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How Belarus is being used by Russia for its war on Ukraine | Askold Krushelnycky
51,546 views Jun 27, 2022 "Putin was disappointed and angry actually that Belarus didn't throw its army into the war directly." Times reporter Askold Krushelnycky says Russia has transferred "more powerful missiles and aeroplanes" to Belarus, from which attacks were launched on Chernihiv this weekend.
so russia can have "allies" if you can consider a frightened belarus an ally, who are cooperating because they don't want to be next if ruissia survives...
that seems to make it fair for NATO to be Ukraine's ally...i can't believe that Canada has the balls to be in Ukraine, even as teachers and advisors, while the rest of NATO sits on their hands so they won't upset putin....we live in a world that seems to be evenly divided between homicidal madmen and cowardly placaters..
 

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https://www.lawfareblog.com/russias-demonstration-army-red-flag-us-security-force-assistance

this explains a little of the russian's ineptitude...
and also makes me wonder how many nations have sent similarly trained troops to NATO...
It means supporting liberal democracies that have the social flexibility and confidence to give lower ranks more authority. In a dictatorship or authoritarian government, loyalty to the regime is paramount and ridged slave armies are required, lower ranks with military training and initiative are problem when commanded by loyal idiots. The difference between the training and performance of Russians and Ukrainians comes directly from their political cultures and kinds of governments they have. The Russian army cannot change until Russia does, it can improve, but not make the fundamental shift required.

I still figure when they are worn down and destroyed enough, Ukraine will drive them from their land sooner than many suspect. The photo of their latest general does not inspire confidence, he would be an easy target to identify and would make a real mess if hit by an artillery round!
 

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so russia can have "allies" if you can consider a frightened belarus an ally, who are cooperating because they don't want to be next if ruissia survives...
that seems to make it fair for NATO to be Ukraine's ally...i can't believe that Canada has the balls to be in Ukraine, even as teachers and advisors, while the rest of NATO sits on their hands so they won't upset putin....we live in a world that seems to be evenly divided between homicidal madmen and cowardly placaters..
I thing Belarus being involved in this war is something Poland would like and I'm sure they have a contingency plan in conjunction with Ukraine, they are pretty tight allies. It would be seen as more of an opportunity by the wise than a problem, if Belarus attacked Ukraine. I'm pretty sure it would trigger a coup or revolution and Russians fighting in Belarus, provided they have anything to fight with and the Belarussians cut the rail links between Russia and themselves. Any new government in Belarus would be immediately recognized and supported by Ukraine and Poland.
 

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Russia strikes crowded Ukraine shopping mall, says Zelensky
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky alleged on Monday that Russia had hit a crowded shopping mall in the Kremenchuk region and said the casualties were “impossible to imagine.”

Sharing the video from the strike on his Telegram account, Zelensky said: “The mall is on fire, firefighters are trying to extinguish the fire, the number of victims is impossible to imagine.”

He added that there was “no danger to the Russian army” and the shopping mall had posed “no strategic value” at all.

According to Zelensky, people at the mall “only wanted to live a normal life, which is what angers the occupiers so much.”

“Out of helplessness, Russia continues to hit ordinary people. It is vain to expect it to be reasonable or humane,” he added.

The video shows a large structure engulfed in flames with a crowd running outside.

The deputy head of the office of the president Kyrylo Tymoshenko confirmed that two people had died and 20 had been injured in the strike, the BBC reported. Officials say the numbers are likely to rise.

“A rocket attack on Kremenchuk hit a very crowded area, which is 100% certain not to have any links to the armed forces. There are killed and injured people,” Kremenchuk Mayor Vitaliy Maletskiy said on Facebook.

NATO said Monday that it plans to significantly increase its quick-reaction force “to well over 300,000” soldiers.

Russia’s ongoing invasion of Ukraine has entered its fourth month and has resulted in the deaths of thousands of people on both sides. More than 8 million Ukrainian citizens have been displaced by the war.

Over the weekend, Zelensky shared an emotional note on the toll of the war on Ukrainians and said that “no Russian missiles, no strikes can break the morale of Ukrainians.”

Zelensky is meeting with G7 leaders who are gathered in Germany via video link.
 

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Russia strikes crowded Ukraine shopping mall, says Zelensky
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky alleged on Monday that Russia had hit a crowded shopping mall in the Kremenchuk region and said the casualties were “impossible to imagine.”

Sharing the video from the strike on his Telegram account, Zelensky said: “The mall is on fire, firefighters are trying to extinguish the fire, the number of victims is impossible to imagine.”

He added that there was “no danger to the Russian army” and the shopping mall had posed “no strategic value” at all.

According to Zelensky, people at the mall “only wanted to live a normal life, which is what angers the occupiers so much.”

“Out of helplessness, Russia continues to hit ordinary people. It is vain to expect it to be reasonable or humane,” he added.

The video shows a large structure engulfed in flames with a crowd running outside.

The deputy head of the office of the president Kyrylo Tymoshenko confirmed that two people had died and 20 had been injured in the strike, the BBC reported. Officials say the numbers are likely to rise.

“A rocket attack on Kremenchuk hit a very crowded area, which is 100% certain not to have any links to the armed forces. There are killed and injured people,” Kremenchuk Mayor Vitaliy Maletskiy said on Facebook.

NATO said Monday that it plans to significantly increase its quick-reaction force “to well over 300,000” soldiers.

Russia’s ongoing invasion of Ukraine has entered its fourth month and has resulted in the deaths of thousands of people on both sides. More than 8 million Ukrainian citizens have been displaced by the war.

Over the weekend, Zelensky shared an emotional note on the toll of the war on Ukrainians and said that “no Russian missiles, no strikes can break the morale of Ukrainians.”

Zelensky is meeting with G7 leaders who are gathered in Germany via video link.
America is giving Norwegian built AA missiles to Ukraine, buying them from Norway. However Norway is also a fabulously wealthy country and has been equipping Ukraine with long range artillery too. Things like this atrocity will mean more missile defense systems and more arms flowing in to Ukraine, the same goes for whenever they threaten to use nukes, the answer is yet more arms announcements. Cutting off Europe's gas and oil just makes it worse for the Russians and removes their leverage and future markets. Europe will have little alternative than to develop Ukrainian oil and gas resources and I see they are dropping the freeze on investment for it in general. Germany and Poland would rather use Ukrainian gas than burn coal, considering it's ease and speed of development, just the Russian army is in the way...
 

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Media: the Pentagon believes that the Russian Federation did not aim at a residential building in Kyiv
A residential building in Kyiv was not the target of the Russian army and was damaged in an attempt to strike at an enterprise that produces ammunition. This was stated by a source in the Pentagon.

“These apartments adjoined or were located next to a factory where, as we know, ammunition is produced for Ukrainians. This indicates that in this case, in particular, they were trying to hit a military target, ”the source said during a telephone briefing. The information is reported by RIA Novosti. The source also noted that the United States is aware of the casualties among civilians during the shelling on Sunday.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation said that Russian missiles hit the shops of the Artem Rocket-Building Corporation in Kyiv, the website reports. MK.R. They produced ammunition for Ukrainian multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS). According to the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Igor Konashenkov, Ukraine tried to shoot down shells, but hit its own missiles, one of which fell on a residential building, they say "Neva news". Russia has been conducting a special operation in Ukraine since February 24. According to Russian President Vladimir Putin, the priority of the Russian army is to strike at military infrastructure.

Well at least they admited they hit a residential area.

Putin warned the outbreak of nuclear war
This is the signal of the President of the Russian Federation on the eve of the NATO summit
The President of the Russian Federation warned a nuclear war in Eastern Europe, political analysts explain to URA.RU his meeting with President of the Republic of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko on June 25. Vladimir Putin's decision to modernize the aviation of Belarus and supply the nearest ally with Iskander-M missile systems became a signal from the United States and NATO, concentrating troops near the Russian Federation. The Russian leader was forced to strengthen the security of the Union State by the blockade of Kaliningrad and the deployment of US nuclear weapons in the EU, political analysts say.

Putin held official talks with his Belarusian counterpart in St. Petersburg. They were timed to coincide with the 30th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations. However, the presidents have been preparing for them for two days. But this part of Lukashenka's visit to Russia remained behind the scenes - the parties called it informal.

 

Roger A. Shrubber

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https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/27/economy/russia-debt-default-sanctions/index.html

shit starts to go sideways for the russians...now, even if sanctions are lifted, no bank in the western world will touch them for decades...
and the facade will continue to crumble. sanctions have real time results, and the russians have been covering them up, but the cracks are spreading, and soon the entire wall of lies will fall, and the world will see that they are in real trouble...more than they already seem to be, that is...
 

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Media: the Pentagon believes that the Russian Federation did not aim at a residential building in Kyiv
A residential building in Kyiv was not the target of the Russian army and was damaged in an attempt to strike at an enterprise that produces ammunition. This was stated by a source in the Pentagon.

“These apartments adjoined or were located next to a factory where, as we know, ammunition is produced for Ukrainians. This indicates that in this case, in particular, they were trying to hit a military target, ”the source said during a telephone briefing. The information is reported by RIA Novosti. The source also noted that the United States is aware of the casualties among civilians during the shelling on Sunday.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation said that Russian missiles hit the shops of the Artem Rocket-Building Corporation in Kyiv, the website reports. MK.R. They produced ammunition for Ukrainian multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS). According to the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Igor Konashenkov, Ukraine tried to shoot down shells, but hit its own missiles, one of which fell on a residential building, they say "Neva news". Russia has been conducting a special operation in Ukraine since February 24. According to Russian President Vladimir Putin, the priority of the Russian army is to strike at military infrastructure.

Well at least they admited they hit a residential area.

Putin warned the outbreak of nuclear war
This is the signal of the President of the Russian Federation on the eve of the NATO summit
The President of the Russian Federation warned a nuclear war in Eastern Europe, political analysts explain to URA.RU his meeting with President of the Republic of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko on June 25. Vladimir Putin's decision to modernize the aviation of Belarus and supply the nearest ally with Iskander-M missile systems became a signal from the United States and NATO, concentrating troops near the Russian Federation. The Russian leader was forced to strengthen the security of the Union State by the blockade of Kaliningrad and the deployment of US nuclear weapons in the EU, political analysts say.

Putin held official talks with his Belarusian counterpart in St. Petersburg. They were timed to coincide with the 30th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations. However, the presidents have been preparing for them for two days. But this part of Lukashenka's visit to Russia remained behind the scenes - the parties called it informal.

Putin dwelled on the topic of food security in the world. He noted that at the BRICS summit, many leaders spoke about interruptions in the supply of food and fertilizers, and rising prices. “Russia and Belarus are the largest suppliers of fertilizers to the world market. We have 15 percent of world trade and 25 percent for certain types of fertilizers. The lack of fertilizer, of course, reduces the prospects for next year's harvest. All this is very sad. We agreed to take all actions to meet the demands of our customers,” Putin said.

For both Russia and Belarus, the most pressing issue is both their own security and security in the world as a whole, Putin noted. “In Europe, the Americans have 200 tactical nuclear weapons, mostly atomic bombs in six European countries that are members of NATO. 257 aircraft have been prepared for their possible use. You can answer in reverse. But not worth it. We need to take care of the security of the Union State and other CSTO countries,” the Russian President noted.

Putin promised Lukashenka to help strengthen the Armed Forces of Belarus. “The Belarusian army is armed with a large group of SU-25 aircraft. They can be re-equipped (modernization should be carried out at aircraft factories in Russia) and training of flight crews can begin.

Lukashenka did not hide his concern about the training flights of US and NATO aircraft in Europe, which are “ready to carry nuclear warheads”. “It really annoys us… You can’t joke, we remember 1941, when we were lulled to sleep that everything was quiet, no one would attack, and then we weren’t ready. We must be ready for anything, even for the use of the most serious weapons, in order to protect our fatherland from Brest to Vladivostok,” Lukashenka stressed.

The Belarusian leader admitted that he is also "annoyed by the situation that Poland and Lithuania are carrying out." “This is a policy of confrontation. I don’t understand why they need it, but it’s clear that they are standing behind their backs, pushing. The policy is disgusting. The behavior is aggressive.

The situation in Eastern Europe is really alarming - the NATO grouping is strengthening there, confirms Vladimir Kozin, a leading expert at the Center for Military-Political Studies at MGIMO. “The US and NATO are preparing a theater of military operations here. A group is being formed that can use various types of weapons against the Union State. The closest point is US tactical nuclear weapons in Germany, as well as in Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy and Turkey. Since the United States has withdrawn from the treaty on the elimination of intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles, no one will prevent them from deploying new types of missiles on the European continent, ”the military expert explains.

In addition, according to Kozin, the United States plans to introduce a missile defense base of operations in Poland, where both defensive and offensive missiles - the Tomahawk class - can be used. NATO forces will continue to strengthen against Russia and Belarus, the political scientist is sure. “Putin therefore made such a decision. We cannot sit and wait for mercy from NATO adversaries.

If Poland or Lithuania start shelling Belarus, the situation will escalate, this will lead to a third world, nuclear war, believes Andrey Suzdaltsev, deputy dean of the Faculty of World Economy and World Politics at the Higher School of Economics. This scenario, according to the political scientist, is being avoided. “Belarus is under the nuclear umbrella of Russia. Putin's decision shows that Russia and Belarus are allies. Europe is very afraid of the word "blockade" in relation to the Kaliningrad region - it is linked there with the word "aggression". This will mean that a war has begun against Russia - we are forbidden to transport goods within the country. It's like shutting down transportation between Moscow and St. Petersburg. Russia must feel the firmness of the rear - Belarus. We need solidarity,” Suzdaltsev said.

Against the backdrop of the concentration of nuclear weapons in Europe, it is important for Russia to “strengthen its borders,” political analyst Dmitry Nechaev explained to URA.RU. “We need to create a balance of power in Europe, and for this now there are favorable conditions,” the expert concluded.
liars, thieves, and rapist...can't expect anything better from people like that.
 

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Russia’s failure to mobilize reinforcements for the war against Ukraine
7,695 views Jun 27, 2022 Mass mobilization in Russia. According to British intelligence, such a scenario is quite possible. Meanwhile, the Kremlin is denying such decisions, claiming that the so-called special operation is going according to plan. In fact, the Russian army is bogged down in personnel shortages. Lack of motivation, losses on the battlefield and poor provision of troops - do not play into the hands of the aggressor.
 

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Why is Kaliningrad crucial to the war in Ukraine? - BBC News
95,517 views Jun 27, 2022 Russia has made threats after the EU sanctioned the Russian region of Kaliningrad, which is cut off from the rest of the country. The BBC’s Ros Atkins explains why this is so important to the progression of the war in Ukraine.
 

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Will the war in Ukraine be over by the end of this year? | General Sir Richard Shirreff
9,304 views Jun 27, 2022 Time to invite you into our daily "Briefing Room", where one of our leading tactical and strategic minds - with years of experience as a general officer at the highest level of military command, shares their insights into the current state of the war in Ukraine. Joining us today is the Former Deputy Supreme Allied Commander Europe for NATO, General Sir Richard Shirreff. President Vlodomyr Zelensky has told the G7 he wants the war over by the end of the year, is that realistic?
 

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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-medvedev-says-any-nato-encroachment-crimea-could-lead-world-war-three-2022-06-27/

the thing is though, it wouldn't be WW3...it would be how ever many nukes russia could launch, till NATO and the U.S. annihilate them from the face of the earth...there would be no boots on the ground combat, or very very little...there would be millions dead, huge swathes of russia, Europe, possibly the U.S. irradiated...but life goes on, and we would be rid of the rabid russians once and for all.
recent research indicates that the whole nuclear winter scenario is vastly less damaging than it was thought it might be, so the only real damage would be to those urban population centers hit with warheads.
i do not want millions to die, but i would be ok with wiping russia from the face of the earth, now and forever.
 

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Medvedev declared Russia's deep respect for the people of Ukraine
Deputy Chairman of the Security Council Medvedev said that Russia has deep respect for the people of Ukraine

Deputy Chairman of the Security Council Dmitry Medvedev , in an interview with Arguments and Facts, said that Russia, during a special military operation in Ukraine, is fighting Nazis and bandits, and has deep respect for the population of the country.

According to him, Russia is not fighting the Ukrainian people. “The fight is against nasty Nazis, extremist groups, notorious bandits and foreign mercenaries who have joined them,” he said.

The politician called the Nazis "scoundrels" and added that they do not represent the Ukrainian people. “And one cannot but feel deep respect for the Ukrainian people. The citizens of Russia are connected with him by the closest ties,” he stressed.

Earlier, President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky , speaking to representatives of the G7 (G7) countries, expressed a desire to end the conflict in the country before the start of winter. At the same time, he said that, despite the statement about the desire to resolve the confrontation before the end of the year, it is still too early to apply diplomatic methods.

Kyiv requested an urgent meeting of the UN Security Council on Ukraine
Permanent Representative Kyslytsya requested an urgent meeting of the UN Security Council on Ukraine

Permanent Representative of Ukraine to the UN Serhiy Kyslytsya requested an urgent meeting of the Security Council on the situation in the country. It is reported by RIA Novosti with reference to the diplomat's letter to the chairman of the UN Security Council .

“I have the honor to request an urgent meeting of the UN Security Council ... under the agenda item “Maintaining peace and security in Ukraine,” follows from the appeal.

A meeting on security in Ukraine is scheduled for Tuesday at 15:00 (22:00 Moscow time). Kislitsa also asks UN Secretary General António Guterres to report to the Security Council . A Ukrainian diplomat accused Russia of rocket attacks on civilian infrastructure on June 25-27.

Ukraine demanded to hold an urgent meeting of the UN Security Council
Kyiv demanded to hold an urgent meeting of the United Nations Security Council (UN Security Council) on the situation in Ukraine. This is stated in a letter from Ukrainian Permanent Representative to the UN Serhiy Kislytsya.

“I have the honor to request an urgent meeting of the UN Security Council <…> under the agenda item “Maintaining Peace and Security of Ukraine,” Serhiy Kislitsa says in a letter, RIA Novosti reports. It is noted that the meeting is scheduled for 22:00 Moscow time on June 28.

Russia had previously launched a special operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine. Russian President Vladimir Putin said that this was a forced decision necessary to protect the inhabitants of Donbass from genocide by the Kyiv regime and nationalists. Putin noted that the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) regularly carried out punitive operations in the Donbass.

Polyansky suggested that in Kremenchug there was a provocation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the style of Bucha
Polyansky compared the footage of the fire in Kremenchuk with the provocation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Bucha

Dmitry Polyansky, First Deputy Permanent Representative of Russia to the UN, suggested that "the attack on the shopping center in Kremenchug" was another Ukrainian provocation. He wrote about this on Twitter.

On Monday, footage of a shopping center in Kremenchug engulfed in flames appeared on social networks.

Earlier, the Russian Ministry of Defense called all photographs and videos published by the Kiev regime, allegedly testifying to crimes in Bucha , another provocation. As noted in the department, during the time this settlement was under the control of the Russian army, not a single local resident suffered from any violent actions.

They also stressed that all units completely left Bucha on March 30, and exits from the city in the northern direction were not blocked, while the southern outskirts, including residential areas, were fired around the clock by Ukrainian troops from large-caliber artillery, tanks and multiple launch rocket systems.

On February 24, Russia launched a special operation to denazify and demilitarize Ukraine . As Vladimir Putin stressed, its goal is "to protect people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide by the Kyiv regime for eight years."
 

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Medvedev declared Russia's deep respect for the people of Ukraine
Deputy Chairman of the Security Council Medvedev said that Russia has deep respect for the people of Ukraine

Deputy Chairman of the Security Council Dmitry Medvedev , in an interview with Arguments and Facts, said that Russia, during a special military operation in Ukraine, is fighting Nazis and bandits, and has deep respect for the population of the country.

According to him, Russia is not fighting the Ukrainian people. “The fight is against nasty Nazis, extremist groups, notorious bandits and foreign mercenaries who have joined them,” he said.

The politician called the Nazis "scoundrels" and added that they do not represent the Ukrainian people. “And one cannot but feel deep respect for the Ukrainian people. The citizens of Russia are connected with him by the closest ties,” he stressed.

Earlier, President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky , speaking to representatives of the G7 (G7) countries, expressed a desire to end the conflict in the country before the start of winter. At the same time, he said that, despite the statement about the desire to resolve the confrontation before the end of the year, it is still too early to apply diplomatic methods.

Kyiv requested an urgent meeting of the UN Security Council on Ukraine
Permanent Representative Kyslytsya requested an urgent meeting of the UN Security Council on Ukraine

Permanent Representative of Ukraine to the UN Serhiy Kyslytsya requested an urgent meeting of the Security Council on the situation in the country. It is reported by RIA Novosti with reference to the diplomat's letter to the chairman of the UN Security Council .

“I have the honor to request an urgent meeting of the UN Security Council ... under the agenda item “Maintaining peace and security in Ukraine,” follows from the appeal.

A meeting on security in Ukraine is scheduled for Tuesday at 15:00 (22:00 Moscow time). Kislitsa also asks UN Secretary General António Guterres to report to the Security Council . A Ukrainian diplomat accused Russia of rocket attacks on civilian infrastructure on June 25-27.

Ukraine demanded to hold an urgent meeting of the UN Security Council
Kyiv demanded to hold an urgent meeting of the United Nations Security Council (UN Security Council) on the situation in Ukraine. This is stated in a letter from Ukrainian Permanent Representative to the UN Serhiy Kislytsya.

“I have the honor to request an urgent meeting of the UN Security Council <…> under the agenda item “Maintaining Peace and Security of Ukraine,” Serhiy Kislitsa says in a letter, RIA Novosti reports. It is noted that the meeting is scheduled for 22:00 Moscow time on June 28.

Russia had previously launched a special operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine. Russian President Vladimir Putin said that this was a forced decision necessary to protect the inhabitants of Donbass from genocide by the Kyiv regime and nationalists. Putin noted that the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) regularly carried out punitive operations in the Donbass.

Polyansky suggested that in Kremenchug there was a provocation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the style of Bucha
Polyansky compared the footage of the fire in Kremenchuk with the provocation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Bucha

Dmitry Polyansky, First Deputy Permanent Representative of Russia to the UN, suggested that "the attack on the shopping center in Kremenchug" was another Ukrainian provocation. He wrote about this on Twitter.

On Monday, footage of a shopping center in Kremenchug engulfed in flames appeared on social networks.

Earlier, the Russian Ministry of Defense called all photographs and videos published by the Kiev regime, allegedly testifying to crimes in Bucha , another provocation. As noted in the department, during the time this settlement was under the control of the Russian army, not a single local resident suffered from any violent actions.


They also stressed that all units completely left Bucha on March 30, and exits from the city in the northern direction were not blocked, while the southern outskirts, including residential areas, were fired around the clock by Ukrainian troops from large-caliber artillery, tanks and multiple launch rocket systems.

On February 24, Russia launched a special operation to denazify and demilitarize Ukraine . As Vladimir Putin stressed, its goal is "to protect people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide by the Kyiv regime for eight years."
i have known some very good liars over the years. i've never been a good liar myself, my memory isn't good enough.
you would think someone with as much practice at lying as the russians have, would be much better at it.
how many times are the russians going to accuse the Ukrainians of killing their own citizens?
i was going to suggest they should consult with trump about lying...but, he's not that good at it either.
maybe they can practice on each other?
 

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i have known some very good liars over the years. i've never been a good liar myself, my memory isn't good enough.
you would think someone with as much practice at lying as the russians have, would be much better at it.
how many times are the russians going to accuse the Ukrainians of killing their own citizens?
i was going to suggest they should consult with trump about lying...but, he's not that good at it either.
maybe they can practice on each other?
It is not hard to lie when you have trained your population to believe you.
 

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Europe can end the war in Ukraine as quickly as they want by supporting Ukraine, in war resolution. Ukraine is our ally and they are being attacked by our enemy and we need to do everything possible short of direct war to assist them. The goal is the trapping and destruction of the Russian army while liberating of all of Ukraine. There are solid security, energy and economic reasons for doing this, other than the humanitarian and moral reasons. It is the right thing to do and it is obvious, you can't bargain or deal with Putin, that is Ukraine's job and they must speak from a position of strength and freedom of action. This is a war that must be won, so get on with the job of winning it, if Russia wants to commit national suicide over Crimea, so be it, bad leadership. The only thing standing between EU energy independence with Ukraine, is the Russian army, destroy it and and you can have the oil and gas. If morality and common sense doesn't work, greed usually does.


'Peace is not available with Putin' | William Hague
 

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Lot's of beards in this war, lot's of grey beards too with men in their 40,s and 50s in Ukrainian combat units, it is not an exclusive 20 to 30 something war, like those in Vietnam and Iraq, but in Iraq too the troops tended to be older. In Ukraine we see a spectrum of ages among soldiers and grey beards on the battlefield along with freaky haircuts and tattoos are common. In this multigenerational fight of brothers in arms, where father and son are in uniform, along with a few grandfathers too.
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Ukraine's Foreign Legion: Soldiers Speak Of Historic Fight For Democracy
278,078 views Jun 27, 2022 Soldiers from around the world join Ukraine's foreign legion to help with "the most important conflict in the last 50 years," as one American volunteer said. Experienced Western soldiers are impressed with what their Ukrainian counterparts have done but say they want to achieve NATO-level standards.
 

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Ukraine war shows limits of drone warfare
In early June, as the U.S. was rushing to provide financial and military support for Ukraine, reports said that four American-made Gray Eagle drones would be part of the package. These are armed drones that are larger than the well-known Predator drone, which became a symbol of the global war on terror. However, the planned sale of these few expensive, complex drones has run into some hurdles because of concern that they might get shot down and their sophisticated systems could fall into Russian hands.

When Russia invaded Ukraine, it put a renewed spotlight on the use of armed drones in conventional wars: The world saw how armed drones might work when both countries have them — and both have air defenses that can shoot them down. Previously, countries that had a plethora of drones generally were fighting wars against insurgents or groups/countries that didn’t have drones. This was the case with the U.S. experience in Afghanistan, for example.

Early reports from Ukraine said that Ukraine’s two dozen Turkish Bayraktar drones, a UAV that is smaller than the Predator, were able to take out Russian forces. One report praised these drones for changing the “nature of warfare.” However, now reports about the success of the Bayraktar in Ukraine have slackened. It’s unclear whether the drones are simply not operating near the new front lines in the Donbas, or whether they are running low on the missiles they use.

The nature of drone warfare is that it is clandestine; militaries don’t acknowledge that their drones may not be working well. In a conflict where everyone has smartphones, if drones are being used someone probably will take videos of them. This is because drones tend to be loud, like a flying lawnmower, and you can often see or hear them from the ground. The Associated Press reported that a video posted online on June 22 showed an alleged Ukrainian kamikaze drone flying into a Russian refinery.

Western countries want to supply Ukraine with armaments and a variety of drones are on the shopping list, including kamikaze drones such as the small Switchblade made in the U.S. These won’t turn the tide anytime soon. In eastern Ukraine, where fighters in Kyiv face a tough battle with Russian troops, the limits of drone warfare appear to be on display. Conventional weapons, such as masses of artillery, are wreaking havoc. With only a few complex armed drones, Ukraine can’t afford to use or lose its drones.

The “era of the drone” hasn’t arrived because countries that use them often don’t deploy enough of them, or are afraid to lose them in battle. In conflicts where they have been used, such as in Libya, they didn’t turn the tide. Despite widespread employment, drones didn’t stop the Taliban in Afghanistan. One can blame wider political policies for this result, asserting that countries simply haven’t given drone operators free rein to use them successfully.

Nevertheless, the current limitations on use of drones in war is related to the supply of drones and operating guidelines for their use. To wage a large-scale drone war, the countries that use them need more than a few armed drones — and they need to not fear losing some of them. The whole point of unmanned aerial vehicles is that they can be used for dull, dirty, dangerous missions, especially those in which a country doesn’t want to risk sacrificing pilots.
 

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Ukraine war shows limits of drone warfare
In early June, as the U.S. was rushing to provide financial and military support for Ukraine, reports said that four American-made Gray Eagle drones would be part of the package. These are armed drones that are larger than the well-known Predator drone, which became a symbol of the global war on terror. However, the planned sale of these few expensive, complex drones has run into some hurdles because of concern that they might get shot down and their sophisticated systems could fall into Russian hands.

When Russia invaded Ukraine, it put a renewed spotlight on the use of armed drones in conventional wars: The world saw how armed drones might work when both countries have them — and both have air defenses that can shoot them down. Previously, countries that had a plethora of drones generally were fighting wars against insurgents or groups/countries that didn’t have drones. This was the case with the U.S. experience in Afghanistan, for example.

Early reports from Ukraine said that Ukraine’s two dozen Turkish Bayraktar drones, a UAV that is smaller than the Predator, were able to take out Russian forces. One report praised these drones for changing the “nature of warfare.” However, now reports about the success of the Bayraktar in Ukraine have slackened. It’s unclear whether the drones are simply not operating near the new front lines in the Donbas, or whether they are running low on the missiles they use.

The nature of drone warfare is that it is clandestine; militaries don’t acknowledge that their drones may not be working well. In a conflict where everyone has smartphones, if drones are being used someone probably will take videos of them. This is because drones tend to be loud, like a flying lawnmower, and you can often see or hear them from the ground. The Associated Press reported that a video posted online on June 22 showed an alleged Ukrainian kamikaze drone flying into a Russian refinery.

Western countries want to supply Ukraine with armaments and a variety of drones are on the shopping list, including kamikaze drones such as the small Switchblade made in the U.S. These won’t turn the tide anytime soon. In eastern Ukraine, where fighters in Kyiv face a tough battle with Russian troops, the limits of drone warfare appear to be on display. Conventional weapons, such as masses of artillery, are wreaking havoc. With only a few complex armed drones, Ukraine can’t afford to use or lose its drones.

The “era of the drone” hasn’t arrived because countries that use them often don’t deploy enough of them, or are afraid to lose them in battle. In conflicts where they have been used, such as in Libya, they didn’t turn the tide. Despite widespread employment, drones didn’t stop the Taliban in Afghanistan. One can blame wider political policies for this result, asserting that countries simply haven’t given drone operators free rein to use them successfully.

Nevertheless, the current limitations on use of drones in war is related to the supply of drones and operating guidelines for their use. To wage a large-scale drone war, the countries that use them need more than a few armed drones — and they need to not fear losing some of them. The whole point of unmanned aerial vehicles is that they can be used for dull, dirty, dangerous missions, especially those in which a country doesn’t want to risk sacrificing pilots.
i would get dozens of operators and launch dozens of switchblades at once to take out whole artillery crews...whether they destroy the artillery pieces or not, if there is no crew to fire them, they're effectively out of the game...why hold onto suicide drones, send them out with the biggest bang you can arrange
if we're worried about russia getting sensitive tech, send the Ukrainians enough older drones to make up for it. if they had thousands of switchblades, mass attacks would be devastating to the crews of all that equipment, if not to the equipment itself.
 
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