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Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Hey Dum-Dum,
The 47% are a subset of the SSDI claims. Not all 47% can claim SSDI since not all work. Some of the rich, above middle class, claim SSDI too. But since you don't work, I don't expect you to know that. You've always been too easy.
 
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althor

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mccumcumber said:
It is true that many abuse the welfare system, which is too bad because some people actually do benefit from it.

I met a person who worked at a company that had some sort of deal where they would hire a person living in a low income area and the government would pay for their salary for the first year to see if it worked out. Apparently this guy was an amazing worker for the first three months or so, but then all of sudden he had a week of no call no show. When he finally came back he explained that his car had been stolen and that he had been working with the police to get it back. It didn't explain the no call, but it definitely put something into perspective for the man. He ended up moving to a different neighborhood and was able to maintain a job with no mishaps, and is now off of welfare. Pretty uplifting story for welfare.

Unfortunately there is probably an equal amount of abuse stories that go along with these uplifting ones. The question remains, is it worth it? I know if I was in the shits stuck in a ghetto I would appreciate any help I could to get out and try my hardest not to go back. I guess some people are just comfortable in the ghetto, which is really what the problem is.
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I dont care what his excuse was, if he went a week without atleast calling he would be fired.
I fired an employee who was in jail for a week for the exact same thing. I asked him, your wife didnt know you were in jail and couldnt call to let me know? Bye.
 
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althor

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HeartlandHank said:
Yeah , you were on in the discussion.
Why is it that you feel that money spent to help those living in poverty needs to result in less poverty in the future. I don't see it like that. I see it as it is making sure that we do not have people starve to death.

I think that fixing the problem of poverty is something that is solved, or improved, in other ways.... education is a huge part of it... getting america back to being the leaders in new technology.

I don't think that giving money to families who need food, clothing and to pay utilities is going to "fix" the poverty situation. I think it just helps keep people from starving, ending up on the street, etc.....

Getting more people out of poverty is about seeing that they have marketable skills AND that there are jobs for the skills.. Education for our youngest is key. Trying to make all kids learn in the same way is a part of the problem.



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There will never be a "cure" for poverty. Unless we all turn into exact copy robots, there will always be those who will work harder, sacrifice more, and actually plan for their future. At the same time, there will always be those who will do the absolute minimum.

This might be hard for a lot of people on this site to understand, but Ill be damned if I go out and work my ass off to pay my bills so I can also have my money stripped away from me to give to the minimalist. Fuck em. If you dont work, you dont eat. Good riddance lazy asses.
 
HeartlandHank

HeartlandHank

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NoDrama said:
Its funny, we spend thousands of times more money on social welfare programs than we did in 1960. Unfortunately we have the same amount of people still living in poverty. Maybe the benefits don't actually help in the long run?
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HeartlandHank said:
Why is it that you feel that money spent to help those living in poverty needs to result in less poverty in the future. I don't see it like that. I see it as it is making sure that we do not have people starve to death.

I don't think that giving money to families who need food, clothing and to pay utilities is going to "fix" poverty. I think it just helps keep people from starving, ending up on the street, etc.....

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NoDrama said:
I never made that argument anywhere, so your reply is meaningless.

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I'm confused I guess. ? What else could your first quote above be getting at?
 
Red1966

Red1966

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HeartlandHank said:
I think if the resources were there to be able to execute such a thing.... in the case of a home with children and parents who are not spending much of the money on feeding their children and keeping them clothed and stocked on school supplies and such... it might be a good idea to give the money to the oldest child and give him some sort of education/advising on budgeting his money. I'm not riled up about my tax dollars being spent on such things... but with the limited amount of funds available to go to government assistance for families it should be kept as efficient as possible. From a cost/benefit analysis though, it might cost less money to do less investigative work into who "needs" and who "abuses" and just call the money sent to the abusers "the cost of doing business". I wonder how much would be saved or lost picking out and cutting down the abusers, while still making sure the money went to those in need.
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Sadly, government "management" of entitlement funds costs us a large percentage. Some costs are unavoidable, but the government's cut is too large. Government does poorly at job creation and training programs, too. A CETA program operated near my place of employment was only able to employ 5% of the trainees they produced. Of the 5%, only 10% were employed a year later. The trainees were welfare recipients who were required to undergo job training or face reduction/loss of benefits. They were paid extra to attend the training. Since they could return to the welfare system without penalty, most did. The recent "green jobs" program cost us, what $250,000 a job? And those jobs have largely disappeared. I would feel a lot better about paying taxes if they were used more efficiently.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Canna Sylvan said:
Hey Dum-Dum,
The 47% are a subset of the SSDI claims. Not all 47% can claim SSDI since not all work. Some of the rich, above middle class, claim SSDI too. But since you don't work, I don't expect you to know that. You've always been too easy.
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it's more accurate to say that SSDI claims are a subset of the 47%, manic wabbit.

but i am forgetting that you have romney stockholm syndrome, and you fellate willard despite the fact that he thinks you're a piece of shit, similar to how i think you're a piece of shit, but just for different reasons.

 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Red1966 said:
Sadly, government "management" of entitlement funds costs us a large percentage. Some costs are unavoidable, but the government's cut is too large. Government does poorly at job creation and training programs, too. A CETA program operated near my place of employment was only able to employ 5% of the trainees they produced. Of the 5%, only 10% were employed a year later. The trainees were welfare recipients who were required to undergo job training or face reduction/loss of benefits. They were paid extra to attend the training. Since they could return to the welfare system without penalty, most did. The recent "green jobs" program cost us, what $250,000 a job? And those jobs have largely disappeared. I would feel a lot better about paying taxes if they were used more efficiently.
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lol.

medicare is more efficiently administered than any private insurance. are you forgetting profits, stormfront red?

and the cost per job you mouth farted was for stimulus jobs overall, not green jobs. not only do you get to put someone to work for years for that cost, but you also get to keep the infrastructure improvement (let's not forget all the materials purchased in that number, either, thus stimulating the economy further).

the rest of your post is anecdotal and dubious at best. we all know who you're talking about when you talk about welfare recipients, you've "lived among them".
 
nitro harley

nitro harley

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Not all free stuff is free......I got divorced back in 1982, and my ex wife signed up for welfare, she got housing and a monthly check......Then the state of oregon billed me for every dallor that they gave her until she got off of welfare........I paid it...luckily it was only for a few months......I never get free stuff.............nitro..
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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nitro harley said:
Not all free stuff is free......I got divorced back in 1982, and my ex wife signed up for welfare, she got housing and a monthly check......Then the state of oregon billed me for every dallor that they gave her until she got off of welfare........I paid it...luckily it was only for a few months......I never get free stuff.............nitro..
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"i quote dick morris like he's god and i never get free stuff!" - republicans

i guarantee that you have benefited from government free stuff along the line somewhere and that you were not born in a log cabin that you built yourself.

it's time for this false republican meme to die already. you guys are not living in reality.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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HeartlandHank said:
Yeah , you were on in the discussion.
Why is it that you feel that money spent to help those living in poverty needs to result in less poverty in the future. I don't see it like that. I see it as it is making sure that we do not have people starve to death.

I think that fixing the problem of poverty is something that is solved, or improved, in other ways.... education is a huge part of it... getting america back to being the leaders in new technology.

I don't think that giving money to families who need food, clothing and to pay utilities is going to "fix" the poverty situation. I think it just helps keep people from starving, ending up on the street, etc.....

Getting more people out of poverty is about seeing that they have marketable skills AND that there are jobs for the skills.. Education for our youngest is key. Trying to make all kids learn in the same way is a part of the problem.



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Exactly! there will always be abusers and trying to ferret them out may be worthwhile in the long run, but punishing those really in need would be an abuse of the system. There are a certain percentage of people that just take advantage of any situation, I used to call them bullies. The Bullies just grow up and become abusers and losers, there should be some stiff penalties for them when caught. I would recommend stiff community service sentences. Make them work for the ones that are really hurting, carry groceries, do housework for them, etc.
 
nitro harley

nitro harley

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UncleBuck said:
"i quote dick morris like he's god and i never get free stuff!" - republicans

i guarantee that you have benefited from government free stuff along the line somewhere and that you were not born in a log cabin that you built yourself.

it's time for this false republican meme to die already. you guys are not living in reality.
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I am trying to think of something free.....The only thing I can think of is free speech........and that was not free for some.......what is reality?.....you need to start adding....IMO.. to the end of your post....because your getting pretty deep into your feelings....IMO.............nitro..
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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nitro harley said:
I am trying to think of something free.....The only thing I can think of is free speech........and that was not free for some.......what is reality?.....you need to start adding....IMO.. to the end of your post....because your getting pretty deep into your feelings....IMO.............nitro..
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no, it's not my opinion that you have benefited from "free stuff" from the government.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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nitro harley said:
Great...now were on the same page....a fact is not an opinion..................and the fact is I don't get free stuff..........nitro..
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you have at some point though, which was my assertion.

hell, i bet you even get free stuff now and don't/won't acknowledge such.
 
nitro harley

nitro harley

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londonfog said:
How much you make a year big guy ???
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what do I make in a year?......some times nothing, with a chance of doing well...it's a gamble....I threw everything I had into a business thirty four years ago.....and when I do well my employee's do well......I share the good times with my crew when it is good........and I can tell you I am great full..................nitro
 
nitro harley

nitro harley

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UncleBuck said:
were you born in a log cabin you built yourself then? is that what i'm to believe?
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I was born not far from where you are at.....A hop skip and a jump.......Is the log cabin reference something I missed?.....maybe you can fill me in.........nitro..
 
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