What would make THE FUTURE Christ cool with you? O.M.G.

Nevaeh420

Well-Known Member
Bro, you live in the united states, if you have a job, you are required to pay taxes. It's what all of us have to do here, it sucks, but it's what we gotta do. I think you should do whatever makes you happy. Sell you your house, live in it. Doesn't matter. Do what makes you happy. Just try to realize and appreciate the social concept of what this is. We are human animals, all of us, trying to cope with what is, with what we have, what we don't have... everything. The only thing i can do is try to help, and it doesn't matter most of the time. When it comes to you Nev, all you gotta do bro, is just remember one thing... "you cannot be certain of anything" and when you come to realize that, only then, can you really appreciate everything...

I believe in you, not only you. but many, many others. We have to give up our fantastical thinking, our beliefs, in order to really take action, to help the world. Whether or not you are jesus, it doesn't matter dude, what matters is what YOU DO. Whether or not you sit behind your PC and say shit, or whether or not you take part in helping a homeless person, or work at a food kitchen. Just as long as you are helping, and not just fuckin sitting around waiting, that's what count's man.

I don't believe in religion, but i worked at a christian food kitchen for 4 months just because i wanted to help. We can all do that, but it takes a certain type of person... to help someone without expecting anything in return.

You can be happy, you just gotta find it Nev. I'm no fucking priest, but maybe my advice can help. Let me know man.
Here's some irony for you bro. I was living in a homeless shelter for like a month last winter even though I own a home. I just cant afford to live on My own, by Myself, right now on My income.

EDIT- Like I said, I need more money to have a better life. I need to take action and find a good job that I can do and go get it but I'm a little lazy right now. If I had tons of money then I would be straight but I'm just getting by right now. Thanks for your advice though.

WHAT??? What good stuff? I've read every word and I still missed it, shit...
Does someone pay you to undermine Me Tyler?

Its hard to tell if you're joking or not but I think you're joking in a serious way, if you know what I mean. You're really not impressed by Me but you like to joke about it too, is what I'm saying.

I think I said some wonderful things. Sometimes I impress Myself. I don't see other people posit prophecies that are super cool like I do.

But you've seen it all Tyler. You've seen it all.

EDIT- I commend you for reading all of My posts... Really! But what have you learned from Me?

~PEACE~
 

Beefbisquit

Well-Known Member
Here's some irony for you bro. I was living in a homeless shelter for like a month last winter even though I own a home. I just cant afford to live on My own, by Myself, right now on My income.

EDIT- Like I said, I need more money to have a better life. I need to take action and find a good job that I can do and go get it but I'm a little lazy right now. If I had tons of money then I would be straight but I'm just getting by right now. Thanks for your advice though.



Does someone pay you to undermine Me Tyler?

Its hard to tell if you're joking or not but I think you're joking in a serious way, if you know what I mean. You're really not impressed by Me but you like to joke about it too, is what I'm saying.

I think I said some wonderful things. Sometimes I impress Myself. I don't see other people posit prophecies that are super cool like I do.

But you've seen it all Tyler. You've seen it all.

EDIT- I commend you for reading all of My posts... Really! But what have you learned from Me?

~PEACE~
You're fucking crazy.
 

tyler.durden

Well-Known Member
Does someone pay you to undermine Me Tyler?
Nope. It ain't about money. I just wanna make the world dance, forget about the finance...

Its hard to tell if you're joking or not but I think you're joking in a serious way, if you know what I mean. You're really not impressed by Me but you like to joke about it too, is what I'm saying.
Dead on, I'm impressed...

I think I said some wonderful things. Sometimes I impress Myself. I don't see other people posit prophecies that are super cool like I do.
For the zillionth time, they're not prophecies unless they come to pass. Yours are simply predictions, and 90% of them are retarded...

But you've seen it all Tyler. You've seen it all.
I'm just getting started...

EDIT- I commend you for reading all of My posts... Really! But what have you learned from Me?
It seems that we all yearn to feel important, to feel special. Some strive for greatness and and achieve it, legitimately fulfilling that need. Most don't even try. One thing I've learned from you is that if one has just the right combination of laziness, ignorance, mental illness, intellectual dishonesty, fear, anxiety, self-delusion, kindheartedness, and an internet connection, one can achieve feeling special without actually doing a goddamn thing...
 

Nevaeh420

Well-Known Member
You're fucking crazy.
Maybe.

Nope. It ain't about money. I just wanna make the world dance, forget about the finance...
What beat would you like the world to dance to? Maybe you can play a youtube video? What's your favorite song?

Dead on, I'm impressed...
At least you're impressed with something now about Me. Haha, I gotcha.

For the zillionth time, they're not prophecies unless they come to pass. Yours are simply predictions, and 90% of them are retarded...
Here is the definition of prophecy.


proph·e·cy
[prof-uh-see] Show IPA

noun, plural proph·e·cies.
1.
the foretelling or prediction of what is to come.

2.
something that is declared by a prophet, especially a divinely inspired prediction, instruction, or exhortation.

3.
a divinely inspired utterance or revelation: oracular prophecies.

4.
the action, function, or faculty of a prophet.

I think My predictions fall into this category- "the foretelling or prediction of what is to come." I don't see your definition about "they're not prophecies unless they come to pass" anywhere here. Maybe you're just making shit up again?

You know that I have the sickest prophecies. I'm the only person that I know that has any prophecies for the future. My prophecies are all genuine and came directly from Me and that's why they are so crazy cool.

I'm just getting started...
I have a lot to see too. But one day I will be dead so it won't matter what I have seen unless I can relay what I have seen into the future. That's where the internet comes into play. If it was just Me who has seen what I have been typing then it would make no difference at all, but I have a very very small audience to type to and relay what I have seen to you all on the world wide web. For that I thank God for the internet and thank you all for reading. Maybe I will be able to make a difference for the future and that's My mail goal... to make the world a better place for everyone but you know that by now Tyler.

It seems that we all yearn to feel important, to feel special. Some strive for greatness and and achieve it, legitimately fulfilling that need. Most don't even try. One thing I've learned from you is that if one has just the right combination of laziness, ignorance, mental illness, intellectual dishonesty, fear, anxiety, self-delusion, kindheartedness, and an internet connection, one can achieve feeling special without actually doing a goddamn thing...
I agree with SOME of the things you say here but WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED FROM ME? as far as My prophecies go. Not My character traits.

~PEACE~
 

tyler.durden

Well-Known Member
What beat would you like the world to dance to? Maybe you can play a youtube video? What's your favorite song?
I was referring to Price Tag, catchy little diddy. My favorite non-classical tune is Forty Six and Two by Tool...

Here is the definition of prophecy.


proph·e·cy
[prof-uh-see] Show IPA

noun, plural proph·e·cies.
1.
the foretelling or prediction of what is to come.



I think My predictions fall into this category- "the foretelling or prediction of what is to come." I don't see your definition about "they're not prophecies unless they come to pass" anywhere here. Maybe you're just making shit up again?
You can't seem to grasp the crucial 'what is to come' part. If your stupid ideas came to pass, they could then be considered prophecies. Currently they are simply stupid ideas. When did I make shit up?

You know that I have the sickest prophecies. I'm the only person that I know that has any prophecies for the future. My prophecies are all genuine and came directly from Me and that's why they are so crazy cool.
Most of the ideas you post are not original to you, you just thought they were good after reading about them and claim them as your own. Others that may be original are physically impossible (you wouldn't know that because of your ignorance), or really bad ideas...

I agree with SOME of the things you say here but WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED FROM ME? as far as My prophecies go. Not My character traits.
Nothing...
 

Nevaeh420

Well-Known Member
I've told you before and I will tell you again, I like you Tyler and I think you're a smart dude but sometimes you love to undermine Me for some reason. Could the reason be because you're an Atheist and I'm claiming to be Christ?

I was referring to Price Tag, catchy little diddy. My favorite non-classical tune is Forty Six and Two by Tool...
I love Tool. They used to be My favorite band, now they are one of My all time favorite bands. I don't have a favorite song by Tool because there are so many good tunes they play.

You can't seem to grasp the crucial 'what is to come' part. If your stupid ideas came to pass, they could then be considered prophecies. Currently they are simply stupid ideas. When did I make shit up?
You never showed Me where this definition of My predictions NEEDING to come to pass in order to be considered prophecies. If My prophecies did come to pass soon then that would take a miracle. My prophecies are so far out there that they most likely will not come to pass in My lifetime. But if I were the King of the world then I would commence on implementation right away and they would be self fulfilling prophecies because I would literally induce them to come to pass.

You're making shit up about your definition of what a prophecy is. You say that the prediction NEEDS to come to pass in order for it to be considered a true prophecy. Where do you deduct that from? Where is your definition for your alleged interpretation of the word prophecy?

I haven't read you making shit up other then this instance.

Most of the ideas you post are not original to you, you just thought they were good after reading about them and claim them as your own. Others that may be original are physically impossible (you wouldn't know that because of your ignorance), or really bad ideas...
My prophecies are totally original or I wouldn't be implying that they are My own prophecies. I have not read them anywhere besides what I have posted. Some of them I did learn from somewhere, like the pyramid cities. But all of My other prophecies are just taking what I have learned and making those ideas into something that no one has ever thought of, like learning about how tunnel boring machines can create hole underground and coming up with the idea of blowing the world up with underground cities. Another example is learning that hemp can produce plastic and then My idea was filling up the oceans with clear plastic hemp cities.

Can you tell Me one prophecy of Mine that will be impossible for the distant future!

Nothing...
You didn't learn anything from Me from the following post?

The following is My prophecies written down for you all to read. I know that this is a lot to read but its a lot of good information. The following is a copy and paste job so if you read it already then you don't need to read it again but its good stuff that I have prophesied on My own.

Not all of My prophecies for the future are original, like the mirrors in space around a star. I saw a youtube video, I believe, of that idea but it in the video they were saying that the aliens might use the mirrors in space to power their space ships. It was My idea to use the mirrors in space around our sun to grow bigger crops and to use it as a sort of climate control for the world. If there were enough mirrors in space around our sun then it would be real easy to make a colder climate warmer with increased sunlight.

My first big "prophecy" was blowing the world up with underground cities all around the planet. Underground cities are real, the government has some I believe, and it would be easy enough to implement with the proper tools. I came up with this "prophecy" in about 2008. I'm not adept at growing the world bigger with underground cities but its a cool notion. Once again, underground cities are not a new idea but blowing the whole world up with underground cites is a "prophecy" of Mine. Its very grandiose but how many more homes would that supply for the people of the world?

My next big "prophecy" that I came up with was underwater cities all across the globe. I was actually in prison when I first thought about this one. This happened in 2009. I was in prison for fighting with My dad and I saw on TV a picture of an oil rig or platform on the ocean. The camera than went under the water and it looked like there were little houses on the bottom of the ocean floor. I thought "what a wonderful idea to live underwater". That's the same day I saw the undulating clouds in the sky, you know, 1 of the 5 signs I saw in the clouds in 2009. Than I started to build on that idea and I thought it would be a wonderful notion to use clear hemp plastic to build these underwater cites. I would just grow as much hemp as possible to harvest the plastic from it to build more underwater cites. And later I thought that it would also be a good idea to grow hemp underwater too in order to produce more plastic for whatever. But you could virtually grow anything underwater with the proper equipment. And you know what they say, that 70% of the world is covered in water so how much virgin real estate is there underwater? Maybe there are underwater shelters or bases somewhere in the world, so this notion would also be considered not original.

I watched the following video with My brother in like 2009 or 2010, he showed Me the video but I thought how good of an idea would it be to build these pyramid cities all across the globe? If one of these can be build, than why not build a million of them? I couldn't find the rest of the video on youtube but this is the video that I did find about what I'm talking about. If I could find the rest of the video then I think it would say that 1 million people can live and work in the pyramid city.

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Later on I also thought of building cites floating on top of the ocean. How many mansions could you build that way too?

I also thought, later on, that if you can build cites underwater and you can build cities underground then why cant you build cities under the ocean floor? How much real estate could there be under the thousands of feet of rock under the ocean floor?

And I believe the last place I thought to build cites was in the mountains. Like using either tunnel boring machines or nuclear powered lasers to carve through the mountain rock.

Also, I'm sure when technology advances, we will live in space too. Maybe on the moon or mars or a space station or whatnot.

So as you can tell, I'm totally unoriginal but My heart is in the right spot. Maybe I'm not the best Prophet but I see Myself as a Prophet.

If you just want to be a scoffer than that's why you are- a scoffer. I know you like to debate, and I like debating with you Tyler but just don't undermine Me because I may not be the smartest person in the world, but I do have a heart of gold and I try and respect everyone and I expect respect back. Thanks!

EDIT- I would also get rid of most batteries by using fuel cells and liquid hydrogen as a replacement. I would also get rid of fossil fuels by replacing most of it with nuclear power plants that convert ocean water into liquid hydrogen to fuel most any need. I would also build billions of SPACE JETS (its a term that I coined) that would fly through the air, fly through space and also soar underwater. But I don't see a way that I could do all these things unless I become the King of the world. And I doubt that will ever happen but maybe when I die, someone will recognize Me for Who I am; And I believe that I'm the Prophet of this Age.


I forgot to mention two other "prophecies" of Mine.

The first "prophecy" is collecting asteroids and comets from the asteroid belt to form new planets and moons to colonize. I would use big SPACE JETS in order to collect the asteroids and comets, and I would send up millions of SPACE JETS in order to expedite the job of forming new planets and moons to colonize. I'm sure someone somewhere has thought about collecting asteroids in order to make planets but I thought of it all by Myself, without any help. So I'm sure its not a prophecy to you but its a prophecy to Me.

Another "prophecy" of Mine is making ocean canals all across the globe, maybe every 100 miles or so. You read a post that I was talking about this Tyler. But I would use nuclear powered lasers to carve out the land into channels so that ocean water can flow. Why drive hours to the beach when you can bring the beach to you? (that's if you don't live on the coast). I think its a great idea that I came up with. But they can already build canals so to you I'm sure its not a novel prophecy to you but who do you know that thought of building a mile wide canal every 100 miles or so using nuclear powered lasers?

I've learned that whatever I say, I'm not going to convince you of anything Tyler, and other skeptics on here, but these are My prophecies. I'm sure every prophecy of Mine has been thought of by someone somewhere but they were My creations that I thought of on My own. I don't know what your definition of prophecy is to you but these are definitely prophecies for the future. Now the question you ask is whether they are original or not? Like I said, I'm sure someone somewhere has thought of all these things but they came from Me without any help, basically they were novel to Me. I thought of these things on My own without any help. So I consider Myself the Prophet of this new Age.

So it depends on what your definition of original is. And it depends on your definition of prophecy. Like I said, they were original to Me and these are definitely prophetic. I'm predicting the future from ideas that were original to Me.

EDIT- I think I deserve some kind of credit for coming up with all these things on My own. Basically for all of My prophecies I went from a little idea to a much grander idea. Lets see what the definition of prophecy is.


proph·e·cy
[prof-uh-see] Show IPA

noun, plural proph·e·cies.
1.
the foretelling or prediction of what is to come.

2.
something that is declared by a prophet, especially a divinely inspired prediction, instruction, or exhortation.

3.
a divinely inspired utterance or revelation: oracular prophecies.

4.
the action, function, or faculty of a prophet.




Nowhere here does it say that a prophecy has to be original at all. Its simply a prediction of what is to come. So by definition, I'm a Prophet because I'm one that is foretelling the future. I guess all of My prophecies might have been thought of by someone somewhere at some point in time but they were all original to Me and I believe that's what matters.

EDIT- And how can I forget one of My most coolest prophecies? The ONLINE GOVERNMENT! This idea was original to Me too back in 2009 when I was in a state hospital (after I got out of prison) for 5 months. I was in the hospital and I was thinking "If I'm going to be the King of the world, how would I rule My government?" And then I thought of the ONLINE GOVERNMENT where the people can do all the voting by their self on the internet. This would give all the power to the people besides the checks and balances. Candidly, you could vote on all of the laws from your laptop, tablet, smart phone or any device that you are connected to the internet. Once again, I'm sure someone somewhere has thought of this but it was novel to Me and its another prophecy of Mine!

I saw a video somewhere, maybe it was youtube, that said that the aliens were using mirrors in the sky, around a star, to power their space ships.

I was thinking how good of an idea that would be to change the climate of colder regions of the world into tropical paradises or even just warmer. And using mirrors in the sky would be great for growing bigger crops for farms and whatnot.

If you need more light than just put mirrors in space, around a star, and direct it to where its needed. I'm sure it would be relatively cheap too to operate because once the mirrors are in space around a star then little energy would be needed to move the mirrors once they're floating in space.

Its just a thought, and I'm sure there could be many more uses for the mirrors in space besides what I have said.

I would actually take the orbits out of the planets and just have them rotate in place if its possible. You would be able to fit way more planets around a star if you just had them spin in place. The only challenge is controlling the seasons. But if you had giant nuclear powered rockets to move them back and forth, for the seasons, than it could be done. I'm sure you could fit hundreds of planets and moons around a star this way.

If it could be done, I think it would be a great idea. I just have never heard of this from anyone besides Myself so I don't know if its doable.

I also have a plan to turn any desert into a paradise. This is what I would do.

I would use My SOLAR LASER to carve out ocean canals across all of the continents, including the desert. So there would be an ocean channel every hundred miles or so. The ocean canals would be a source of salt water. I would then build the biggest distilleries the world has ever seen to convert the salt water into fresh water. These said distilleries could supply all of the worlds fresh water needs, and these could be implemented all across the globe too. Next I would turn as much sand into Rockwool, as needed. I would make the Rockwool "mats" about 100 feet high, or more and as large as possible, but it still would need to be put into place. I'm thinking the Rockwool "mats" could be the size of a football field or bigger and 100 feet thick.

These Rockwool "mats" could cover any desert and provide a perfect growing medium for any plant that I can think of. So its the combination of the SOLAR LASER to cut the ocean canals, the distilleries to convert the ocean water into fresh water and the Rockwool "mats" for the growing medium, to provide the perfect habitat for just about any plant. Then all you would need is organic fertilizer to feed the plants.

But whos to say that the Rockwool mats have to only be 100 feet tall? They could possibly be 1,000 feet tall if you really wanted to go overboard.

I would also use Rockwool mats to grow underground too. They could be maybe 10 feet tall, more or less for the underground but it still would be growing organic hydroponics underground to feed the world too. I think that if we did these things then there would be enough food to feed over 1 trillion people. But who knows, it could feed more people then that. All I know is that there is plenty of space to grow food and thanks to hydroponics, you can grow virtually anywhere.

These are just some of the prophecies that I have. Candidly, My goal is to create a paradise for the world where there is no shortage of necessities. I'm sure that once the world wakes up from its stupor that these things will become a reality!

EDIT- You could build thousands of floors of farms underneath the Rockwool farms on top. I would use nuclear fusion power plants to bring the energy to the underground farms where artificial light is needed!

MYT engine 1

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MYT engine 2

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MYT engine 3

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I would also grow lots of HEMP in these farms too. The hemp seed gives a lot of oil to make biodiesel too. I would grow enough hemp in these said farms to make hemp biodiesel almost free; at most maybe 10 cents a gallon for premium hemp biodiesel. Plus these MYT engines can get around 150 miles per gallon off of biodiesel so you could basically have free fuel for transportation.

The hemp seed also contains lots of protein that's good for people to consume. It could definitely supplement any persons diet that wants a quality protein source. I'm sure you could even bake with it and integrate it into most foods. I know now that there are hemp protein shakes for body builders to consume.

If we grew as much hemp that I want to then there would also be enough fiber to turn into clothes that could dress the world. The hemp would be so abundant that clothes would virtually be free too. Everyone would have a wardrobe fit for a king or queen because it would be so cheap, if not free. Hemp makes very soft and durable clothes too.

I would also grow the hemp to make clear plastics to build My UNDERWATER CITIES too. But not only could the clear hemp plastic be made to build homes, it could also be used any place that regular plastic is used today, where there are million of applications for plastic.

In regards to using SOLAR LASERS to build ocean canals all across the continents, I wouldn't mess with the fresh water supplies like lakes, rivers or streams. I would simply channel the ocean canals underneath the said lakes, rivers or streams so that we don't mess up the natural habitat. This would be easy enough to do with the proper equipment.

My Name is George Manuel Oliveira. George means Farmer. My whole Name, George Manuel Oliveira means Farmer God is with us, OLIVE TREE! Go look up Revelation 3:12 and Romans 11:16-26. In Revelation 3:12 Jesus says "And I will write on him My NEW NAME!" And in Romans 11:16-26 It talks many times about the OLIVE TREE! If you don't believe Me then go look it up yourself.


~PEACE~
 

tyler.durden

Well-Known Member
Fucking TLDR, dude. Skimmed it, it's the same tired, crazy shit. Learn to read and understand what you post -

noun, plural proph·e·cies.
1.
the foretelling or prediction of what is to come.


You posted the definition. A prophecy is a prediction of what is to come. If the prediction doesn't come true, the prediction cannot be considered a prophecy. Now stay with me here George, focus - how can we know what predictions will come true until they happen? If your predictions haven't come true, how do you know they will? Can you tell the future? A prophecy can only be recognized in retrospect. Please spend a few minutes on this logic, and if you need some help, call your mom...
 

Nevaeh420

Well-Known Member
Fucking TLDR, dude. Skimmed it, it's the same tired, crazy shit. Learn to read and understand what you post -

noun, plural proph·e·cies.
1.
the foretelling or prediction of what is to come.


You posted the definition. A prophecy is a prediction of what is to come. If the prediction doesn't come true, the prediction cannot be considered a prophecy. Now stay with me here George, focus - how can we know what predictions will come true until they happen? If your predictions haven't come true, how do you know they will? Can you tell the future? A prophecy can only be recognized in retrospect. Please spend a few minutes on this logic, and if you need some help, call your mom...
I must be stupid or something (no comment needed Tyler) but I still don't see anywhere that a prediction needs to come to pass in order for it to be a prophecy.

I'm going to agree to disagree here. I'm still going to say that I have prophecies for the future because it just sounds better then saying "predictions" but I believe I'm a Prophet anyways so what.

You should really read My last post, the part about My prophecies if you have free time. Especially if your going to knock My prophecies and saying all kinds of things about them. YOU SHOULD LEARN TO READ! It wont kill you, I promise.

But trust Me, My predictions will come to pass and then according to YOU they will officially be prophecies. There is only a seemingly infinite amount of time for My prophecies to come true. Just because they might be impossible to this generation, it doesn't mean they will be impossible for the future generations.

I think your logic is flawed in this case Tyler. Your a smart guy, I'm sure you will understand.

~PEACE~
 

tyler.durden

Well-Known Member
I must be stupid or something (no comment needed Tyler) but I still don't see anywhere that a prediction needs to come to pass in order for it to be a prophecy.

I'm going to agree to disagree here. I'm still going to say that I have prophecies for the future because it just sounds better then saying "predictions" but I believe I'm a Prophet anyways so what.

You should really read My last post, the part about My prophecies if you have free time. Especially if your going to knock My prophecies and saying all kinds of things about them. YOU SHOULD LEARN TO READ! It wont kill you, I promise.

But trust Me, My predictions will come to pass and then according to YOU they will officially be prophecies. There is only a seemingly infinite amount of time for My prophecies to come true. Just because they might be impossible to this generation, it doesn't mean they will be impossible for the future generations.

I think your logic is flawed in this case Tyler. Your a smart guy, I'm sure you will understand.

~PEACE~
You know what, George? I think that you are right, and I am wrong about this one. I've been looking up other sources of the definition, and it appears that I really didn't know what the word prophecy meant -



proph·e·cy (pr
f
-s
)n. pl. proph·e·cies (-s
z) 1. a. An inspired utterance of a prophet, viewed as a revelation of divine will.
b. A prediction of the future, made under divine inspiration.
c. Such an inspired message or prediction transmitted orally or in writing.

2. The vocation or condition of a prophet.
3. A prediction.

[HR][/HR]

I was under the impression that a prophecy had to actually come into reality, but it seems that is synonymous with prediction, as you said. So, have at your prophecies as I now know they are no different than any ridiculous prediction. You asked what I've learned from you? This definition, thanks...
 

Nevaeh420

Well-Known Member
You know what, George? I think that you are right, and I am wrong about this one. I've been looking up other sources of the definition, and it appears that I really didn't know what the word prophecy meant -



proph·e·cy (pr
f
-s
)n. pl. proph·e·cies (-s
z) 1. a. An inspired utterance of a prophet, viewed as a revelation of divine will.
b. A prediction of the future, made under divine inspiration.
c. Such an inspired message or prediction transmitted orally or in writing.

2. The vocation or condition of a prophet.
3. A prediction.

[HR][/HR]

I was under the impression that a prophecy had to actually come into reality, but it seems that is synonymous with prediction, as you said. So, have at your prophecies as I now know they are no different than any ridiculous prediction. You asked what I've learned from you? This definition, thanks...
Its ok... I still think you're a cool dude Tyler.

You live and you learn. Everyone makes mistakes.

EDIT- I'm sorry I was hard on you. I make mistakes all the time as you guys know. You ARE human after all like the rest of us.

~PEACE~
 

GreyLord

Active Member
The real question is were your correct guesses anything more than lucky guesses? We wouldn't know unless you kept track of every time you made a guess, wrote down if it was right or wrong, then worked out the probabilities.

Humans have conformation biases, meaning they tend to forget the 'misses' and remember the 'hits', giving them this idea that they might be psychic.



It's the same as having a dream, and then something from the dream happens. Seems too coincidental to be chance, but people forget the other 364 dreams they had that year that weren't prophetic.
Ummm....sorry, was my humour lost on you? My comments were intended to be amusing :)

I understand that some have "conformation bias", it just boils down to the awareness of the individual.

A good example of conformation bias is seen in many gamblers. When they have a big win they'll always say that they're 'in front', ignoring or forgetting their losses.
 

ILoveYouSweetLeaf

Well-Known Member
I'm not asking what would make Jesus cool with you because Jesus is dead as far as I know.

I'm asking what would make THE FUTURE Christ cool with you? The Christ that is supposed to be coming and "save the world". The "Second" Coming.

You dont have to believe in any Messiah or Christ figure but a lot of people want a Savior to help their lives and the world.

What would be some qualities that you believe the future Messiah should have?

What do you think He should be like?

What do you think the Christ would do?

What proof would you need?

Some of you dont want a Savior and thats fine but this thread is for the believers and the agnostics or people that want a Savior. But you athiests can post why a Savior is bad.




I actually believe that I am Christ but "He came to His own and His own recieved Him not." No one seems to believe Me, so I'm curious as to what would Christ have to be like or what traits would deem Him as Christ to you all?


I'm not trying to convert anyone into a religion but I do like to share My story about how I believe I can help. I think religion is a bad thing (but religious people are not necessarily bad) but a lot of people could use a Savior to fix the worlds problems. A Person to fight on the peoples behalf against the "elites" and to usher in a rich peace of love for the whole world. A Person that would fix most of the worlds major problems and unify the nations in order to be at tranquility with eachother. A Person to make everyone richer in order to be able to afford more for theirself and their families. These things would give most people inner peace too because they wouldnt be struggling as much and not be as needy.

We all wouldnt mind having a better life and the Messiah is supposed to bring this when He comes. They key phrase is "WHEN He comes".

But who will believe Him? Most of you guys will NOT accept Him; I know from experience.




~PEACE~
what would make the future Christ cool with me?
hmm maybe not having a father (god) letting babies get raped.
not letting woman get raped.
not letting men get raped.
not having god declare the raped must marry the rapist to not dishonor god.
maybe not advocating rape in the bible.
not letting murders happen.
not letting genocide happen.
not advocating murder or genocide in the bible.
not being prejudice against me or the rest of the whole human species because adam and eve did wrong thousands of years ago.
(whats the difference between a KKK piece of shit hating all blacks because ONE black man robbed him once and god doing this?)
speaking of prejudice, its kinda unfair to give ancient people the experience of actually meeting jesus, and judging modern people just as harshly but
denying them the same advantage of meeting a savior, and only give them some contradictory book written thousands of years ago.
not judging me to hell for not believing a ridiculous book that makes no logical sense and contradicts itself HUNDREDS of times.
not judging me to hell for not believing said crap book AND not even providing any evidence contrary to said crap book.
hell I could think of a whole bunch more if I had the time.

from what I have seen, a vast majority of the believers have never read the bible themselves and or only get read the parts of the bible that are the "happy" parts. Most are to afraid to question they're own faith for fear of upsetting the number one absentee father of all time. as an example Any "father" with ultimate power who can watch one of his daughters get gang raped and a metal rod inserted in her and have her intestines get ripped out as what happened in India or anything like that (concentration camps) is a monster beyond imagination. It astounds me that anyone in their right mind can say this being is good. But its free will you say? so if your a father and your daughter goes out drinking and gets in a bad situation were she will get hurt really bad, you would not stop it because SHE choose to go out that night against your will? Believers will read this and it will go over their head.
they by order of their god ordered not to think.
 

GreyLord

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I don't believe anything without good cause.




Your 'most will say' statement, isn't really proving anything other than what you think they might say. If you really want to know if people have sixth senses, you need to test them under strict conditions. Not let people be their own tester and jury.



I would love to see your sixth sense tested under strict conditions to check its validity.



You noticed something was off, it doesn't mean you have precognition. You have a sub-conscious which does all kinds of information processing you're not aware of.




Knowing what I know about how the brain works, and our evolutionary process I don't think you and I would share the same conclusions, even if we did share the same experience.







That's not the point. The point is that regardless of how many times there are no berries on any bushes, the brain will still think along the lines of bushes=berries. When in fact it could mean bushes=berries about 10% of the time. Your brain doesn't remember the 90% misses, it only remembers the times you did find berries. Likewise, I know there are numerous times when you've had a gut feeling, or made a selection and were wrong, your brain just forgot about it. That my friend, is conformation bias.



Sometimes a person might notice them, sometimes they don't. You would never know if you didn't notice them, right? The only way your explanation could describe a 'sixth sense' is if we knew where all the pot plants in a given area were, so we could verify if a persons 'intuition' was correct in locating them. Think of it this way, you're walking through the woods and find a pot plant, must be sixth sense right? But what if you only found one out of two-hundred plants? Without all of the information (how many total plants, how close to one another they are, etc. etc.) you can't accurately state that it would be a 'sixth' sense. To the person finding the plant it would seem remarkable, to an outside observer that knows where each of the two-hundred plants are located it looks like blind luck that you just happened to find one plant. Pretty unremarkable if you ask me!

There's a reasonable chance if you're in an area densely populated with pot plants that you will stumble upon one, but that says nothing about a sixth sense only that probability is pretty accurate most of the time.



This is just completely wrong. Science is not a perspective. If science were a perspective, peer-review would be useless because everyone would get different findings (they don't, therefore it isn't).




I disagree. Science doesn't tell us anything that isn't demonstrable.



I somewhat agree with this statement. Science observes, then makes a statement (hypothesis) about the observation they wish to test. After the testing they either confirm or deny their hypothesis and the processes starts all over again.


We can actually test newtons third law, that's why we call it a 'law'. I reject the idea of spiritual laws because they're not-demonstrable. For all I know, they're a complete load of bullshit made up by someone trying to extort money from spiritually-needy people. Until they can be tested, they're not laws.




As Heis, already stated we know what energy is. It's demonstrable, the soul is not. Therefore, it's not energy. If the soul exists, it's particles are decidedly NOT energy.



I've shared those types of dreams with you, and others, but I don't attribute them to the same causes as you. For one, I don't see any evidence that the astral plane exists. I have several friends that swear they can 'spirit walk', but none of them can ever offer up any information that isn't easily accessible from the non-astral plane. I mean, come on; if the astral plane existed a person would be able to get new and exciting information, previously unavailable to those not on the astral plane. This has never happened. Ever.




And that seems to be the problem with the supernatural. It seems real to the person experiencing it, but completely non-demonstrable to anyone else. That's not proof, that's a 'revelation', proof is something you can show people.



That sounds elegant and beautiful. It also has no basis in reality. :D



Please don't get all "Chopra" on me now... lol



There are many theories, the multiverse theory is just one of them.
So in other words you disagree.

Do you believe in absolutes Beef? That things are either black or white? That there is a rational explanation for everything? I once hoped that that was the case, it somehow made my world seem safer. Experience has proved otherwise.

You don't believe in anything without good cause? Neither do I.

Proving intuition under strict conditions? What, the word of your female relatives & friends isn't good enough for you? A person either had precognition of an event that eventuated or not. I trust the word of my female relatives & friends. It's like a younger friend of a friend whose arguments sound familiar, who I asked "Brett do you think I just make stuff up to further my position?" I mean, why would rational, sane, honest people lie about their experience?

Science is infallible, is that what your saying?Science taught the Earth is the centre of the Universe based on their observation. From ancient Greece until the 17th century, science believed that the liver circulated blood & the heart circulated 'vital-spirit'. There were no germs until the 19th century, infection was caused by 'bad air'. They observed wrong. People accepted these observations from others because 'It's science so it must be true'.

So you don't see 'cause & affect' in your life? Reap as you sow? Put out bad vibes & get bad vibes back, put out good vibes & get good vibes back, as an old hippy friend liked to say. That's karma.

Again,I said there's proof enough for me to prove the souls an energy. I no-doubt need less proof than others because I believe we are a spirit having a physical experience.
How do you know the soul is undemonstrative? Protons & neutrons, for instance, weren't observed until the required apparatus was designed & built. Science said there was nothing smaller than an atom, science was wrong. Germs didn't exist until someone went looking for them. Infection was caused by 'bad-air' according to science.



"Proof" re; supernatural? Experience has proved that there is more to this Universe than what I can see or touch. [As Sheldon points out, we cannot see sub-atomic particles but we know they exist.] My experience is my personal experience, I did not ignore that experience just because it didn't fit-in with my then beliefs. My beliefs are not dependent on others approval nor do I have a need to prove anything to anyone. If you disagree then you disagree.

The astral plane is not separate from our reality. They say there are 7 'planes' [reflected by our endocrine system] that constitute our reality. Some are more dense than others.
I've heard many stories over the years. The one that sticks in my mind though was this Christian guy who was middle-aged, who'd had "the most vivid, the most real" experience. He dreamt that he'd gone to Paris. He ate at a restaurant away from the tourist spots but swore he could find the restaurant if he went to France. He had the dream when 21 & it became a bit of an obsession. 10 years later he went to France, found the restaurant, ate there, was served by the same waiter as in the dream, every detail he remembered from the dream was identical. Instead of putting his mind to rest it created more questions that couldn't be answered by his religious beliefs. He had no answers but believes he experienced this for a reason, to be shown that more things exist than he realised. Regardless of what others think, his experience showed that he had "traveled into the future" while he slept.
How do you know that '"new & exciting information" has never been accessed from the astral plane? Many artists, scientists, writers have attributed receiving ideas & solving problems through their dreams.

I have witnessed evidence of poltergeist activity in the presence of 2 others. I've experienced validation from others many times. Phenomena is usually witnessed by individuals but common experience isn't rare. And yes it is a revelation for the individual, that's what I'm saying, certain things have been revealed to me over time that have changed my beliefs & perspectives.

"...elegant & beautiful". Thank you.

Chopra? Yeah I don't know what to make of him.

Yes, the multiverse is a theory, one that I believe to be true. The theory is based on mathematics, science. Are you now arguing that science is wrong?
 

GreyLord

Active Member
At what point did I claim to be God? You seem to be using hyperbole and indignation to avoid the core of my message. I am sorry you find me arrogant, but you have misused numerous basic science terms while professing to know that science backs up your statements. You apparently feel entitled to speak with some authority on matters such as thermodynamics and openly dodge due diligence, some would say that is pretty arrogant. If you look you will see that none of us are asking you to justify yourself to us, we are pointing out that you have not justified what you say to yourself, not if you value genuine inquiry and intellectual honesty. You are using uncontrolled subjective experience to try and establish objective truths, and when contradictions are pointed out you push the information away. If these are the sort of values contained within your wisdom, I suppose it's a good thing you're not trying to convince anybody.
It's called dry humour. Don't you have that where you originate? German huh?
Where did I say anything about thermodynamics? "...genuine inquiry & intellectual honesty." ??/ You don't even know me, you do not know what I know Adolph, yet your some sort of authority on me & my beliefs? Who the fuck are you? Who made you my judge? I never said I was an authority on anything. You make no sense just using fancy catch phrases, "....openly dodge due diligence." You don't ask a direct question. You just write a load of judgmental nonsense demanding I explain myself.[So your Christian huh?] to which you get a heap of 'likes', for what? Writing drivel? I don't care to discuss a single thing with you Hanz. Go & annoy someone else :)

Did you read what Beefbisquit wrote? Disagrees with me, might even think I'm a fruit-loop, yet he remains polite & respectful. Thank-you Beef.

If you have a direct question then ask.
 

Heisenberg

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It's called dry humour. Don't you have that where you originate? German huh?
Where did I say anything about thermodynamics? "...genuine inquiry & intellectual honesty." ??/ You don't even know me, you do not know what I know Adolph, yet your some sort of authority on me & my beliefs? Who the fuck are you? Who made you my judge? I never said I was an authority on anything. You make no sense just using fancy catch phrases, "....openly dodge due diligence." You don't ask a direct question. You just write a load of judgmental nonsense demanding I explain myself.[So your Christian huh?] to which you get a heap of 'likes', for what? Writing drivel? I don't care to discuss a single thing with you Hanz. Go & annoy someone else :)

Did you read what Beefbisquit wrote? Disagrees with me, might even think I'm a fruit-loop, yet he remains polite & respectful. Thank-you Beef.

If you have a direct question then ask.

I am not German nor Christian, I am an American and atheist. I do not know you, I am responding to your words and conduct. When you speak of energy, you are speaking of thermodynamics. When you cite laws of thermodynamics to back up your claims, you are attempting to speak with some authority. When you dismiss correction by claiming you aren't trying to convince anyone, you are avoiding due diligence.

As I said before, I have no problem with you expressing and discussing your ideas here, but if you want to pretend they are grounded in science then you should expect to be corrected. When you arrogantly shroud it all in the guise of helping others find truth, you shouldn't expect humility in return. I have not called you any names nor assigned you any labels, yet you have referred to me as Adolph and a born again Christian, all while claiming I am the one who judges and disrespects. Contradictions such as that come from the desperate urge to push criticism away. Rather than responding to my tone, or responding at all, simply update your knowledge and adjust your beliefs accordingly, or admit that they are based entirely on faith and personal revelations and stop the duplicitous claim that they are scientifically meaningful.
 

tyler.durden

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I am not German nor Christian, I am an American and atheist. I do not know you, I am responding to your words and conduct. When you speak of energy, you are speaking of thermodynamics. When you cite laws of thermodynamics to back up your claims, you are attempting to speak with some authority. When you dismiss correction by claiming you aren't trying to convince anyone, you are avoiding due diligence.

As I said before, I have no problem with you expressing and discussing your ideas here, but if you want to pretend they are grounded in science then you should expect to be corrected. When you arrogantly shroud it all in the guise of helping others find truth, you shouldn't expect humility in return. I have not called you any names nor assigned you any labels, yet you have referred to me as Adolph and a born again Christian, all while claiming I am the one who judges and disrespects. Contradictions such as that come from the desperate urge to push criticism away. Rather than responding to my tone, or responding at all, simply update your knowledge and adjust your beliefs accordingly, or admit that they are based entirely on faith and personal revelations and stop the duplicitous claim that they are scientifically meaningful.
Good to have you back, Heis! Missed you, bro...
 

Nevaeh420

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40m 15s
Heisenberg, your video isn't working for Me. I was hoping to watch it. Maybe you can find a similar video or summarize what the video was about... No?

EDIT- Heisenberg, I think you deleted My thread about the aliens. Some mod did for sure. I thought you said we could start a different thread about aliens since you closed the last one?

~PEACE~
 

Beefbisquit

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So in other words you disagree.
Pretty much. :D

Do you believe in absolutes Beef? That things are either black or white? That there is a rational explanation for everything? I once hoped that that was the case, it somehow made my world seem safer. Experience has proved otherwise.
I believe that beyond how humans perceive things, there is an objective truth to everything. One person might see a colour as an organgish/red, another might see a reddish/orange, but beyond both of their perceptions there is an actual truth that is independent of the people perceiving it.

You don't believe in anything without good cause? Neither do I.
I need to see evidence. The type that's demonstrable to anyone that wants to see it, in order to start a belief.

Proving intuition under strict conditions? What, the word of your female relatives & friends isn't good enough for you?
No, it's not. I understand how magical thinking penetrates people minds. There have been hundreds if not thousands of controlled experiments, where people who think they have some sort of 'power' to find people, or items, or water, or god knows what else; and every single time the people are astounded that they have no abilities. They believe with such vigor that they're special, and when double-blind testing shows the complete opposite of what they were expecting, a lot of them still believe they're special and that they possess 'powers' despite their "abilities" being nothing more than random chance.

A person either had precognition of an event that eventuated or not.
Correct, but the frequency and accuracy in which they can predict is what matters. Anyone can throw out random guesses and get some right. It takes a consistency, and accuracy that has not yet been seen

I trust the word of my female relatives & friends.
And that's why I believe I have a higher requirement for evidence than you.

It's like a younger friend of a friend whose arguments sound familiar, who I asked "Brett do you think I just make stuff up to further my position?" I mean, why would rational, sane, honest people lie about their experience?
I don't believe you're making anything up at all. I just think you're wrong in your belief. The way you're assessing the probability of these events happening is at the very least incredibly unreliable.

Science is infallible, is that what your saying?
No. Science as we know it, is really a modern thing. What I'm saying is science is the best way of determining what's is true and what's not when it comes to the natural world. It's also self-correcting. If anyone can prove something in science incorrect they stand to gain notoriety, fame, and most likely fortune.

Science taught the Earth is the centre of the Universe based on their observation.
Not really. It was science that corrected the idea that the world was flat, actually. There was no reason to think the world was roundish because no one had anyway of testing it.


From ancient Greece until the 17th century, science believed that the liver circulated blood & the heart circulated 'vital-spirit'. There were no germs until the 19th century, infection was caused by 'bad air'. They observed wrong. People accepted these observations from others because 'It's science so it must be true'.
Modern science is only a few hundred years old.

So you don't see 'cause & affect' in your life? Reap as you sow? Put out bad vibes & get bad vibes back, put out good vibes & get good vibes back, as an old hippy friend liked to say. That's karma.
I don't believe in Karma. I know cause and effect occurs, but not in the way I assume you're imagining. People reciprocate emotions, there's nothing magical or mystical about it. I was a car salesmen, and it's one of the best tricks in the book. Reciprocation.

Again,I said there's proof enough for me to prove the souls an energy. I no-doubt need less proof than others because I believe we are a spirit having a physical experience.
How do you know the soul is undemonstrative? Protons & neutrons, for instance, weren't observed until the required apparatus was designed & built. Science said there was nothing smaller than an atom, science was wrong. Germs didn't exist until someone went looking for them. Infection was caused by 'bad-air' according to science.
You can't, and I mean, cannot prove that souls are energy. We already know what energy is, it's exceptionally well documented. I've yet to see any evidence to suggest souls exist. Literally zero. Zilch. Nadda. There's always an explanation that makes less assumptions and has a more natural cause.



"Proof" re; supernatural? Experience has proved that there is more to this Universe than what I can see or touch. [As Sheldon points out, we cannot see sub-atomic particles but we know they exist.]
Don't confuse "unable to see and touch" with "unable to demonstrate they exist". You can't touch the wind, but we can demonstrate it's existence in a multitude of ways. Any attribute you can assign to the soul, can be more easily assigned to the brain using less assumptions. Ooccam's razor says the explanation with the least amount of assumptions is usually the correct one.


My experience is my personal experience, I did not ignore that experience just because it didn't fit-in with my then beliefs. My beliefs are not dependent on others approval nor do I have a need to prove anything to anyone. If you disagree then you disagree.
And I will... lol Personal revelation is not evidence. Evidence is presentable to other people. It may be enough to convince you, and that's awesome; but you shouldn't have any expectation that your stories should influence anyone else unless you can actually demonstrate something.

The astral plane is not separate from our reality. They say there are 7 'planes' [reflected by our endocrine system] that constitute our reality. Some are more dense than others.
I've heard many stories over the years. The one that sticks in my mind though was this Christian guy who was middle-aged, who'd had "the most vivid, the most real" experience. He dreamt that he'd gone to Paris. He ate at a restaurant away from the tourist spots but swore he could find the restaurant if he went to France. He had the dream when 21 & it became a bit of an obsession. 10 years later he went to France, found the restaurant, ate there, was served by the same waiter as in the dream, every detail he remembered from the dream was identical.
See, to me that's just a story. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't....

Instead of putting his mind to rest it created more questions that couldn't be answered by his religious beliefs. He had no answers but believes he experienced this for a reason, to be shown that more things exist than he realised. Regardless of what others think, his experience showed that he had "traveled into the future" while he slept.
How do you know that '"new & exciting information" has never been accessed from the astral plane? Many artists, scientists, writers have attributed receiving ideas & solving problems through their dreams.
Who? There have been countless experiments where 'astal travelers' have been asked to view what's written in a sealed envelope in the next room. No one has ever been able to accurately identify the contents of the envelope.

Now. Dr. Michael Persinger has been doing experiments that involve using electromagnets and other fancy-schmancy equipment to try to (excuse my laymen terminology) 'tap into the earth's magnetic field to access shared/stored memories'. Pretty cool stuff, lots of critics, lots of controversy, very cool stuff.

I have witnessed evidence of poltergeist activity in the presence of 2 others. I've experienced validation from others many times. Phenomena is usually witnessed by individuals but common experience isn't rare. And yes it is a revelation for the individual, that's what I'm saying, certain things have been revealed to me over time that have changed my beliefs & perspectives.
In the witch trils of Salem group hysteria was common. Not accusing you of being hysterical, just mentioning there are natural causes and explanations for such things.

"...elegant & beautiful". Thank you.
You're welcome. :)

Chopra? Yeah I don't know what to make of him.
I think he's a fucking idiot. lol

Yes, the multiverse is a theory, one that I believe to be true. The theory is based on mathematics, science. Are you now arguing that science is wrong?
Scientific theories can be thought of as a spectrum. Some more reliable than others. Multiverse theory is basically a fringe theory that isn't supported by a terribly large amount of evidence. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not there' no consensus, or really enough information available to really assign a likelihood. Kind of like string theory.
 
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