Well Here Goes Again
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Danielsgb
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Final Soil Mix
2 c. ft Cheap Top Soil
1 .c ft Vermiculite
1 c. ft Peat Moss
1 c. ft Perlite
1.5 cups Blood Meal
1 cup Bone Meal
.5 cup Dolomite Lime (crushed fine)
.5 cup Humic Acid time release mix from my Uncle Wes
.25 cup Epsom Salt
.5 lb. Alfalfa Hay
I'll re-mix it and send a sample to Texas A&M for an analysis. I went with around a half pound of the Alfalfa Hay for its Triacontanol, a natural plant growth stimulant found in alfalfa.
I picked up 4 lbs of Jack's $17.50 should be good for a couple dozen from seed to harvest.
Suck it AN.
Daniels
2 c. ft Cheap Top Soil
1 .c ft Vermiculite
1 c. ft Peat Moss
1 c. ft Perlite
1.5 cups Blood Meal
1 cup Bone Meal
.5 cup Dolomite Lime (crushed fine)
.5 cup Humic Acid time release mix from my Uncle Wes
.25 cup Epsom Salt
.5 lb. Alfalfa Hay
I'll re-mix it and send a sample to Texas A&M for an analysis. I went with around a half pound of the Alfalfa Hay for its Triacontanol, a natural plant growth stimulant found in alfalfa.
I picked up 4 lbs of Jack's $17.50 should be good for a couple dozen from seed to harvest.
Daniels
Danielsgb
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I think the peat does have enough. I haven't had any problems with the last mix.
My uncle is a farmer and rancher who grows hay, & other stuff. He said he likes this time release one. I'm not positive this is the one he uses, but it's the only one I can find & he said there's only one he knows of. He cleaned out some farm equipment he uses to spread it, so gave me a big bag. Like 40 to 50 lbs. It is mostly the humic acid, but some other stuff too. Iron, Sulfur, Fulvic acid, but hard to know all of what his mix was. He mixes by 100's lbs per acre.
I'm going for the best soil I can make.
http://www.kalyx.com/store/proddetail.cfm/ItemID/896841/CategoryID/12000/SubCatID/2795/file.htm
Let me try. Some I know, some I'll guess.
Top soil $8
peat moss I buy by a 4 c ft bag, so for 1 c. ft maybe $5, maybe less
Perlite $8
Vermiculite $10
other supplements I buy by a bag for many batches so for 1 mix $10
Alfalfa hay $2
All for 5 c. ft of soil.
Daniels
Uncle Ben
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Final Soil Mix
2 c. ft Cheap Top Soil
1 .c ft Vermiculite
1 c. ft Peat Moss
1 c. ft Perlite
1.5 cups Blood Meal
1 cup Bone Meal
.5 cup Dolomite Lime (crushed fine)
.5 cup Humic Acid time release mix from my Uncle Wes
.25 cup Epsom Salt
.5 lb. Alfalfa Hay
I'll re-mix it and send a sample to Texas A&M for an analysis.
Smart, looks like your all set. They'll charge you $15 for the complete analysis. It's well worth it. I'd add a little water until its slightly damp, let it sit for a few days (or week or two if you have the time), mix again and send off a sample for testing. In the old days, I'd store it in large garbage cans. Now it's in big piles outside.
Compost and peat provide a lot of humic/fulvic acids. You'll not need any additives.
If you get burn, salts stress, it's because of the blood meal. For an organic, it's a pretty fast N release. I've used so much that I could actually smell ammonia coming from my pots - not good. BUT, the microbial action on the hay may eat quite a bit of your N. Just gonna have to wait and see. If it was me, I'd being using alfalfa horse cubes. Then again, that's all I've ever used. Also, triacontanol is a hormone, too much is not a good thing. I had a link to the symptoms of using excessive amounts. I'm sure the info is still out there.
Jack's - if you can find an ag chemical company, you can buy this stuff very cheap as well as a thousand other items. Look for an Estes or BWI company in your area. BWI has a minimum order of $250 to include free delivery. On the Jacks, you should be able to buy a 25 lb. bag for around $25. Stuff is super hygroscopic (which is good, means it's very pure)...... so if you buy this quantity, divvy it up with friends and seal the rest under very low RH conditions.
Have fun,
Ben
Danielsgb
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For some reason I get a picture of you on a front end loader stirring huge piles, with a huge Doobie of an Heirloom Sativa.
I'll dampen my sample & let it sit a week first. I love that analysis. For $15, it's a steal.
I didn't know Blood Meal is a pretty fast release, thanks.
I mainly want to use that mix my Uncle gave me so I can tell him I did and if it helps. I can actually show & tell about these gardens now.
I tried to find alfalfa meal, then tried for pellets. The closest big farm & ranch was out, so the hay was best I could do. I'll look for a sign of the excess. If the hay eats the N then maybe it won't be too hot. With the blood meal & whatever my uncles mix added I'm a little worried it would be too hot. My mix was well over the CL level from A&M. I'll till the hay into the flower garden & look for the others when I need another batch of soil.
25 lb. bag? If only I had an army of common sense growers. I only know a few growers around here. One loppi pops, but finally accepts AN is bullshit, 1 runs hydro & buys into all of AN bullshit. 
I'm sure my uncle could add whatever I want to his supplies coming. He's full organic, cause he feeds his cows with his Hay. I can see some of it, for crop rotation etc. I've read how when people over do it, it can be bad. Run off issues they say.
We get Fish Emulsion by the 5 gal. bucket from him. That's enough for a couple years. I bet neighbors love it when I foliar feed the 8 Alberta Spruce every few weeks. I got 3 Lilacs the deepest green I've ever seen on any.
Thanks for taking a look at this mix. I'll have an analysis in about three weeks.
Daniels
I'll dampen my sample & let it sit a week first. I love that analysis. For $15, it's a steal.
I didn't know Blood Meal is a pretty fast release, thanks.
I mainly want to use that mix my Uncle gave me so I can tell him I did and if it helps. I can actually show & tell about these gardens now.
I tried to find alfalfa meal, then tried for pellets. The closest big farm & ranch was out, so the hay was best I could do. I'll look for a sign of the excess. If the hay eats the N then maybe it won't be too hot. With the blood meal & whatever my uncles mix added I'm a little worried it would be too hot. My mix was well over the CL level from A&M. I'll till the hay into the flower garden & look for the others when I need another batch of soil.
25 lb. bag? If only I had an army of common sense growers.
I only know a few growers around here. One loppi pops, but finally accepts AN is bullshit, 1 runs hydro & buys into all of AN bullshit. I'm sure my uncle could add whatever I want to his supplies coming. He's full organic, cause he feeds his cows with his Hay. I can see some of it, for crop rotation etc. I've read how when people over do it, it can be bad. Run off issues they say.
We get Fish Emulsion by the 5 gal. bucket from him. That's enough for a couple years. I bet neighbors love it when I foliar feed the 8 Alberta Spruce every few weeks. I got 3 Lilacs the deepest green I've ever seen on any.
Thanks for taking a look at this mix. I'll have an analysis in about three weeks.
Daniels
xivex
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Thats a pretty damn good mix daniels. I used a modified version of subs super soil minus several ingredients. Used most of that but no bone or blood meal or alfalfa. Whats the main benefits of alfalfa? Also, i added azomite to my mix cuz it sounded too good to not add... That seems like the only thing your missing man...not that youd need it. But hey it may help ! Check it out..
http://www.azomite.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=66&Itemid=11
Id lve to see the summary of your soils analysis. Thats very cool that texas a&m does that. Well worth the money!
X
http://www.azomite.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=66&Itemid=11
Id lve to see the summary of your soils analysis. Thats very cool that texas a&m does that. Well worth the money!
X
gumball
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Have fun man, be safe!
bekindbud
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Have a safe trip and bring some eggs to bomb them douche bags!!! Good luck.
Peace
BKB
Uncle Ben
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nah, I save it for later. I found out real quickly how dangerous a tractor can be.For some reason I get a picture of you on a front end loader stirring huge piles, with a huge Doobie of an Heirloom Sativa.
I guess what I'm saying is the composting should be done before you mix it in, or you could grind it up first. You could also top dress your pots with an inch or so of hay. I've never had a problem with cubes, then again I probably only use about 2 quarts per 30 gal. of mix. I've begun playing with compost dressing in pots and the plants seem to love it. When I do my avocados in raised beds I'm going to top dress with at least 4" of compost, pine needles, hay, etc. This simulates their natural environment which is a forest floor leaf litter bed of 8" deep or so.
The dampening and storage of the mix for a while lets the microbes do there thing before you put your plants into it.
More eco hysteria, propaganda. You're only using a 1 tsp/gallon and they're salts you find in ALL organic matter. There are run off issues using manure, just ask the neighbors of a fella who has a stockyard down the road. He must be feeding 1,000 sheep and cows at any given time and the water table is totally screwed up for a radius of a mile . There's lots of chemicals or potential for chemicals in organics. If there weren't, they'd be ineffective.25 lb. bag? If only I had an army of common sense growers.
I'm sure my uncle could add whatever I want to his supplies coming. He's full organic, cause he feeds his cows with his Hay. I can see some of it, for crop rotation etc. I've read how when people over do it, it can be bad. Run off issues they say.
Sounds great.
In case anyone is wondering, here's the testing costs. The $15 test is really comprehensive. http://soiltesting.tamu.edu/files/soilwebform.pdf There are other tests such as for manure/compost too. http://soiltesting.tamu.edu/webpages/forms.html
Later,
UB
Danielsgb
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Avocados, must be nice to be able to do those crops. That can only be done indoors here as far as I know. I'm gonna do some raised beds for veggies this summer. I was gonna go something like 50% compost 40% vermiculite 10% soil. Still in the research & planning stage. I'm gonna do a trellis for beans & peas on the far side.
I'm making something so we can start composting soon. My sample has been wet, now drying and I'll send it off Monday. I'm gonna add this hay to the pile of soil from my plants. We'll spread it out when we work on the main flower bed. I'll get the cubes or meal for the next batch, but that will be a few months. I've never done any top dressing so I may have to mess with it.
Thanks for adding a bit of wisdom, UB
I made it back from the hearing. I have a story or two to tell.
I have some updates coming from what I did this afternoon.
Daniels
I'm making something so we can start composting soon. My sample has been wet, now drying and I'll send it off Monday. I'm gonna add this hay to the pile of soil from my plants. We'll spread it out when we work on the main flower bed. I'll get the cubes or meal for the next batch, but that will be a few months. I've never done any top dressing so I may have to mess with it.
Thanks for adding a bit of wisdom, UB
I made it back from the hearing. I have a story or two to tell.
I have some updates coming from what I did this afternoon.
Daniels
Danielsgb
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I moved them from the Cfl to under the 250W CMH. They are at least 2' away. They were under 22/2, now 20/4. They look like they'll need watered soon. I've heard these are finicky. Seems like they are since I'd be on the first dose of Jack's by now compared to all others I've grown, but I see disaster by that too soon.
Daniels
Daniels
Danielsgb
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I was at the hearing today. Opponents of the repeal outnumbered those for repeal 8 to 1. Cherie Brady looked sad and tired. She's the Mormon leader of the safecommunities/safekids group. I think she had less of her Bunch to heap a pile of B.S. full of Lies than she was hoping for.
James Knox breaking into tears was hilarious. He is a real tool.
I saw Rep. Milburn R.Cascade who sponsored the bill, admitted, if they cant get this repeal they would lose another vote of the people. He admitted that we werent tricked or fooled. I think he's realizing he doesn't have support in the Senate. They have lied and his county is pissed at him.
How dare they repeal a vote of 62%
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I'm sure it is far from over but I think we will end up winning.
Daniels