Ways to reduce power

Hobbes

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sorry hobbes i dont understand anything you wrote ... the pics speak for itself.
AJ the best way to reduce electrical use is to add a light mover. If you are using both your 600W HPS and 600W MH for flowering you can use a light rail with a 6' rail and an 8' x 3' cage as shown in my picture - and use only one light, cutting your electrical bill in half and increasing your yield per square foot.

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The second best way to (increase yield / reduce flowering time) is to switch to a low stress training method (bending, that's it) that keeps the stem horizontal and the branches stick up like small plants.

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The third best way, and simplest, is to use a strain like Endless Sky by Dr Greenthumb - 6 week flower pheno, large yielding [500 grams per square meter when grown Sea Of Green, small plants] - instead of a longer flowering strain with less yield - for example Strawberry Cough by Dutch Passion - 9 weeks, 350 grams)

For the above example, in 18 weeks of flower:

Endless Sky has (3 harvests x 6 weeks per harvest): 3 Harvests x 500 grams per harvest = 1500 grams every 4 months.

Strawberry Cough has (2 harvests x 9 weeks per harvest): 2 harvests x 350 grams per harvest = 750 grams every 4 months.

We only have to grow half as much to get the same yield.

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Start with one thing, if you're not fanatical about your strain that's the easiest place to start. Check out the Spectrum of Effect reports to get an idea of what you might want:

https://www.rollitup.org/smoke-reports/244210-kali-mist-serious-seeds.html
https://www.rollitup.org/smoke-reports/220871-bubblegum-serious-seeds.html
https://www.rollitup.org/smoke-reports/310164-jack-ripper-spectrum-effect-report.html
https://www.rollitup.org/smoke-reports/309641-pandoras-box-spectrum-effects-report.html
https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/317701-pandoras-box-subcool-spectrum-effects.html
https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/317702-jillybean-subcool-spectrum-effects-report.html

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DJ Short

The first spectrum to consider is the "up and down". "Up" refers to the stimulating aspects of cannabis, while "down" refers to sedative qualities. Up pot tends to liven the disposition and stimulate the emotions, inspiring sociability and talkativeness. Down pot tends to produce sedative and depressant effects. Some people refer to stimulating pot as being a "head" high and sedative pot as being a "body" high, yet although partially true this is also misleading.

Body and head highs are the next spectrum of the cannabis experience. Generally speaking, head highs are stimulating and body highs are sedative, but not all are. Some body highs are stimulating and some head highs are depressing. I once sampled a terribly paranoia-inducing head pot that inspired great couch lock qualities. I called it Boo-Goo.

Early to late harvest will affect the head to body spectrum expressed by a certain plant, with the later harvest tending to produce more body and sedative effects. However, I believe that certain aspects of this spectrum to be genetically inherited.

Next to consider are aspects of duration. Some cannabis tends to be short-acting (15-30min) whereas other varieties last much longer (6-7 hours). Once again production, harvesting and curing techniques can influence aspects of this spectrum, but much of this effect is inherited.

For me, the most important aspect of the cannabis experience to consider is tolerance. This refers to the product's ability to provide the same experience via the same amount over time – the burnout factor. By "over time" I mean the long run: months, years, decades...

Most of the cannabis I see on the market today has a terrible tolerance factor – a quick burnout time with the product's novelty lasting less than a week. Luther Burbank's model of breeding needs to be employed here and no expression of tolerance to your product is to be tolerated. An example of where intolerance to tolerance is tolerated – enough already!

Another aspect of tolerance is "ceiling." This refers to how high (or far) one is capable of going with the variety. How many hits can you consume until more hits are unnoticeable? Most indicas have a low ceiling of less than 10 hits. For me that's usually around 5 hits in one smoking session. If I smoke more than 5 hits of a strong indica I will either not notice the post-ceiling hits, or I will fall asleep.

Some sativas have a very high ceiling, or seem to have none at all! This means that the more you consume, the higher and further you go. Oaxaca Highland Gold, Black Magic African, and Highland Thai were some of the herbs I've tried with very high or no ceiling.

The final aspect of mental effects to consider when sampling strains for breeding is the tendency to produce anxiety. Certain strains of cannabis increase anxiety while others decrease it. This is also true for other emotions, which some strains may suppress while others may augment their intensity. Generally stimulating and head varieties are the ones that can produce unwanted anxiety, but this is not always the case. Quickly cured buds or an over-early harvest are contributing factors to anxiety-increasing pot, but this trait is also genetic in nature.

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AJ if you want to incorporate any one of these ideas pick your first choice and I'll give you a hand making it simple. You should be easily able to yield 2 grams (4 week cured, 8%-11% cut weight) of bud per watt within a couple of grows, 4-5 grams if you want to invest 15 minutes a day gardening and 2 hours a day researching, getting the ideas sorted in your head.

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bongsmilie
 

Medi 1

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what....4 to 5 gram a watt....ya ok, and you cant change the flower times, thats genetics.
hes talking power useage and you post about the strains and high effects. dont make sence. and most cant replicate what breeders claim as we dont have their rooms.


The second best way to (increase yield / reduce flowering time) is to switch to a low stress training method ....what...how does Lst change flower times. it to keep the tops low. has nothing to do with timing
 

ajgrow

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but the ac is whats bringing more airflow thrw the room and cut down on the heat from the room RIGHT? even tho i have 2 Oscillating fans running in the room.

so what you guys are says the AC is really not requierd for my plant's air flow and temp RIGHT?
 

Total Head

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what....4 to 5 gram a watt....ya ok, and you cant change the flower times, thats genetics.
hes talking power useage and you post about the strains and high effects. dont make sence. and most cant replicate what breeders claim as we dont have their rooms.


The second best way to (increase yield / reduce flowering time) is to switch to a low stress training method ....what...how does Lst change flower times. it to keep the tops low. has nothing to do with timing


incorrect. the more exposed tops and leaves the more energy the plant can take in. yes, this does reduce flowering time for the same reason a plant grown under a 600w hps will mature faster than the same plant grown under cfl. and simply increasing the yeild per crop using the same amount of light counts as the equivelant of reducing the power.
 

Hobbes

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what....4 to 5 gram a watt....ya ok, and you cant change the flower times, thats genetics.
hes talking power useage and you post about the strains and high effects. dont make sence. and most cant replicate what breeders claim as we dont have their rooms.


The second best way to (increase yield / reduce flowering time) is to switch to a low stress training method ....what...how does Lst change flower times. it to keep the tops low. has nothing to do with timing
Medi you are correct to be incredulous.

Please follow this link for picture proof and procedures. Anyone who wants to yield 6 gallons from a 600 watt light (2.5 grams of 4 week cured bud per watt HPS, 10% of cut weight) is welcome to drop in.

https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/360125-new-growers-needed-grow-lab.html#post4545779

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"you cant change the flower times, thats genetics."

I can change flower times by drilling holes in my floor.

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bongsmilie
 

Hobbes

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but the ac is whats bringing more airflow thrw the room and cut down on the heat from the room RIGHT? even tho i have 2 Oscillating fans running in the room. ... so what you guys are says the AC is really not requierd for my plant's air flow and temp RIGHT?

That will depend on your ambient temperature, if you're growing in your attic in Arizona in the summer you may want air conditioning. But in general: drawing the hot air from the top of the grow cage; feeding fresh air in through a raised floor in the grow cage (up through the canopy); having lights on at night when it is cooler and many utilities have lower power rates - will keep things cool enough.

The Air Floor is in post 7 of the thread linked above. Will reduce flowering time.

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bongsmilie
 

Medi 1

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this dosnet make any sence...we dont want tpo grow gallons. we want oz`s.????..........................Anyone who wants to yield 6 gallons from a 600 watt light (2.5 grams of 4 week cured bud per watt HPS, 10% of cut weight)

the so small of a diff in flower times is not even noticable....like a couple days. and cant compare this to using a cfl to A HID. 2 different subjects. ive had Lst and non in same grow same strains and all was chopped within a day or 2 of each other. in fact have cut non topped or lst first. more leaf exposed does make more energy...and that makes more growth no a fast flowerring time nor does it make them rippen faster. again. thats set in dna/genetics
funny this is way higher than anyone on the net has been able to do so why you not famous being able to get 4 times what anyone else can....and claiming its from Lst. Lst will even slow the growth till it heals




I can change flower times by drilling holes in my floor.
..........ya ok.
 

gregk

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thats ok thats the fun of growing! if you read this site hardcore like a crack fiend in a month you'll know alot!
 

heathaa

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you only have two reasonable options. one is you can change all your bulbs to cfls. the other option is to move them outside cuz its flower time. if you move them outside you can turn off all the power to your plants
 

rambler420

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biggest way to reduce power is to replace all the lights in your house to CFLs. Most people have 75w-100w in their household lamps, hallway overhead lights, ceiling fan lights, bathroom lights, etc. Reduce those to the 13w CFLs. BIG difference. Change your outside porchlights, etc., too.

Close your blinds/curtains when you leave the house. It will keep some of the heat out, making your AC work less.

change the filters in your air intake. Makes your AC work less.

I added a 600w HPS and a 400w MH and my bill only went up about $150.
 

gudkarma

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I added a 600w HPS and a 400w MH and my bill only went up about $150.
i'm on the east coast, too. same $ amounts.
let me break it down for ya'll.

there are twelve hours a day i go nearly 1800w (total system : lights, intake, exhaust, floor fans, cloner, etc).
the other twelve i go 950w.

as a licensed contractor, i say:

led or cfl lights in your fixtures. outside too.
stop turning off the water heater, your wasting more than u know. just lower the temp
maximize daytime light.
use appropriate window covers & treatments.
caulking gaps & all the other obovious stuff you can do in a home.

even insulating your grow space can save you bucks. i know that helps me.

light mover is a great idea. i plan to spend $130, or whatever, on a 4' light mover myself. i will be able to remove a 150w light from my flower room AND save 3.2 amps in the process.

candles = cool.
before i got married, the ladies definitely loved that.

efficient appliances.

shit, if you look around your house, you can cut back everywhere in some way, become more efficient another way, and still live good ...and ...grow the lovely maryjane.

you'll find on ebay solar panel (three panel) kits that easily run your electric water heater (or a bunch of cfls) with minimal hook-up drama. seriously easy to do as an upgrade to an electric water heater... a little more skill required for adapting to existing house lighting.

the kit is about $500 & you still need several deep cycle batteries & assorted stuff to get it running.

honestly, i am like : fuck what it costs to run electric.

when you die, you're dead forever.
if you can, have the ability, are fortunate, get dat hussle $ going, and love to grow ===> live good now.

$150 extra on electric PALES in comparison to the weight (afghan kush, kaya48, & dank bagseed plants) i pull every 60-ish days. no bragging. assholes in my area are selling bullshit "dank" for $125 a quater ounce.

even when i hook my two hommies up with 2 o-zees each for stupid cheap pricing, which is all i "sell", that money covers my whole house electric cost for 3 months. :joint:
 

twistedwords

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Get a bike and hook up a generator to it, get on the bike and start peddling. You will get in shape and conserve energy. You 1000 watt light shouldnt make the electric bill go up more than 20 bucks a month. Stop growing if you can't afford that or get a second job. Seriously, a small window AC unit uses more energy than your lights.
 

ajgrow

Member
i have money i just dont want the power company to ask any questions but as you guys say $150 more a month isnt that noticable so thanx for the info
 

dr. greenthumbz

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Good info hobbes I've noticed u always have sumthin good to say for a long time now, there are very few of us left. Since nobody said it I guess either nobody knows or just forgot to mention. If u run ur lights for the majority of the time off peak (9pm-7am mon-fri, sat, & sun) then u get charged a small fraction of wat u normally pay. It will make a big difference. I was runnin around 1800 (1000 plus fans for flowering 400 plus fans for veg) and my bill only changed by about fifty bucks.
 

dr. greenthumbz

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And as far as the electric company goes u can run 3600watts before they even look at u. Make sure ur bill stays paid though.
 
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