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BudmanTX

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Nato backed the Ukrainians when we thought they would put up a fight but in a week the Russians would run the place and Nato would be supplying insurgent material. Basically $ millions rather than $ Billions. But after a while if you are in you are in for a penny you are in for a pound. Will the populations of the supporting countries feel the same way if we are here in a year?
that's an interesting question....
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Nato backed the Ukrainians when we thought they would put up a fight but in a week the Russians would run the place and Nato would be supplying insurgent material. Basically $ millions rather than $ Billions. But after a while if you are in you are in for a penny you are in for a pound. Will the populations of the supporting countries feel the same way if we are here in a year?
It's too early to tell right now, but I think we will have a better idea in a month, now that the Ukrainians have what I figure is a decisive edge and have begun offensive operations. As to how much war populations tolerate? History provides some clues and Ukraine has been at a state of low level war in the east for 8 years already. If they can clear the Russians from the south to Mariupol and drive them back to their pre war positions in the east, it will expose the bridge at Kerch to attack and the Ukrainians will, or have already acquired the means to do it.

Start seizing Russian assets and throwing them into the fight can cover costs. I think the Russians will tire of this war before the Ukrainians do. As I said we will wait and see, but it is fun to guess, it's the biggest game in town, though most feel one way or another Vlad's fate is sealed.
 

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Bloggers In Russia Criticize Military After Ukraine Bridge Attack

May 16, 2022 Russian bloggers are shocked at their military's "incompetence" during the invasion of Ukraine, according to a new report. The Morning Joe panel discusses the latest in the invasion.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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The reports are "up to 30%" and when Putin parked his tanks in a 40 mile parking lot everybody was saying they sent conscripts and green 18 year olds that thought they were just going on manoeuvres, not the elite units. The Ukrainians have been saying 25k dead, which might be a little high due to each side saying how much better they are doing than the other, maybe shave that down to 20k. They had 120k before the invasion so maybe a little less than 20%. That is enough to hurt. But how much have the Ukrainians lost? We have no reliable figures. The big question is how much land is worth how many Ukrainian lives? Both sides are asking themselves that.

Zelinsky already said he would negotiate with the Russians back at their Feb 24 positions. Now I do not expect Putin to just meekly roll the military back to the pre-invasion line but I bet the Russians could hold them off if they we on that patch of land the separatists held. Would it be worth the Ukrainian lives (even the ones alive but scared) for the remaining land? Will the West continue to pour taxpayer's money for the remaining land? How about let Ukraine keep its borders without Crimea? After all, Russia only gave it to Ukraine in 1954.



An account why Ukraine may have received Crimea.

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/why-did-russia-give-away-crimea-sixty-years-ago

Stop the war giving Ukraine the Donbas and Russia Crimea?
That's not really up to us...Zelensky and putin have to work out what ever peace accord might happen. I wouldn't trust any agreement with russia, though. They've lied through their teeth since they've had teeth, and they won't stop tomorrow. i have not one single doubt in my mind that russia will be back when they've had a chance to rebuild their military, and seriously upgrade it. the ONLY way to stop them from being the evil expansionist empire that they are, is to break their ability to field an army. at this point, that would pretty much require russia to break up into rump states, and if that happens, then there is going to be a fight about who gets to keep the nuclear weapons, and who is going to collect them.
so whatever happens, unless it involves the break up of russia, it's just going to be a chance for russia to re-equip, and then it will be back to fuckery, as per usual, and they will have a better idea of what to keep an eye on, so as not to be embarrassed in the future. they will have a chance to adopt a new, more flexible chain of command in their military, and they'll have a chance to build more, better weapons, and train soldiers doing 3 or 4 year terms of service, and not kids doing their mandatory year, with no real chance to acquire any real expertise.
But again, that is up to putin and Zelensky.
 

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Ukraine evacuates 264 soldiers from the Azovstal steelworks in Mariupol
More than 260 Ukrainian soldiers, including some seriously wounded, were evacuated on Monday from a steel plant in the destroyed city of Mariupol and transferred to areas under Russian control, reported the armed forces of Ukraine.

Deputy Defense Minister Anna Malyar said 53 seriously wounded soldiers had been taken to a hospital in Novoazovsk, east of Mariupol. In addition, another 211 fighters were evacuated to Olenivka through a humanitarian corridor. An exchange will be negotiated so that they can return home, he assured.

Malyar said missions are underway to rescue the remaining soldiers from the plant, the last pocket of resistance in Mariupolin the south of the country.

 

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Uralvagonzavod sent a train of the latest T-90M tanks to the troops
Uralvagonzavod sent a train of the latest T-90M "Breakthrough" tanks to the Russian troops, Uralvagonzavod's press service told reporters on Tuesday.

The event was attended by the rector of the temple of Demetrius Donskoy, Archpriest John Bragin. He consecrated the armored vehicles, after which the echelon of tanks set off under the "Farewell of the Slav".

"Good must always be able to defend itself. It is useless to persuade evil forces to stop. And therefore there is such a tradition to consecrate weapons. So that God's help, blessing, protection help him defend his Fatherland, protect people who require help and protection," he said. archpriest, whose words are quoted in UVZ .

At the final stage, drawings and letters from the children of tank builders and Orthodox icons were put into the tanks. "These are symbols of our support for Russian soldiers, a sign of respect and faith in their courage," said Ivan Kukartsev, leader of the Uralvagonzavod youth organization.

The T-90M tank was developed by the Ural Design Bureau of Transport Engineering. The manufacturer emphasizes that this is the most advanced machine in the T-90 family. It is noted that the tank is most adapted to the actions in the conditions of modern combat. One of the main features of the T-90M is the ability to exchange data with other machines in real time.

China spoke about the trap that NATO is preparing for Finland and Sweden

The United States is driving Sweden and Finland into a trap, supporting their membership in NATO, writes the Chinese newspaper Global Times.

According to experts, after joining the North Atlantic Alliance, the two Scandinavian countries may find themselves in an American trap and further worsen the security situation in Eastern Europe .

Cui Hongjian, director of the European department of the Chinese Institute of International Studies, believes that the inclusion of Sweden and Finland in a military bloc will allow the United States to use their territory to deploy strategic weapons directed against Russia . However, he clarified that neither Stockholm , nor Helsinki , nor Moscow are going to escalate the situation for the sake of American ambitions. The three Eastern European states are determined to resolve the issues that arise between them through negotiations, summed up the experts.

Finland and Sweden started talking about the possibility of abandoning their long-term neutrality and joining NATO against the backdrop of a Russian special operation in Ukraine . The head of the alliance, Jens Stoltenberg , said that the organization would be glad to see these countries in its ranks and provide them with the opportunity for rapid integration.

Moscow has repeatedly noted that the North Atlantic Alliance is aimed at confrontation. As the press secretary of the President of Russia Dmitry Peskov emphasized , its further expansion will not bring greater security to Europe . At the same time, the Kremlin spokesman clarified that he does not consider the possible participation of Helsinki and Stockholm in the bloc an existential threat to Moscow.
 

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The UN Security Council unanimously adopted a statement on Ukraine, for the first time since the beginning of the special operation
For the first time since the beginning of the special military operation of the Russian Federation, the UN Security Council unanimously adopted a statement on the situation in Ukraine, which declares the desire for a peaceful settlement of the conflict.

According to RIA Novosti, in the document, the UN Security Council expressed "deep concern regarding the maintenance of peace and security of Ukraine" and reminded the representatives of the organization that they had committed themselves to resolve all international conflicts peacefully, in accordance with the UN Charter.

 

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Will Russia win the battle for Donbass?
Russia and Ukraine are seeking to acquire additional levers of influence, so meaningful peace negotiations are probably not expected until the battle for Donbass is resolved, the author of an article in TNI believes.

Russian troops are preparing in eastern Ukraine for an offensive that both sides say will be crucial to the course of the conflict. In this regard, the prospects for serious peace negotiations to end the worst humanitarian disaster in Europe since 1945 are more bleak than ever.


Just clicked on an earlier article to see how much the Russian's view on things might line up with events of the day, originally published April 25, 2022
 
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Ukrainian Unit Seizes Russian Commander's Notebook
Pushing back invading Russian forces, a Ukrainian mountain unit known as “The Transcarpathian Beavers” claims it has seized a Russian commander’s notebook, among other items, Newsweek reports.

The Transcarpathian Legion of the 128th Mountain Assault Brigade, a formation of the Ukrainian Ground Forces, posted a statement to its Facebook page Sunday, saying it had “captured trophies from the Russians of North Ossetia,” including a “BMP-3 tank, weapons, ammunition and personal belongings.”

"Under the pressure of our attack, the Russians shamefully fled their positions, throwing away a practically unused BMP-3 tank with full combat equipment, documents, personal belongings, and weapons (grenade launchers, mines, guns),” the legion said.

 

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The 11 Senate Republicans who opposed advancing aid for Ukraine
Eleven GOP senators on Monday voted against advancing a nearly $40 billion aid package for Ukraine despite significant bipartisan support.

The Republican senators opposed to the plan were Marsha Blackburn (Tenn.), John Boozman (Ark.), Mike Braun (Ind.), Mike Crapo (Idaho), Bill Hagerty (Tenn.), Josh Hawley (Mo.), Mike Lee (Utah), Cynthia Lummis (Wyo.), Roger Marshall (Kan.), Rand Paul (Ky.) and Tommy Tuberville (Ala.).

Eighty-one other senators from both sides of the aisle voted in favor of the package.

 

Lucky Luke

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they already have access to the black sea at Novorossiyk...no one stops them now from sailing the whole thing, including the sea of azov...so why do they want more of what they already have free use of?
So Ukraine doesn't have any Black sea access, to landlock Ukraine. Know one knows what Putins goal was and is and that's an achievable one that hasn't taken him to long to get this close to it.
God knows the stock market and every country would like this thing to be over.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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I don't think these are threats, they are salve for the increasingly sore assholes of Putin's base. We could destroy them if we wished, we are mighty etc. They are in Moscow and it along with St. Petersburg would be vaporized several times over from several different countries and Uncle Sam alone has three different systems to make sure the job jets done!

Now there is such a thing as "crises actors" and this is an example! They are facing a crises alright, as their military and economy is hammered while incompetence, weakness and corruption reveled. Strongman Putin is sick and on the brink of a humiliating defeat in every realm: militarily, economically, cyber, intelligence and propaganda.
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Russia says Britain should be nuked ‘back to the stone age’

 

DIY-HP-LED

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I imagine eastern Poland is now a logistics and training area for the Ukrainians as arms and resources continuously pour in and a system of supply and support is developed. By the end of June Vlad's army in Ukraine should be truly fucked with accelerating losses and logistics choked off. All the while being constantly attacked by long range artillery, swarms of deadly drones, guerrillas using IEDs on their supply routes and Ukrainian troops advancing on their fronts and flanks.
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Canadian Forces airlifting military and humanitarian aid to Ukraine
1,728 views May 17, 2022 The CBC's Chris Brown takes us aboard a Royal Canadian Air Force Hercules transport plane taking heavy weapons and humanitarian aid into Ukraine

 

Roger A. Shrubber

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I don't think these are threats, they are salve for the increasingly sore assholes of Putin's base. We could destroy them if we wished, we are mighty etc. They are in Moscow and it along with St. Petersburg would be vaporized several times over from several different countries and Uncle Sam alone has three different systems to make sure the job jets done!

Now there is such a thing as "crises actors" and this is an example! They are facing a crises alright, as their military and economy is hammered while incompetence, weakness and corruption reveled. Strongman Putin is sick and on the brink of a humiliating defeat in every realm: militarily, economically, cyber, intelligence and propaganda.
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Russia says Britain should be nuked ‘back to the stone age’

i guess turn about is fair play...i've wanted to turn russia into a sheet of radioactive glass for decades.
 

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Deputy Zhuravlev: what will speed up the completion of the special operation in Ukraine
The end of the special operation in Ukraine will be brought closer by mobilization in Russia, Alexei Zhuravlev, First Deputy Chairman of the Russian State Duma Defense Committee, said in an interview with URA.RU. According to him, recruits will not need to fight. They will have to ensure control over the liberated territories - now it is impossible to do this only by the forces of the people's militia of the LPR and DPR, and the military contingent of the Russian army is limited, the deputy emphasized after a trip to the combat zone.

- On the eve of May 9, Russians were agitated by rumors about the impending general mobilization. Is there a reason for this?
These rumors were not born out of nowhere. Moreover, I believe that mobilization is extremely necessary - it is impossible for such a country [Ukraine], which in terms of territory is several Englands, to be taken away and held by a 150,000-strong contingent. Don't be afraid to mobilize. In any case, the fighting is carried out by a professional army.

- That is, the mobilized are needed to exclusively keep order in the liberated territories?
- Certainly. There will be enough DNR and LNR militias on their territory. What next? There must be our people in the liberated Ukrainian territories who understand what needs to be done. If you don’t form a military-civilian administration after occupying a certain locality, this point immediately changes its shoes and becomes your enemy in the rear. This is obvious, since Ukrainians have been brainwashed for 30 years against us.

 
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