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doublejj

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Russian Submarine Captain Assassinated | Breaking News With The Enforcer

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A Russian submarine captain was shot 4 times in Krasnodar, leading to his death. Not only was he the commander of the Krasnodar submarine, but he was a part of the city's conscription office. Who could have killed him? Meanwhile a Russian spy was arrested in Poland Today, as NATO draws up a response plan for Russian aggression. NATO will also be inviting Zelensky to the NATO summit in Brussels. Turkey also made an intreresting offer that the EU and NATO couldn't refuse.
EXPLAINED: Russian Commander Shot Dead After Posting Runs on Strava Running App
Ukraine’s Defense Intelligence has confirmed the shooting and included some very specific details about what happened to Stanislav Rzhytsky, even the type of gun used.

 

sweetisland2009

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So Biden has said he will not support Ukraines admission into NATO because that would mean we’re at war with Russia, while simultaneously sending billions in military weaponry into Ukraine that is then used to war with Russia…..

He is signing away thousands of lives and Billions of dollars and for what? What is the defined pathway to peace?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
So Biden has said he will not support Ukraines admission into NATO because that would mean we’re at war with Russia, while simultaneously sending billions in military weaponry into Ukraine that is then used to war with Russia…..

He is signing away thousands of lives and Billions of dollars and for what? What is the defined pathway to peace?
Not letting Russia win.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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So Biden has said he will not support Ukraines admission into NATO because that would mean we’re at war with Russia, while simultaneously sending billions in military weaponry into Ukraine that is then used to war with Russia…..

He is signing away thousands of lives and Billions of dollars and for what? What is the defined pathway to peace?
There is no defined pathway to peace, to expect one is unrealistic, to be polite...
He is giving aid to an ally, a country that was trying to better itself, who did nothing to instigate the russian's aggression.
This way he is avoiding having to send NATO troops into the conflict, which would be MUCH more likely to cause a nuclear response from putin, and perhaps some of his allies, like CHINA...
 

Bagginski

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Let's talk about Sweden and NATO....
Worth pulling up the significance of Sweden: Sweden has been a neutral, non-combatant nation for ~120 years at least; their military is robust, and they’ve been apparently quite comfortable in their neutrality.

For Sweden to reverse that stance *in response* to Putin’s European Vacation is not a huge shift in might or firepower, but it is a HUGE shift in the political center of gravity in Europe; from mild appeasement & ‘benign neglect’ thru concern to ‘clear & present danger’. Sweden’s entry adds mass to that center & will anchor NATO’s support for & in Ukraine
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Worth pulling up the significance of Sweden: Sweden has been a neutral, non-combatant nation for ~120 years at least; their military is robust, and they’ve been apparently quite comfortable in their neutrality.

For Sweden to reverse that stance *in response* to Putin’s European Vacation is not a huge shift in might or firepower, but it is a HUGE shift in the political center of gravity in Europe; from mild appeasement & ‘benign neglect’ thru concern to ‘clear & present danger’. Sweden’s entry adds mass to that center & will anchor NATO’s support for & in Ukraine
Perhaps their technically quite interesting warplanes will expand their role beyond being used in advertisements for quirky and now defunct automobiles.
 

BudmanTX

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little msg from Zelensky:

"We all need certainty - in particular, institutional certainty. And it is very good that the NATO-Ukraine Council can really give us the necessary institutional certainty. It is important for us that the NATO-Ukraine Council will be an instrument of integration, not just partnership. Thank you for that! While we are on our way to NATO membership, Ukraine needs effective security guarantees on the way to the Alliance. We now have an appropriate package of guarantees, and I ask you to support and join it. Such support will give our joint work a much-needed concrete and practical success. It is now established that no Membership Action Plan will be required on the path to Ukraine's membership in NATO. And this is fair. Thank you for this recognition. I would also like to draw your attention to the wording regarding the "conditions" that we must meet in order to receive an invitation to NATO. The absolute majority of our people expect specifics about these conditions. We perceive them as security conditions. We understand that Ukraine cannot become a member of NATO while the war is ongoing. But then it will be our common strength when Ukraine joins the Alliance."

seems they Nato and Ukraine have set the terms
you can read it here:

There was also an agreement with the G7 people and Ukraine as well....Ukraine has a lot of work to do.....js
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Worth pulling up the significance of Sweden: Sweden has been a neutral, non-combatant nation for ~120 years at least; their military is robust, and they’ve been apparently quite comfortable in their neutrality.

For Sweden to reverse that stance *in response* to Putin’s European Vacation is not a huge shift in might or firepower, but it is a HUGE shift in the political center of gravity in Europe; from mild appeasement & ‘benign neglect’ thru concern to ‘clear & present danger’. Sweden’s entry adds mass to that center & will anchor NATO’s support for & in Ukraine
Both Finland and Sweden saw their chance when Russia was being defeated by Ukraine, everybody recognized the mighty Russian army was a myth. Invading Ukraine along with war crimes pushed the public over the edge in both countries, both are powerful assets to NATO and make the Baltic a NATO lake. They saw an opportunity with Russia tied down in Ukraine and losing while public sentiment shifted towards joining NATO, Russia was in no position to fuck with them while they joined either and now that they are part of NATO the Russians are screwed. Nato is now 32 nations strong and will likely pick up a few more new members in coming years, Ukraine among them.
 

printer

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Birds of a feather.

DeSantis joins Trump in opposing cluster bombs for Ukraine
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), who is running for president in 2024, spoke out Wednesday against the Biden administration’s decision to provide Ukraine with cluster munitions, joining former President Trump in opposing the move.

“Would you support sending cluster bombs to Ukraine, like some of the other Republican candidates, or are you opposed to it?” host Howie Carr asked DeSantis in an interview on “The Howie Carr Show.”

“I don’t want to do anything that’s gonna escalate this conflict. I think that right now you have an open-ended blank check. There’s no clear objective for victory. And this is kind of dragging on and on,” DeSantis said, adding that the danger is this could escalate or “end up just going on for years.”
“So, yes or no to cluster bombs if you were president?” Carr pressed the Florida governor.

“I would not do that, no. I think it runs, I think it probably runs a risk of escalation. Basically what I said from the beginning is no weapons that could lead to attacks inside Russia or escalating the conflict. We cannot become involved in this directly,” DeSantis said.
The administration last week announced plans to provide Ukraine with the controversial weapons. The bombs contain several submunitions that can lay dormant after they’ve been deployed, posing risks to civilians.

President Biden, who is running for reelection in 2024, defended the call, saying it was a “very difficult decision” and explaining that a factor is “the Ukrainians are running out of ammunition.”

Trump, who lost his reelection bid to Biden in 2020 and is running for another four years in the White House in 2024, said this week that Biden “should not be dragging us further toward World War III by sending cluster munitions to Ukraine.”

DeSantis, who has been polling as a top Republican contender after Trump, also raised concerns in the Wednesday interview that sending the weapons to Ukraine could “diminish our own stockpiles and prevent us from being able to respond to exigencies around the world.”

“What if something happens in the Indo-Pacific? What, we just don’t have an ability to respond? So there’s a whole host of things around the world that we’ve got to be concerned with and I think Biden is ignoring a lot of other threats,” DeSantis said.

Trump’s former Vice President Mike Pence has backed the Biden administration’s move. He told Fox News‘s “America’s Newsroom” that he welcomes the decision to send cluster munitions, and that the U.S.’s interest is “to give the Ukrainian military the means to repel Russian aggression.”
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Birds of a feather.

DeSantis joins Trump in opposing cluster bombs for Ukraine
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), who is running for president in 2024, spoke out Wednesday against the Biden administration’s decision to provide Ukraine with cluster munitions, joining former President Trump in opposing the move.

“Would you support sending cluster bombs to Ukraine, like some of the other Republican candidates, or are you opposed to it?” host Howie Carr asked DeSantis in an interview on “The Howie Carr Show.”

“I don’t want to do anything that’s gonna escalate this conflict. I think that right now you have an open-ended blank check. There’s no clear objective for victory. And this is kind of dragging on and on,” DeSantis said, adding that the danger is this could escalate or “end up just going on for years.”
“So, yes or no to cluster bombs if you were president?” Carr pressed the Florida governor.

“I would not do that, no. I think it runs, I think it probably runs a risk of escalation. Basically what I said from the beginning is no weapons that could lead to attacks inside Russia or escalating the conflict. We cannot become involved in this directly,” DeSantis said.
The administration last week announced plans to provide Ukraine with the controversial weapons. The bombs contain several submunitions that can lay dormant after they’ve been deployed, posing risks to civilians.

President Biden, who is running for reelection in 2024, defended the call, saying it was a “very difficult decision” and explaining that a factor is “the Ukrainians are running out of ammunition.”

Trump, who lost his reelection bid to Biden in 2020 and is running for another four years in the White House in 2024, said this week that Biden “should not be dragging us further toward World War III by sending cluster munitions to Ukraine.”

DeSantis, who has been polling as a top Republican contender after Trump, also raised concerns in the Wednesday interview that sending the weapons to Ukraine could “diminish our own stockpiles and prevent us from being able to respond to exigencies around the world.”

“What if something happens in the Indo-Pacific? What, we just don’t have an ability to respond? So there’s a whole host of things around the world that we’ve got to be concerned with and I think Biden is ignoring a lot of other threats,” DeSantis said.

Trump’s former Vice President Mike Pence has backed the Biden administration’s move. He told Fox News‘s “America’s Newsroom” that he welcomes the decision to send cluster munitions, and that the U.S.’s interest is “to give the Ukrainian military the means to repel Russian aggression.”
Soft on Russia and soft on terrorism...
 
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