seedbanks are crossing hermaphroditic strains and it only takes alittle bit of stress to turn a feminized plant hermie . So i buy regular seeds and use the seed sexing method to remove male seeds and I grow all the seeds that look female. Although the method isn't 100% accurate it is about 80% accurate I plant 30 seeds that has volcano shape on the seed and get 25 females . And regular seeds never turn into a hermaphrodite. Also I dont agree with you not investing until your next grow because I believe if you not going to do this right then don't do it at all . If you don't invest in growing it will show .trust me I tried not to buy a pH meter, temp monitor , grow tent , etc etc and it's almost impossible if you don't know what you doing good luck
P.S flush your plants ASAP if growth stunted it will give you a fresh start

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StrawberryYields said:

The more research I do the less intimidating a "full set up" costs. A good quality LED light just large enough for personal use looks like it'll only be somewhere in the $200 range. Tents I'm seeing as low as 40-50.

Any sort of recommendations for light brands or tent sizes? Looking at the 'closet' sized ones now and they seem pretty good. I'm seeing a lot of good reviews for Viparspectra. My issue was that every time I went into a store some dude would be trying to sell me a $600 ballast and $400 hood. Should have just checked online hahaha

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GroErr said:

1 top or FIM and some LST is a good way to get started, neither are difficult or prone to screw ups. imo getting started you may want to just grow out a few plants and get the feel for it. You'll have a lot of new things going on and maintaining your environment alone can be a challenge.

The best yield I've gotten in my 2x2x4' tent I now use for breeding was flipping clones a week after up-potting them to 1gal pots. They were just extra clones I had nothing else to do with so flipped 6 of them and grabbed a little over 6 zips dry.

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PuffinPine said:

so wider pot, wider bushier plant? thanks for those tips. Those cloth pots at lowes?

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