What do you know about aliens?

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TigerClock

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The kids and I saw the strangest thing today and I feel compelled to tell someone, anyway what we saw appeared to be a flying crystal (best way I can describe it) and what appeared to be a red light on or inside it, as soon as we started to discuss it , bam it was just gone. Some type of UFO maybe?
 

kpmarine

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The kids and I saw the strangest thing today and I feel compelled to tell a someone, anyway what we saw what appeared to be a flying crystal (best way I can describe it) and what appeared to be a red light on or inside it, as soon as we started to discuss it , bam it was just gone. Some type of UFO maybe?
If it was flying and you don't know what it is, then it's a UFO.
 

Nevaeh420

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What about the video did you want to discuss? It is a known hoax video that is only mildly interesting IMO.


http://www.livescience.com/742-story-alien-autopsy-hoax.html
I don't want to talk about it now if its a hoax. I thought it might be real and thusly interesting. But if its just another fake than what the point of talking about it?

There has to be some real alien evidence somewhere. I just wish that I got My encounters, the UFOs and the being, on video tape. That would be something to see that couldn't be debunked In My Opinion.

~PEACE~
 

Beefbisquit

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Aliens, NASA, people on the roof.... I found video evidence corroborating Neveah's story!

[video=youtube_share;mF7vt-c2N1g]http://youtu.be/mF7vt-c2N1g[/video]
 

Beefbisquit

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In this one they have space suits... SPACE SUITS! Can you say "the start of an invisibility suit?" I think I'm onto something!

[video=youtube_share;pp1e505TBHI]http://youtu.be/pp1e505TBHI[/video]
 

tyler.durden

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I don't want to talk about it now if its a hoax. I thought it might be real and thusly interesting. But if its just another fake than what the point of talking about it?
I don't understand why you cannot verify the legitimacy of something before you post it. You simply need to Google material and see if it is verified by reputable sites, and if it isn't, don't post it. Your inability to decipher fact from fiction is a factor on why people don't take most of what you have to say seriously. It seems like laziness on your part...
There has to be some real alien evidence somewhere.
Not on this planet...
I just wish that I got My encounters, the UFOs and the being, on video tape. That would be something to see that couldn't be debunked In My Opinion.
I'm betting it wouldn't be to difficult...
 

Chief Walkin Eagle

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Oh, Chief. One step forward, forty steps back. You are obviously intelligent and have a great grasp of the English language, so I know that you understand what is probably the most touted memes on this board, The Burden of Proof and Occam's Razor. Logic dictates the one who is making the positive claim (spirituality, soul, aliens, telepathy, etc., exists) is the one who needs to provide the evidence. And the more extraordinary the claim, the more extraordinary the evidence needs to be. Occam's razor is the logical concept that states the explanation that makes the fewest assumptions is usually the correct one. Your entire belief system seems to be made up of assumption after assumption. It seems like it would topple over if one of the major pieces we're pulled out, that's why I asked you that hypothetical question the other day. I've read others' opinion of how they think you are progressing in your integrity and cognitive ability, but I disagree. Imo, you understand all of these concepts and willfully choose to combat or ignore them in order to further your own ideology. That is disingenuous and deceptive, and not worthy of any praise...



You attempt to get rid of logic and skepticism only when it interferes with your worldview. You are quick to use them against worldviews that differ from your own, that's why I know you are adept in employing them. You should simply use those skills in regards to your own beliefs, it seems you try very hard not to do this. You may now go back to laughing out loud over weather balloons...
I am skeptical to the so called logic and skepticism directed to aliens because I think its silly. It was ridiculous right off the bat at Roswell. What evidence would there be when its all covered up? How do I know its covered up, you ask? Easy, idiots will believe anything so you could just tell them its weather balloons (That example will never get old imo lol). No matter what skeptical viewpoint you put on this, I dont think its any better than any believers viewpoint. The amount of nut huggers just gives you guys the illusion that you're fighting a winning battle but really all you're doing is just fighting. It all boils down to "How do you know this isnt happening?" and the opposition says "Well how do you know that isnt happening?". With aliens, both sides make just as many assumptions so Occams razor and logic is replaced with opinions and it is my opinion that it is absolutely mind boggling that people call themselves skeptics but accept the explanation of weather balloons...

My worldviews seem completely logical considering what I've experienced in life, and I know you have a logical assumption that opposes what I've experienced, but it doesnt change anything. You are completely correct that I understand everything you skeptics are trying to say and that I willfully reject them because I know most of them dont apply to me. I know I've experienced more reality than you have and I dont need a scientist to confirm it, though I did a few experiments of my own to prove it to myself.

Also, if you're hypothetical question would be true, I also said that I would still continue on the same path, for the most part at least. I wouldnt feel like I was living a lie because theres other things I've experienced that showed me Im heading in the right direction.
 

tyler.durden

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I am skeptical to the so called logic and skepticism directed to aliens because I think its silly.
You're skeptical of skepticism? I don't know what to do with that one...

It was ridiculous right off the bat at Roswell. What evidence would there be when its all covered up?
You're doing it again when you know better - Any evidence (or lack thereof) against the conspiracy is evidence for the conspiracy. That's non-falsifiable and is the back bone of all conspiracy nuts. Also, the level of technological achievement required for FTL travel would be mind boggling, yet our simple strategy and puny technology is enough to overcome theirs to capture them and cover it up for decades? Does that seem logical to you? Wait, don't answer that...

How do I know its covered up, you ask? Easy, idiots will believe anything
You are demonstrating that...

so you could just tell them its weather balloons (That example will never get old imo lol)
If there was a cover up, how do you know that they weren't simply covering up our own advanced technology?


No matter what skeptical viewpoint you put on this, I dont think its any better than any believers viewpoint. The amount of nut huggers just gives you guys the illusion that you're fighting a winning battle but really all you're doing is just fighting. It all boils down to "How do you know this isnt happening?" and the opposition says "Well how do you know that isnt happening?". With aliens, both sides make just as many assumptions so Occams razor and logic is replaced with opinions and it is my opinion that it is absolutely mind boggling that people call themselves skeptics but accept the explanation of weather balloons...
You're doing it again, you really don't think we can see through this? It is the alien conspiracy nuts that are making assumptions (Aliens exist, they have mastered FTL travel, they have motivation to come to this tiny, relatively quiet part of this galaxy, we outsmarted them and captured them, they want to remain anonymous, ad nauseum). We are making NO assumptions, just asking for proof and verification for your outlandish claims as any reasonable people do when trying to separate truth from bullshit. You can't shake that pesky Burden of Proof no matter how violently you dance around...
My worldviews seem completely logical considering what I've experienced in life, and I know you have a logical assumption that opposes what I've experienced, but it doesnt change anything. You are completely correct that I understand everything you skeptics are trying to say and that I willfully reject them because I know most of them dont apply to me.
You're doing it again, this is Special Pleading that I don't see as warranted in this case. They apply to you regardless of what you think...

I know I've experienced more reality than you have and I dont need a scientist to confirm it, though I did a few experiments of my own to prove it to myself.
What does this mean, exactly, and how do you know? You don't need science to confirm it, but the rest of the world does...
Also, if you're hypothetical question would be true, I also said that I would still continue on the same path, for the most part at least. I wouldnt feel like I was living a lie because theres other things I've experienced that showed me Im heading in the right direction.
You did say you'd continue on your path, but then admitted that you don't know what you'd do. I remember because I liked that post as it showed honesty from you, and that's fairly rare...
 

Chief Walkin Eagle

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You're skeptical of skepticism? I don't know what to do with that one...



You're doing it again when you know better - Any evidence (or lack thereof) against the conspiracy is evidence for the conspiracy. That's non-falsifiable and is the back bone of all conspiracy nuts. Also, the level of technological achievement required for FTL travel would be mind boggling, yet our simple strategy and puny technology is enough to overcome theirs to capture them and cover it up for decades? Does that seem logical to you? Wait, don't answer that...



You are demonstrating that...



If there was a cover up, how do you know that they weren't simply covering up our own advanced technology?




You're doing it again, you really don't think we can see through this? It is the alien conspiracy nuts that are making assumptions (Aliens exist, they have mastered FTL travel, they have motivation to come to this tiny, relatively quiet part of this galaxy, we outsmarted them and captured them, they want to remain anonymous, ad nauseum). We are making NO assumptions, just asking for proof and verification for your outlandish claims as any reasonable people do when trying to separate truth from bullshit. You can't shake that pesky Burden of Proof no matter how violently you dance around...


You're doing it again, this is Special Pleading that I don't see as warranted in this case. They apply to you regardless of what you think...



What does this mean, exactly, and how do you know? You don't need science to confirm it, but the rest of the world does...


You did say you'd continue on your path, but then admitted that you don't know what you'd do. I remember because I liked that post as it showed honesty from you, and that's fairly rare...
Yes, to me, skeptics are blind to a large part of reality, so I am skeptical of skepticism lol I think I got that from AbandonConflict.

Most of the world must be conspiracy nuts then because most of the world believes in aliens because they dont believe everything authority spoon feeds them. What evidence is there against the conspiracy? That video of lights going over the mountains? Please... Who said anything about aliens being captured? I think most aliens are enemies of the government but they have some sort of agreement going on which is partly the reason why aliens havent completely exposed themselves. If there was ever live captured aliens then the aliens would come down and settle that shit behind closed doors, imo. The government has sabotaged laboratories of a handful of physicists because of their work on free energy though I havent seen a skeptic here take that claim on yet, Im assuming because they dont take the claim seriously. Its not our fault that you guys wont look at this shit.

No, my friend. You are demonstrating that lol I'll bet my advanced alien weather balloon on it!

Oh, so now you're considering that there is a cover up and that they are able to hide such secrets, but it cant be aliens if it was a cover up? Hmmm...

No man, you're still making assumptions. Assumptions are made on both sides. You assume everyones minds are being fooled when they see ball of light doing impossible maneuvers in the sky. We do think that what we see can be caused by natural means though, its just that we see aliens as natural lol. And I dunno about you but Earth seems like an awesome fucking place to visit. If I had the means, I'd go up in space and watch all life on Earth like it was the best reality show ever. This is one so called nutjob conspiracy theory that you guys will never get the upper hand on.

Sure, if you havent experienced what I've experienced and you are watching me talk about my experiences then yes, your skeptical analysis applies to me because what I said happened is scientifically unbelievable. But I know those explanations are wrong because I know what I've been through. I was specifically talking about my experiences when I said that, not that you should blindly accept everything I said.

What I mean by that is that I've experienced the supernatural and deemed it natural. Yes, the world does need science to confirm it, but I already did some experiments and confirmed it for myself.

When I said I dont know what I'd do, I was talking about my friends. I think beating him up for playing with my mind for over two years might be a little too much because he is my bestfriend, though I still might of hit him because I'd be very pissed. I dont know if I'd hang with that friend group anymore. I'd still be a spiritual person after that.
 

tyler.durden

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Yes, to me, skeptics are blind to a large part of reality, so I am skeptical of skepticism lol I think I got that from AbandonConflict.
What happens when you apply your skepticism to your own skepticism?

Most of the world must be conspiracy nuts then because most of the world believes in aliens because they dont believe everything authority spoon feeds them.
Most of the world? Gonna needs some links on that. I don't think anyone here allows themselves to be spoonfed, and skepticism applies to governments and their statements as it does to any other claim. Doubt is the rational position to take until evidence is provided. The reason we doubt alien conspiracies is the same reason we doubt all conspiracies, complete lack of evidence...

What evidence is there against the conspiracy?
It's the lack of evidence that is against the conspiracy, as there is no evidence for it...

That video of lights going over the mountains? Please... Who said anything about aliens being captured? I think most aliens are enemies of the government but they have some sort of agreement going on which is partly the reason why aliens havent completely exposed themselves. If there was ever live captured aliens then the aliens would come down and settle that shit behind closed doors, imo.
Cool ideas that haven't a shred of evidence...

The government has sabotaged laboratories of a handful of physicists because of their work on free energy though I havent seen a skeptic here take that claim on yet, Im assuming because they dont take the claim seriously. Its not our fault that you guys wont look at this shit.
AFAIK, no credible links were ever posted. Care to be the first?

No, my friend. You are demonstrating that lol I'll bet my advanced alien weather balloon on it!

Oh, so now you're considering that there is a cover up and that they are able to hide such secrets, but it cant be aliens if it was a cover up? Hmmm...
It's bad taste not to answer my questions regarding this topic, and instead ask more of your own. I do not believe in the coverup, I was positing a hypothetical scenario, like I did about your friend the other day...

No man, you're still making assumptions. Assumptions are made on both sides. You assume everyones minds are being fooled when they see ball of light doing impossible maneuvers in the sky.
I do not think everyone's minds are being fooled whenever they see a ball of light in the sky, I don't know what you mean by impossible maneuvers, if they happen, they aren't impossible. I believe people may see lights in the sky that they can't identify, I just don't assume they are caused by aliens. You do. Regardless of assumptions, the burden of proof still applies...
We do think that what we see can be caused by natural means though, its just that wee see aliens as natural lol. And I dunno about you but Earth seems like an awesome fucking place to visit. If I had the means, I'd go up in space and watch all life on Earth like it was the best reality show ever.
Well, since it's all you've ever known, you have nothing to compare it to. By the by, I'm very fond of it, myself...
This is one so called nutjob conspiracy theory that you guys will never get the upper hand on.
It's not about the upper hand, it's about discovering reality. You seem more interested in 'winning' a argument than discovering the truth. I say argument and not debate, you do not debate as you do not understand/follow any of it's rules...

Sure, if you havent experienced what I've experienced and you are watching me talk about my experiences then yes, your skeptical analysis applies to me because what I said happened is scientifically unbelievable. But I know those explanations are wrong because I know what I've been through. I was specifically talking about my experiences when I said that, not that you should blindly accept everything I said.
Ok, good. Because I don't believe any of it...

What I mean by that is that I've experienced the supernatural and deemed it natural. Yes, the world does need science to confirm it, but I already did some experiments and confirmed it for myself.
They weren't at the level of experiment, only sloppy attempts. Your attempts were weak, there were no controls...

When I said I dont know what I'd do, I was talking about my friends. I think beating him up for playing with my mind for over two years might be a little too much because he is my bestfriend, though I still might of hit him because I'd be very pissed. I dont know if I'd hang with that friend group anymore. I'd still be a spiritual person after that.
Oh, I thought you had a moment of clarity and honesty by admitting that you may have to rethink some things if my hypothetical question were true. That's why I hit the Like button, I wonder if it's too late to take that back...
 

Chief Walkin Eagle

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What happens when you apply your skepticism to your own skepticism?



Most of the world? Gonna needs some links on that. I don't think anyone here allows themselves to be spoonfed, and skepticism applies to governments and their statements as it does to any other claim. Doubt is the rational position to take until evidence is provided. The reason we doubt alien conspiracies is the same reason we doubt all conspiracies, complete lack of evidence...



It's the lack of evidence that is against the conspiracy, as there is no evidence for it...



Cool ideas that haven't a shred of evidence...



AFAIK, no credible links were ever posted. Care to be the first?



It's bad taste not to answer my questions regarding this topic, and instead ask more of your own. I do not believe in the coverup, I was positing a hypothetical scenario, like I did about your friend the other day...



I do not think everyone's minds are being fooled whenever they see a ball of light in the sky, I don't know what you mean by impossible maneuvers, if they happen, they aren't impossible. I believe people may see lights in the sky that they can't identify, I just don't assume they are caused by aliens. You do. Regardless of assumptions, the burden of proof still applies...


Well, since it's all you've ever known, you have nothing to compare it to. By the by, I'm very fond of it, myself...


It's not about the upper hand, it's about discovering reality. You seem more interested in 'winning' a argument than discovering the truth. I say argument and not debate, you do not debate as you do not understand/follow any of it's rules...



Ok, good. Because I don't believe any of it...



They weren't at the level of experiment, only sloppy attempts. Your attempts were weak, there were no controls...



Oh, I thought you had a moment of clarity and honesty by admitting that you may have to rethink some things if my hypothetical question were true. That's why I hit the Like button, I wonder if it's too late to take that back...
What happens when I apply skepticism to my own skepticism? I'd probably come back to reality and accept that aliens probably exist lol. Same thing would happen if you applied skepticism to your skepticism, you'd find it silly to be skeptical of your skepticism.

Im only guessing the majority of the world believes in aliens. The majority of North America does, thats for sure, especially the U.S. Only met a couple kids from my generation who dont believe in aliens.

So now you're saying lack of evidence is evidence, that doesnt seem logical at all. Many things could be provided that most people would find very fishy and even pictures of apparent unnatural structures on the moon can be brought up but you wouldnt want to take the time to check out my sources. I remember one skeptic here was curious and watched a documentary that had him considering the idea of aliens, I cant remember his name. He was quite active when I first found this forum.

Cool indeed, and what evidence would there be, tyler? Oh, there I go again with more typical crazy conspiracy stuff lol.

Heres the link about the free energy stuff. I posted it before but it got no attention. It shows the names of the scientists and physicists that made huge breakthroughs in free energy. Im sure you can look those names up and find a try-hard pseudo-skeptic ranting about how they're a bunch of quacks and charlatans lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Abuj53Y6E

Well if they are covering up our own advanced technology, it seems they have been doing it almost as long as the idea of modern aliens have existed, weird... And why is the advanced technology from 30 years ago not being exposed to the world now?

What I mean by impossible is that its impossible by our standards. Theres no combustion or exhaust from these things, they are completely silent and can turn on a dime at break neck speeds then blast off into hyperspace. At the very least, I think its safe to assume that what ever is doing these things is artificial.

Really? I seem like Im more interested in the winning part about these arguments? I've come to terms with MP on these forums and I used to find him to be the most aggressive skeptic whos looking to seek conflict with lesser minds, but I was wrong. I respect him more now. Though it seems like the younger, more rambunctious skeptics like you, Pad, and Z, its more of a competition of whos dick is bigger and which should get more attention from the audience...

You dont know what I did to confirm my experiences to myself, saying they were sloppy attempts is just an assumption.
 

Zaehet Strife

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What happens when I apply skepticism to my own skepticism? I'd probably come back to reality and accept that aliens probably exist lol.
It shows progress on your front when you admit that they probably exist, rather than claim that you know with certainty they do exist. Keep it up, you may be onto something.
 

tyler.durden

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What happens when I apply skepticism to my own skepticism? I'd probably come back to reality and accept that aliens probably exist lol. Same thing would happen if you applied skepticism to your skepticism, you'd find it silly to be skeptical of your skepticism. Im only guessing the majority of the world believes in aliens. The majority of North America does, thats for sure, especially the U.S. Only met a couple kids from my generation who dont believe in aliens.
You stated it as a fact, that is deceptive. Since you've only met a few people who don't believe in aliens (when we say believe in aliens, we mean ET life visiting our planet, just to be clear), that means the majority of North America does? Your thinking process is a joke...
So now you're saying lack of evidence is evidence, that doesnt seem logical at all.
I'm starting to suspect that you are not as nearly as bright as I once thought. You asked me to show you evidence against the conspiracy, and I pointed out that it's the lack of evidence for the conspiracy that makes its claims specious. Don't hurt yourself over this one...
Many things could be provided that most people would find very fishy and even pictures of apparent unnatural structures on the moon can be brought up but you wouldnt want to take the time to check out my sources. I remember one skeptic here was curious and watched a documentary that had him considering the idea of aliens, I cant remember his name. He was quite active when I first found this forum.

Cool indeed, and what evidence would there be, tyler? Oh, there I go again with more typical crazy conspiracy stuff lol.

Heres the link about the free energy stuff. I posted it before but it got no attention. It shows the names of the scientists and physicists that made huge breakthroughs in free energy. Im sure you can look those names up and find a try-hard pseudo-skeptic ranting about how they're a bunch of quacks and charlatans lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Abuj53Y6E
It took me less than one minute to find out the ideas, and the movie Thrive itself, are total crap - http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/ A key member of the film, John Robbins, repudiated the movie publicly in this letter -
http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2012/06/26/humanity-and-sanity-the-full-text-of-john-robbinss-repudiation-of-thrive-and-its-conspiracy-theories/

Again you demonstrate that you are not concerned with accuracy, facts, logic, reality or critical thinking. All you seem to care about is how cool something seems , and if you believe really, really hard, and ignore all facts and logic and empirical evidence against the cool idea, it might become true. This isn't a Disney movie, I suggest you grow up. Serious question, do you fully support yourself financially? It's hard to believe someone that has a job and takes care of all their responsibilities could get away with attempting to live in such a fairy tale and still function effectively...

Well if they are covering up our own advanced technology, it seems they have been doing it almost as long as the idea of modern aliens have existed, weird... And why is the advanced technology from 30 years ago not being exposed to the world now?
Did you watch the movie your link referred to? Isn't it all about the corporate and gov't conspiracy to suppress advanced free energy technology? Why are you arguing with the line of reasoning that your own link endorses? And lastly, how the fuck do you dress yourself? Or is that begging the question?
What I mean by impossible is that its impossible by our standards. Theres no combustion or exhaust from these things, they are completely silent and can turn on a dime at break neck speeds then blast off into hyperspace. At the very least, I think its safe to assume that what ever is doing these things is artificial.
I know. You think it's safe to assume anything and everything you want to be true...
Really? I seem like Im more interested in the winning part about these arguments? I've come to terms with MP on these forums and I used to find him to be the most aggressive skeptic whos looking to seek conflict with lesser minds, but I was wrong. I respect him more now. Though it seems like the younger, more rambunctious skeptics like you, Pad, and Z, its more of a competition of whos dick is bigger and which should get more attention from the audience...
I don't know what comes to terms means. I would think that you amuse MP and that he thinks some of your ideas are cool. They are certainly more entertaining than the normal scripture-dump we usually see around here. I doubt he takes you or what you have to say seriously, but I cannot speak for him...

You dont know what I did to confirm my experiences to myself, saying they were sloppy attempts is just an assumption.
You went into great detail (way too much detail) on how you tested your friend's telepathic abilities. Those were sloppy attempts with no controls. I only know what you decide to post. Honestly Chief, imo you are a joke: your thinking process, your dishonesty, your deception, your pretense, it's all so immature and self-indulgent masturbation. I think anyone can see this from your exchanges, and through them they know that if they are interested in discovering anything about reality they can safely ignore your posts...

P.S. Get back to me on that support question, if you'd be so kind...
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Your link didn't go where you intended, so I looked it up myself - http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/150417-astrobiologists-discover-fossils-in-meteorite-fragments-confirming-extraterrestrial-life


These findings aren’t a slam dunk, though. According to our in-house biologist John Hewitt, there’s a strong possibility that the fossils aren’t actually biological in nature — they simply look biological. “This is kind of like finding a Q from Scrabble floating in space; it may be worth 10 points, but finding a few Es first would be a bit more convincing,” Hewitt says. There’s also the fact that the research was published in the Journal of Cosmology, a peer-reviewed journal that has come under critical scrutiny numerous times since it was established in 2009. The journal faced a lot of controversy when it published a paper by NASA engineer Richard Hoover claiming to have found fossils “similar to cyanobacteria” in meteorites.

With that said, the work presented in the Cardiff University research paper does seem to be rather professional. X-ray diffraction and scanning electron microscopy are not really the kind of tools that you play around with. It would be rather hard to fake the imagery and results that were generated by Cardiff University — not impossible, but unlikely.
One thing’s for certain, though: For this to actually become science — for Chandra Wickramasinghe’s dream of panspermia to become a reality — this work will need to be replicated by many other groups around the world. It would be very, very exciting indeed if biological fossils have been found on an extraterrestrial meteorite. It would be proof that there’s life on other planets — and essentially a guarantee that the universe is full of life. But, as always, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.


Not confirmed by adequate peer review yet. But even if this pans out to be true, I was referring to intelligent life. My apologies, I should have been more specific...
That was the basic issue with ALH 84001 ... y'know, the "life on Mars!!!" meteorite. The structures are evocative of life if you forgive the cale ... and yet similar structures have been found to form abiotically. Extraordinary claims, an' all. cn
 

tyler.durden

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That was the basic issue with ALH 84001 ... y'know, the "life on Mars!!!" meteorite. The structures are evocative of life if you forgive the cale ... and yet similar structures have been found to form abiotically. Extraordinary claims, an' all. cn


(Thanks for this, Heis)
 

Heisenberg

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"Ancient aliens arguments from ignorance resemble intelligent design “God of the gaps” arguments: wherever a gap in scientific knowledge exists, there is evidence of divine design. In this way, ancient aliens serve as small “g” gods of the archaeological gaps, with the same shortcoming as the gods of the evolutionary gaps—the holes are already filled or soon will be, and then whence goes your theory? In science, for a new theory to be accepted, it is not enough to identify only the gaps in the prevailing theory (negative evidence). Proponents must provide positive evidence in favor of their new theory."

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/06/how_alien_conspiracists_are_just_like_creationists_partner/
 

Nevaeh420

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I needed a haircut in this video, but whatever I don't feel like making another video.




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But My question is this, do you believe that the signs in the clouds that I saw in 2009 were from the aliens too?

Once again, I saw the UFOs on July 2 of 2012 and about a month later I saw a being on top of My neighbors roof wearing a translucent suit. I now believe that what I encountered was aliens. I can not prove that it was aliens but its an assumption that I have made.

So My question is this, do you believe that the signs in the clouds that I saw in 2009 were from the aliens too?

~PEACE~
 

guy incognito

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I needed a haircut in this video, but whatever I don't feel like making another video.




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But My question is this, do you believe that the signs in the clouds that I saw in 2009 were from the aliens too?

Once again, I saw the UFOs on July 2 of 2012 and about a month later I saw a being on top of My neighbors roof wearing a translucent suit. I now believe that what I encountered was aliens. I can not prove that but its an assumption that I have made. So My question is this, do you believe that the signs in the clouds that I saw in 2009 were from the aliens too?

~PEACE~
No I don't. Clouds make crazy shapes all the time.

Lets examine the bold statement. You saw something on your neighbors roof. I believe that. You have no reason to lie, and it seems entirely plausible something was on that roof.

Why do you leap to the conclusion that it was an alien? Here are some alternate explanations:

1. Your mind is playing tricks on you. Your personal experience was real, but does not reflect reality accurately. People have witnessed pink elephants before. People have dreams. Drugs can also induce hallucinations.

2. You saw something terrestrial. It appeared to have an invisibility suit (how the fuck can you see something with an invisibility suit? Doesn't you detecting it visually make it NOT an invisibility suit by definition? - but anyway...) but was really something of this earth that you could not identify.

When you compare either of those options against your assumed position of "it's aliens", don't they seem orders of magnitude more plausible? We have thousands and thousands of cases of people "seeing" things that seem unexplainable, but upon investigation we are actually able to explain them. Sure not every case of a DTM user, or mentally unstable person, or a mentally stable person, or an exhausted or sleep deprived person experiencing "aliens" can be or has been explained, but not a single one has ever been explained as "aliens" (with real evidence) either. Not a single case ever in the history of humanity. None. Not even a single shred of real evidence.

Even if I experienced it first hand. The alien personally communicated with. Interacted with me physically. Unless I could produce solid evidence that would be able to convince other skeptics I would be forced to accept that my mind played tricks on me, or something else (non alien) is playing tricks with me. Either of those options would seem infinitely more plausible than actually being visited by aliens.
 
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