calicat
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What MrEDuck said but he said it much better than I could.
what are you running now ?
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calicat
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Im sure hes just busy with his projects like usual. I recall sometimes I would shoot the shit with that cat one month then hes off working on his lab then 6 months later he returns.
HGK420
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So I bought a 3 pack of emdog just to test out the hype. (Ya know the seed business is all hype) and well I got me a mutant. In gonna take pics and drive somewhere there is Internet to upload so u guys can see this (currently on my phone).
I topped it Fred flintstone style at like 7 or 8 nodes vertical and well it's kinda gone nuts from there.
It grew another maybe 5-6 nodes in the side by side fashion then started the usual single node staggered pattern but its grown 6-7 nodes within a centimeter of vertical growth. Absolute chaos. It's spiraling out too.
I thought maybe a branch got damaged when I first noticed it but every single one of the branches that come from main stem terminate in this fashion after 5-6 side by side nodes. I have 10 or so main branches that are just Narly looking.
Something weird with my grow?
Genetic???
It's really weird il get pics ASAP.
I topped it Fred flintstone style at like 7 or 8 nodes vertical and well it's kinda gone nuts from there.
It grew another maybe 5-6 nodes in the side by side fashion then started the usual single node staggered pattern but its grown 6-7 nodes within a centimeter of vertical growth. Absolute chaos. It's spiraling out too.
I thought maybe a branch got damaged when I first noticed it but every single one of the branches that come from main stem terminate in this fashion after 5-6 side by side nodes. I have 10 or so main branches that are just Narly looking.
Something weird with my grow?
Genetic???
It's really weird il get pics ASAP.
MrEDuck
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As a sativa lover their work has always interested me and I just did some reading about their stock because the P11X beans I have coming.
Ringsixty
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The Animal Cookies are from BC Bud... will see how they turn out.
peace.
thenotsoesoteric
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Buddha's dream 4/5 females in pre sex mode. Got one dude for studding.
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Uncle Ben
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You're buying the label, another stupid name, and ad. I have seen groans from folks that keep feeding the "breeders" mill that complain that there is no stability to their seeds....that every one of the plants from that "11 pack" looks and smokes a bit different. Let's put it this way, if after 40 years of chucking pollen the Dutch haven't got it right by now.....they never will.
I have both landraces and mutts in my personal seedbank collection. I plant them and take it from there. It's not a challenge, not like growing wine grapes for example.
thenotsoesoteric
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Cricket, cricket...........And a hush draws over the crowd.
Nah-uh, I'm better than you. Look what I can do. This is how one would expect a teenager to act.
It's weed, the shit is still illegal in pretty much every country in the world! This ain't monsanto, no billions of dollars on research. So I don't get where people would get the notion that the world's weed seed market would be anything other than, you guessed it, shady. Surprise, surprise.
If you want conformity go grow you some grapes and corn.
Nah-uh, I'm better than you. Look what I can do. This is how one would expect a teenager to act.
It's weed, the shit is still illegal in pretty much every country in the world! This ain't monsanto, no billions of dollars on research. So I don't get where people would get the notion that the world's weed seed market would be anything other than, you guessed it, shady. Surprise, surprise.
If you want conformity go grow you some grapes and corn.
HGK420
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It all depends on the generation the beans are in. You know this right? A good hunk of bodhi's beans are f-1 and if that's the case then know going in that you got the same chances to get a good bean as TGA or anyone else. It's the parental selection that differentiates him from others. And the bx's and f2 and f3 and so on. There are several others out there besides B that are exemplary as well.
And grapes are no different then MJ. They show plenty of variation in early generations.
If your talkin what it takes to grow MJ time and skill wise? Then it's harder then growing grapes for wine if your creating as beautiful of a product as some of us here do. Ya sure you can grow with 20-20-20 and get 8oz of some strong bud off a plant but did you get the most out of that plant?? No not even close. It takes more effort then what most people are willing too put forth to get everything out of MJ.
Samwell Seed Well
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Dutch Seed makers definitively dont have it right . . . GHS and arjan are thieves and charlatans
been that way for 20 years
been that way for 20 years
OGEvilgenius
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Most gardeners aren't really dialed in properly. Not until they start doing tissue analysis, taking sap measurements of various kinds etc. I'd say the skill level involved for all crops is the same if you take your game to the highest level possible.
Uncle Ben
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Cubing. Here's the story that was supposed to be put into a FAQ, until OG went down:
C99 FAQ
The Story:
Princess" is a female which resulted from a seed found in a Jack Herer bud I bought in Amsterdam near the Sensi Seed Bank at "Coffeeshop Sensi Smile". The bud came in a 2gm cello-pack with the Sensi logo; I expected sinsemilla, but it had about 10 seeds so I assume she's an F2 JH. Her characteristics were so fine I wanted to create seeds that would "replicate" this plant. She has the KILLER Haze-influenced high with the
most DELICIOUS pineapple/evil scent, 50 day maturation in 12/12, and incredible resin production, does't stretch - yet clearly Sativa-dominant! Last but not least: Never a hint of hermaphrodism after 2 years of cloning & many different styles of grow.
I wanted to "cube" Princess but add a little beef to her branches because the buds were always too heavy at harvest and branches needed staking to keep from flopping over. I crossed my ShivaSkunk female with
one of the males from the same group of seeds that Princess came from THIS cross produced a male which was then crossed to Princess, creating "P.50" (using a shorthand notation I developed to indicate the fraction of Princess genes in the cross).
Each generation is the result of crossing a male from the previous generation to Princess herself (incestuous, I know).
Blow-by-blow description of the generations:
P.50 = Heavy, single-cola type plants with mellow high (too much influence from the ShivaSkunk) Sweet fruity scent/flavour. Unstable in most traits - for example, 10 days difference in fastest/slowest maturation period in a group of 20 seedlings.
P.75 = Plants leaning MUCH more in the direction of Princess in floral cluster and bud structure, scent/flavour turned more "tropical" like pineapple. The stability was becoming better - two major phenotypes; short & dense (potent too) or tall/HUGE (Not so potent).
P.88 = Renamed Cinderella 88 when first released on the market. It grows fast and produces excellent yields of FROSTY buds in 7 weeks! Generally uniform seedlings with minor differences in floral formation and some height variance, but the smoke is quite consistent from all plants - Dense, heavy nuggets of fruity scented & flavoured (like wild berries) and covered in resin glands, the dried buds have distinctly ORANGE
pistils.
And now P.94 = Cinderella 99. This project has been a huge success. The strain has been embraced by the "net"work of growers with rave reviews. The Bros Grimm too have been recognized for their excellent combination of quality products and unparalleled service after the sale. There's NO OTHER seed bank that has it's breeders on the net answering questions from "newbies" 40 hours/week, and the info is first-rate; even details of their breeding strategies are openly discussed so that the seed buyer can feel well-informed about the products BG offer.
I personally think the plants these Cinderella 99 seeds produce are every bit as good as a cutting from Princess herself (or better). I say better because the flavour of no two plants is "identical"; there's a
personality to all living things. Like Princess herself, Cinderella is sweet & fruity to the palette and nose, and when you take a hit you're BLASTED...with the same "racy" high as Princess! The improvement comes
in the yield department; 25% greater yield and a stronger branch structure, which I accomplished by starting with some ShivaSkunk genes in the original father in the cubing process. I knew I'd blend out the
majority of the traits from ShivaSkunk in the cubing process, but I was hoping to incorporate the ShivaSkunk's stronger branches because Princess had a tendency to need supports in the final two weeks of flowering. As it turns out, I got lucky and it worked. The name suits the strain IMO - its a true Cinderella Story.
A REPOST:
I've been seeing a lot of posts from people asking for the "Cinderella Story", so here it is:
In 1997, I discovered a few seeds in a bud of Jack Herer I bought @ "Sensi Smile" coffeeshop in Amsterdam while there to buy seeds. I didn't expect much when I grew them, but one of those seeds from the JH bud
produced a very special female that I call "Princess".
Therefore Princess' mother was a Jack Herer (IF we can believe what Sensi Smile printed on the package) and her father is a totally unidentified mystery plant.
I also got 2 more females (Genius & Cafe'Girl) & several males from those seeds. I used pollen from one of the males on a heavy-yielding, dense, resinous ShivaSkunk (from Sensi Seedbank) female, then grew the
resulting seeds to get males to produce pollen to cross Princess with, beginning the cubing process.
The first generation of seeds from Princess were called P.50 because they were 50% Princess. I used males from the P.50 generation to back-cross to Princess to get P.75 and again back-crossed with the P.75
pollen to get P.88 and again with the P.88 pollen to get P.94 which is "Cinderella 99", a cubed version of Princess.
The name "Cinderella" was chosen because of the parallels between this story and the well-known fairy tale in which Cinderella becomes a Princess despite her humble beginning. It's also VERY similar to the story of the "Morgan Horse"...go Figure!
SLY's Take:
here is my take on the Cindy story. i DO NOT believe this is a JH hybrid. i don't think it has any JH in it at all, and i've worked with this plant longer and more intensly than anyone other than soul. yes,
soul got it out of a 2 gram bag of JH he bought but i don't believe there was JH in that package regardless of what was on the label. i think the coffeeshop, like many other dealers around. put whatever name
on the packages the public wants to hear. there is NO way IMHO that a cross pollination with any unknown father plant could bring a JH flowering time down to 49 days. the fact that there were other females
out of the same seed batch that had the same flowering time shows it was not and freak. i worked with sensi's JH for several years, so i speak from first hand experience. Cindy is not even close the JH in flowering time or any other JH traits. i've been breeding for years and i have NEVER known a plants flowering time to be brought down that much with one crossing.
IMHO soul stumbled across a gem in the rough and was bright enough to know what he had and was expereinced enough to know what had to be done to it to bring it's full potential out. since i've never seen anything that even resembles cindy on the market i'd say even the person who grew the bud out didn't realize what he had....
Uncle Ben
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Or so Bodhi hawks. Yeah, cricket cricket, chirp chirp and ka ching goes the cash register.
F1? Show me a true F1, Mendelian style.
You mean F20?No they don't. Assay testing, genetic profiling insures stability and quality. You don't have that in the cannabis biz, only hype and labels to go on, at least I've never seen a DNA assay with any beans I've bought in the past. Stability can be had with most tomato hybrids. I guarantee you that if you plant 20 Big Beef tomatoes, a true F1 hybrid, they will have the same profile.
I have a vine that dates back 3,000BC that originated in Greece and is now considered the noble grape from S. Italy, Puglia area, called Aglianico, once named Ellenico after Greek mythology, Hellen of Troy.
There can be a dozen clones within any one grape variety. You order Clone #15 Cab. Sauv. and every one of those vines will have identical phenotypes regarding vigor, cluster profile, berry size, etc. You can't say that for the cannabis industry.
Your chest beating and kinda stretchin' it, don't you think? I (and a group of us that got wise to the lies) grow great pot using a high food N food from start to finish. Of course we can't teach you yungin's anything, you know it all. One of these days you'll realize that it's leaves that produce bud, not bloom foods. Mr. Educk can attest to this "group" of us now migrated to another site who have FINALLY given up on the high P foods and such....after I've been "beating" them up for while.
Me, Home Brewer, DanielsGB, Riddle, Lumi even got Cruz thinking twice about his ways. (That is one guy that grows incredible greenhouse pot.) Looks like HH gets it - https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/151706-uncle-bens-topping-technique-get-250.htmlPot's a weed. If you fail at growing this weed then you need to get back to the basics and hit the Botany 101 books which few ever did in the first place.
HGK420
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Thanks mrEduck was much more succinct and involved less smoke up my ass.
Il agree with the summary tho. No jack herrer to be found there. If it was from a batch of jack then it was that miracle seed.
My question. Why the fuck is it assumed its an f-2. ????? There shouldn't of been a male anywhere near the room and if there was why was it part of the filail line of this plant ?? Wouldn't it of been s-1 or f-1 with a other strain?
colocowboy
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This thread is so far off topic it's not fun any more, Uncle Pirate hijacked it with the help of admins and the rest of you are egging him on.
unsubbed.....
unsubbed.....
HGK420
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For obvious reasons its been a little hard to get a DNA database going for MJ.Or so Bodhi hawks. Yeah, cricket cricket, chirp chirp and ka ching goes the cash register.
F1? Show me a true F1, Mendelian style.
No they don't. Assay testing, genetic profiling insures stability and quality. You don't have that in the cannabis biz, only hype and labels to go on, at least I've never seen a DNA assay with any beans I've bought in the past. Stability can be had with most tomato hybrids. I guarantee you that if you plant 20 Big Beef tomatoes, a true F1 hybrid, they will have the same profile.
I have a vine that dates back 3,000BC that originated in Greece and is now considered the noble grape from S. Italy, Puglia area, called Aglianico, once named Ellenico after Greek mythology, Hellen of Troy.
There can be a dozen clones within any one grape variety. You order Clone #15 Cab. Sauv. and every one of those vines will have identical phenotypes regarding vigor, cluster profile, berry size, etc. You can't say that for the cannabis industry.
Your chest beating and kinda stretchin' it, don't you think? I (and a group of us that got wise to the lies) grow great pot using a high food N food from start to finish. Of course we can't teach you yungin's anything, you know it all. One of these days you'll realize that it's leaves that produce bud, not bloom foods. Mr. Educk can attest to this "group" of us now migrated to another site who have FINALLY given up on the high P foods and such....after I've been "beating" them up for while.
Pot's a weed. If you fail at growing this weed then you need to get back to the basics and hit the Botany 101 books which few ever did in the first place.
You know big beefs are lacking one major thing most of the time right. Flavor. U want uniform giant harvest buds? Female seeds ww x big bud. Grew like tomatoes. Taste about like a tomato vine too.
As for the grapes.... Again, want a cookie? There can be a dozen varieties in any one strain of MJ too. If more people planted seeds they would see this. To many people expect to find a certain "formula" when they plant a seed instead of just seeing what greatness might come. In time we will be able to get the full on stability that comes with generations large scale breeding projects. We are in the infancy of the MJ seed business.
Who said anything about high N and P foods? You came to te wrong place to try and reassure yourself. Most people on this thread don't even discuss much what we use. We just assume that the others are doing well. The pics we've all shared gave us faith in each others abilities whatever they may be. Be it tiger bloom or bat guano or super micro organism armies, we've got every avenue covered in one way or another.
Pot is a weed. It's ez to just "grow" but to perfect it takes a ton of practice. It's the most sensitive plant I've worked with. One seed to the next could be totally different nutrient needs. If your working for perfection that is.
Anyone can draw a smiley face but only with practice can you paint the Mona Lisa.