Where Are The Pure Sativa Strains At?!

kingcapo123 said:

there is demand there everyone wants a sativa high thats easy to grow and finishs quick ! ................................. jack heaer , super silver haze, skunk 1 and a few others are the best attempts at this !!

but when were talkin about the best clear sativa highs ................................ there not gunna come easy or quick imho

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but the thing everyone seems to forget about is that you don't HAVE to cross sativas with indica to make them flower faster or grow shorter...


climatization + selective breeding outdoors can EASILY achieve this in 10-20 years.... just sayin, it may not be quick, but it IS possible... there just isn't serious breeders trying it, and if they are, they are enjoying it among themselves and their friends....

What about Barney's Acapulco Gold? The high on that is like a rocket ship.. I speak from experience

True. But even with the climatization and selective breeding, you will only get a manipulated version of a sativa strain. The true genetics of the Sativa will always and forever remain in South East Asia.

GreenRedneck said:

True. But even with the climatization and selective breeding, you will only get a manipulated version of a sativa strain. The true genetics of the Sativa will always and forever remain in South East Asia.

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manipulated but still pure... if it successfully climatized the high might be SLIGHTLY different, but I assure you the purity of the sativa high would still be retained... trippy, clear, hallucinogenic, and other effects could easily be retained, I see no good reason why not.

billcollector99 said:

What about Barney's Acapulco Gold? The high on that is like a rocket ship.. I speak from experience

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interesting, are the seeds still available?? sounds good...


edit: looks like barneys only supplies the fem versions and shit... this is lame . I will not grow feminized strains.

poplars said:

interesting, are the seeds still available?? sounds good...


edit: looks like barneys only supplies the fem versions and shit... this is lame . I will not grow feminized strains.

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why not?...

billcollector99 said:

why not?...

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because I'm a breeder, not a grower who's too lazy to cull out their own males.. I want to breed whatever sativa I buy. I feel that feminizing is essentially going against nature, there is no reason why males shouldn't exist. I don't even want to bother growing feminized genetics because of the potential complications with breeding a strain that's only source of male flowers has been a chemical inducing... I'm good on that. for ethical and breeding reasons.

There's a local around my way that grows sativas, he's been growing the same plant for near 30 years... most clear headed high I have ever had was half a joint of it, no real smell to speak of and only had a mild taste of marijuana... not an overly strong variety mind you, I guess it does him well enough tho if he's been growing it so long. I had so much fun on that high tho, it did not hit my body at all, just picked me up and made me really happy for about an hour or so... next time I get the chance I'm gonna see if I can get some seeds from him so I can grow it with my Mozambique Poison and see how they compare...

this is a feminized seed, but check this out.. i stumbled on this a few days ago, and it looks sold out already. anyway, is this an old school all sativa? im pretty intrigued by how the buds grow and look

poplars said:

because I'm a breeder, not a grower who's too lazy to cull out their own males.. I want to breed whatever sativa I buy. I feel that feminizing is essentially going against nature, there is no reason why males shouldn't exist. I don't even want to bother growing feminized genetics because of the potential complications with breeding a strain that's only source of male flowers has been a chemical inducing... I'm good on that. for ethical and breeding reasons.

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There are ways to make feminized seeds without chemicals, you can still breed with them, and if there wasnt fem seeds half of these clone only strains would still be clone only...

Nirvana has ther hawaii maui waui on sale right now you guys. ive smoked the nirvana version of this stuff twice from two different growers. it had an unmatchable rare taste each time. something u know only comes from a special sativa. it wasnt the strongest ever, but the high was very sharp both times. the second one had a lot of crystals too, made it look like a different strain.

btw if it helps anyone.... the strongest potency wise sativas ive smoked: super silver haze/ super lemon haze. very similar effects. more sativa than i expected on both. and for nirvana i was suprised to find that raspberry cough had me cracking up hysterically. im a very heavy smoker and that stuff really sat me back. it was a big time sativa, not pure tho. it certainly would be worth checking into tho. it was more of a sativa high than a few others that were supposed to be pure sativas.

kali mist is excellent

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c99, apollo 11 etc etc ................. but there not real sativa highs

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WHAT?!!! C99. at least joey weed's version smokes just like kali mist! they're BOTH energetic & euphoric strains whose biggest differences are merely their flowering times and flavors. i'd much rather grow C99 than kali mist, ESPECIALLY now that it's former delicious crush red pepper has been corrupted by fruity and reduced to spicy. YAWN! there's too much fruit out there already. original KM was one of my favorite flavors.

i swear y'all keep putting words in my mouth without listening to what i'm saying at all. it would be NICE to have something better than HxS, but it's a practical indoor strain and haze skunk kicks much ass & makes ME very very content. i'll try to find better and think i can. it's RIDICULOUS in the extreme to say that the first trippy strain i've tried is the best in the world that can be done indoors. absolutely ridiculous! as much of a rep as TGA has for selecting superior breeders, i could see him making something a few points higher. this isn't a be all end all mission for me anymore. i totally have 3 strains i love already that are just fine with me and want to have fun looking for better. had i not gotten ZERO out of THREE attempts to grow IBLs, i'd still be chasing them, but they're too much of an improbable dream FOR ME.

one last time, when i have the ability to, i WILL give them another try and get some more full moons until i hear that someone has some vietnamese, cambodian or malawi gold etc. that isn't total BS like vancouver island, delta 9 & seedsman. i don't like gambling. i'll stick to what works and am GRATEFUL that haze skunk, super cali haze & 8 miles high all do. maybe they're not good enough FOR YOU, but i love 'em all. trying to find something better is just a fun hobby. i believe it can be done. i bet a nickel that sannies' killing fields probably is better, but i don't want a part in THAT one.

i have my priorities, you have yours. do what makes you happy, and don't worry about what makes ME happy. it's like i'm talking to a bunch of brick walls here. yes, i know IF you could even FIND an IBL that isn't BS, it will be better than any corrupted hybrid. i've been reading up on and chasing IBLs since they vanished around 1987, so don't insult my intelligence like i don't know the difference, OK? i bet ace seeds' stuff really is worth the effort. i'm not arguing that it isn't! it's just not worth it to me when haze skunk is more than good enough and anything better i find is just a happy bonus.

i'm just not ready to give my entire room up to just a couple plants that might end up being no shows, males or even hermies and getting NOTHING for my efforts a FOURTH time. i'll stick with what i know works and that's good enough for me.

i don't know where you get that C99 is stoney either. that's a crock & a half! skunk #1 & blueberry? yeah, those are stony, but C99 is TOO energetic to even sit still on, at least to me and i DESPISE even a little stone. it's not my favorite smoke because it's clear headed & racy, but it's a really good strain for working IBLs into something better than afghani ruined gear like all the crap on the market.

IBLs have given ME nothing but trouble with no actual bud to smoke all 3 times i tried them. fool me 3 times... you know where i'm going with that.

I feel that feminizing is essentially going against nature, there is no reason why males shouldn't exist.

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it's called planned obsolescence. offering your "one of a kind" strain only in feminized form assures that you'll have the market cornered and that no one can reproduce it in pure form. if you get regulars of anything, you never need to buy it a second time AND with some selective breeding, you can even improve on it, but with fems, you're assured that your gear will have to be polluted by another strain to be able to back cross AND that whoever tries to do it will have to contend with potential hermie issues too. i don't like fems either, but in the case of super cali haze, that's the ONLY way i know to get true grape pheno haze indoors with a reasonable flowering time. i WISH is were available as a reg.

hazey grapes said:

butWHAT?!!! C99. at least joey weed's version smokes just like kali mist! they're BOTH energetic & euphoric strains whose biggest differences are merely their flowering times and flavors. i'd much rather grow C99 than kali mist, ESPECIALLY now that it's former delicious crush red pepper has been corrupted by fruity and reduced to spicy. YAWN! there's too much fruit out there already. original KM was one of my favorite flavors.

i swear y'all keep putting words in my mouth without listening to what i'm saying at all. it would be NICE to have something better than HxS, but it's a practical indoor strain and haze skunk kicks much ass & makes ME very very content. i'll try to find better and think i can. it's RIDICULOUS in the extreme to say that the first trippy strain i've tried is the best in the world that can be done indoors. absolutely ridiculous! as much of a rep as TGA has for selecting superior breeders, i could see him making something a few points higher. this isn't a be all end all mission for me anymore. i totally have 3 strains i love already that are just fine with me and want to have fun looking for better. had i not gotten ZERO out of THREE attempts to grow IBLs, i'd still be chasing them, but they're too much of an improbable dream FOR ME.

one last time, when i have the ability to, i WILL give them another try and get some more full moons until i hear that someone has some vietnamese, cambodian or malawi gold etc. that isn't total BS like vancouver island, delta 9 & seedsman. i don't like gambling. i'll stick to what works and am GRATEFUL that haze skunk, super cali haze & 8 miles high all do. maybe they're not good enough FOR YOU, but i love 'em all. trying to find something better is just a fun hobby. i believe it can be done. i bet a nickel that sannies' killing fields probably is better, but i don't want a part in THAT one.

i have my priorities, you have yours. do what makes you happy, and don't worry about what makes ME happy. it's like i'm talking to a bunch of brick walls here. yes, i know IF you could even FIND an IBL that isn't BS, it will be better than any corrupted hybrid. i've been reading up on and chasing IBLs since they vanished around 1987, so don't insult my intelligence like i don't know the difference, OK? i bet ace seeds' stuff really is worth the effort. i'm not arguing that it isn't! it's just not worth it to me when haze skunk is more than good enough and anything better i find is just a happy bonus.

i'm just not ready to give my entire room up to just a couple plants that might end up being no shows, males or even hermies and getting NOTHING for my efforts a FOURTH time. i'll stick with what i know works and that's good enough for me.

i don't know where you get that C99 is stoney either. that's a crock & a half! skunk #1 & blueberry? yeah, those are stony, but C99 is TOO energetic to even sit still on, at least to me and i DESPISE even a little stone. it's not my favorite smoke because it's clear headed & racy, but it's a really good strain for working IBLs into something better than afghani ruined gear like all the crap on the market.

IBLs have given ME nothing but trouble with no actual bud to smoke all 3 times i tried them. fool me 3 times... you know where i'm going with that.

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why have you got a fixation with IBL you discribed aces strains as IBL ...................... none of them are ibl's ................. there hybrids mostly pure sativa hybrids !

kali mist and c99 are not the same high at all ..................... with all dew respect your just totaly wrong !

and c99 is exellent to, but isnt a real sativa high !! how many 100 % sativas have you smoked ?

not skunk haze !! or skunk nl haze !!

100% sativa ? or even a 75% ?

have you smoked a pure haze ?

and maybe you havein zero luck with 3 'IBL' is down to your own incompetence !!

for me, IBL = pure sativa because i can't stand the label sativa & hybrid = polluted by indicrap.

you must have smoked a different C99 than joey weed's. true, i didn't do a side by side comparison between that & KM, but the first thing that came to mind was "this is just like kali mist!" when the buzz hit me. maybe it's just my particular biochemistry.

skunk x NL x haze & NL haze sound totally like steps in the wrong direction to me as NL#5 is almost pure indica, haze skunk is something like 87.5% sativa and smokes like it where skunk #1 smokes more like 75% indica than sativa to me.

have i ever smoked pure haze? unless i was lied to, yes! i was gifted half a gram of grape pheno haze and it was virtually identical to super cali haze. maybe it really WAS super cali, but my SCH was stickier for sure. both are great euphoric & motivational buzzes, but neither lived up to haze's trippy rep while haze skunk was both more potent AND more trippy than either.

i don't have the benefit of sampling a few dozen hazes etc. like those that have been to canada, amsterdam or even a dispensary. i've smoked less than a dozen sativas & doms if you take away all of the different mexican bricks i've had back when those were still around.

you can rag all you want on haze skunk, super cali haze, 8 miles high & even C99, but all four of those get me nothing but high... no couchlock in any of them except for the hints of lead eye in haze skunk that have nothing to do with actual energy levels. all 4 put a big smile on my face, and THAT is what smoking is all about. as much as i hate cars, the best analogy i can think of is calling IBLs uppity mechanical failing ferraris. sure, they're wicked fast & will dust a honda civic (can't think of any sportier models), but if you want something that's going to be reliable & efficient, the honda is better all around.

nothing at all to show for three out of three attempts to grow IBLs doesn't sit well with me at all, but losing 5-10 pounds, quitting drinking a 6 pack of tall ones a night and having a shitload of fun on haze skunk? total no brainer win win win.

if someone wanted to SELL ME some IBL, that's a totally different story... i'd be willing to offer top dollar for that. i was so freakin' stoked when i was gifted a gram of kali mist (NOT my favorite smoking strain at all... way too racy & clear headed, but a blast for activities ONLY) that i begged and pleaded to buy a quarter and gave up bidding at $120 for an eigth. i don't really like HAVING to DIY to get high. but if i don't, no one else is going to get me there that i can find in over 25 years of looking short of asking everyone i meet where the good stuff is hiding. LOL

hey im not raggin on them !! there some of the best smokes avilaible! but there all basicly from the same source !! haze, skunk, nl .................................. sativa is more than just haze ! or haze/skunk ! or haze skunk nl

there a hole world of differnt smokes out there have to widen our horizons i think ! ....................... african strains might be a good start for you to look into !! some specials things outa africa totaly differnt to other sativa s and there very hardy !!!

malawi gold was at the top of my shopping list a couple years ago. i kept waiting and waiting for it to come back in stock at afropips not knowing he had passed away until about half a year later. if you know any way i could get my own island at the equator, let me know and i'll grow every IBL i can get my hands on! LOL i'd even stealth them in my back yard here if only i had one.

once i have some full jars, i'm going to look into scrogging. 400w each of halide & sodium ought to be enough to get some results when i'm able to get serious and try to tackle them for real. my first priority though is to get back to smoking again as fast as possible and then to not run out again quickly like i did with my half dozen C99s, though my yield there was low as i started EVERYTHING flowering at just the 3rd leafset. i think i got that figure back from the early days when sea of green was all the rage. now i know better and will do extra vegging before flowering.

i'm still a beginner at growing with only 2 actual harvests under my belt. i need to hone my skills a little & get more practice.

hazey grapes said:

it's called planned obsolescence. offering your "one of a kind" strain only in feminized form assures that you'll have the market cornered and that no one can reproduce it in pure form. if you get regulars of anything, you never need to buy it a second time AND with some selective breeding, you can even improve on it, but with fems, you're assured that your gear will have to be polluted by another strain to be able to back cross AND that whoever tries to do it will have to contend with potential hermie issues too. i don't like fems either, but in the case of super cali haze, that's the ONLY way i know to get true grape pheno haze indoors with a reasonable flowering time. i WISH is were available as a reg.

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ahh thanks for putting this to words.. I had a feeling it did something like this but I wasn't sure... fuck feminizing strains.

hazey grapes said:

i'm still a beginner at growing with only 2 actual harvests under my belt.

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yeah that's what I figured.