"We got to vote for Joe Biden like our lives depended on it." -Michelle Obama

cannabiscrusader said:
They are all crooks. Pick the one you don't mind standing behind you with both hands on your hips while they get rich
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OK, then. I'll play. I choose the one who didn't conspire to enact and then attempt a bloody coup to overturn the results of the 2020 election, and then justify his actions by falsely claiming it was rigged. Can you suggest a better criteria?
 
Fogdog said:
I'm boggled that Trump was even a consideration by the GOP as a candidate, much less given a good chance to win the election in the fall. I don't understand.
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Because you are being exposed to a relentless hammering from mainstream media. Parties rely on real polls to nominate politicians and Trump was way ahead.
 
zem said:
Because you are being exposed to a relentless hammering from mainstream media. Parties rely on real polls to nominate politicians and Trump was way ahead.
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So it's better to listen to obscure news sources, i.e. Infowars, et al? Not sure I agree with that. LOL.

I believe it's more in the context of seeing MAGA folks stomping around in diapers, like everyone can actually see it, but I still can't believe it's happening. To be fair, I also struggle with how people could look at Bobo Beetlejuice or space laser Marge and think "that's who I want representing me".
 
CANON_Grow said:
So it's better to listen to obscure news sources, i.e. Infowars, et al? Not sure I agree with that. LOL.

I believe it's more in the context of seeing MAGA folks stomping around in diapers, like everyone can actually see it, but I still can't believe it's happening. To be fair, I also struggle with how people could look at Bobo Beetlejuice or space laser Marge and think "that's who I want representing me".
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least they ain’t godless gunless deviated prevert Commies!1!

 
zem said:
Because you are being exposed to a relentless hammering from mainstream media. Parties rely on real polls to nominate politicians and Trump was way ahead.
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I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that. Could you give me an example of what mainstream media said regarding the January 6 attack on the US Capitol Building that misleads me into thinking Trump had a role in that which renders him unfit to be president ever again?
 
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CANON_Grow said:
So it's better to listen to obscure news sources, i.e. Infowars, et al? Not sure I agree with that. LOL.

I believe it's more in the context of seeing MAGA folks stomping around in diapers, like everyone can actually see it, but I still can't believe it's happening. To be fair, I also struggle with how people could look at Bobo Beetlejuice or space laser Marge and think "that's who I want representing me".
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That's what I don't understand about @zem 's post. Just hours into Nov 4, 2020 and well before the vote count had been completed, Trump said this:

"This is a fraud on the American public. This is an embarrassment to our country. We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, we did win this election," he said, adding, "We want all voting to stop."

abcnews.go.com

A timeline of Donald Trump's election denial claims, which Republican politicians increasingly embrace

Donald Trump transformed election denialism from a bug into a feature of Republican politics with his two White House bids
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He had zero evidence of fraud at the time he made that statement. He could not have had evidence. The first round of counting had not even finished and he was not only saying there was voter fraud but he was trying to use the power of the president to halt the count. In the months following the election, Trump's campaign lost 60 court cases in which they tried to challenge election results. In some of those appearances before the court, his lawyers even admitted (because they were under oath) that they had no evidence to support their claim of fraud.

So, I'm just supposed to take their word for it, when every time the case went before a court, they failed? So, I'm open to whatever zem wants to post to support his claims. I'll read it. But I'm not just going to take the word of him or Trump. I wouldn't expect them to take my word either. What I don't understand is why they won't accept Trump's lawyer's own words. They have no evidence to substantiate their claim. Meanwhile, Trump's administrations own elections security officer reported that the 2020 election was not compromised and put out this statement:

“The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history. Right now, across the country, election officials are reviewing and double checking the entire election process prior to finalizing the result.

“When states have close elections, many will recount ballots. All of the states with close results in the 2020 presidential race have paper records of each vote, allowing the ability to go back and count each ballot if necessary. This is an added benefit for security and resilience. This process allows for the identification and correction of any mistakes or errors. There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.

“Other security measures like pre-election testing, state certification of voting equipment, and the U.S. Election Assistance Commission’s (EAC) certification of voting equipment help to build additional confidence in the voting systems used in 2020.

“While we know there are many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process of our elections, we can assure you we have the utmost confidence in the security and integrity of our elections, and you should too. When you have questions, turn to elections officials as trusted voices as they administer elections.”

Joint Statement from Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council & the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Executive Committees | CISA

The members of Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC) Executive Committee – Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Assistant Director Bob Kolasky, U.S. Election Assistance Commission Chair Benjamin Hovland, National Association of Secretari
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As a reminder this isnt your 6 group of guys personal forum area, other people are allowed to use this portion of the website and you do not need to harass them for coming in and making a post that isnt against tos

not everyone is interested in being essentially ganged up on and backed into a corner everytime they want to participate.

This forum isnt what it was 3 years ago and you guys need to remember that.

Other people are allowed their space here , this isnt your personal playground.
 
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