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Roger A. Shrubber

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Analysis: Russia to Dominate the Black Sea in case of Ukraine Conflict




without extensive training.who know its capabilities.
i think their navy will be pretty irrelevant, this war is being fought on the ground in Ukraine. if they lose the war, their ships would be wise to withdraw, and not risk further EU and NATO provocation.
last i heard, the Ukrainians controlled enough of the area to make landing troops or equipment by sea a risky proposition, the Ukrainians would be very happy to sink an incredibly expensive russian warship with a cheap ass missile
 

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Finland hit by cyberattack, airspace breach
Finland was hit with cyberattacks and an airspace breach on Friday while Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was speaking to the Finnish Parliament.

The country’s Ministry of Defense tweeted earlier Friday its website was under attack and it would shutter until further notice.

A few hours later, after resolving the issue, the department clarified that the cyberattack was a denial-of-service attack, which aims to shut down a website so users are unable to access its information.

The attack also affected the Finnish foreign ministry’s websites, according to the ministry’s Twitter.

The ministry said it was investigating the matter and got its sites working hours later.

Right before the cyberattacks, Finland announced a Russian aircraft had potentially violated the country’s airspace, Bloomberg reported.

Amid the violation of Finnish airspace and the cyberattacks, Zelensky was speaking to Finland regarding Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

“President Zelenskyy gave a historic address to the Parliament today,” the foreign ministry tweeted. “Finland firmly supports Ukraine in its efforts to defend freedom and democracy. #StandWithUkraine.”

Finland has been reconsidering its stance on NATO membership since the Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, angering Moscow.

Russia previously threatened Finland and Sweden if they attempted to join the NATO alliance.

“Finland and Sweden should not base their security on damaging the security of other countries and their accession to NATO can have detrimental consequences and face some military and political consequences,” Russian foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova said soon after Russia attacked Ukraine.
If they tought Ukraine was something, try attacking either of them and see what happens, even without outside help! Welcome to NATO, they will both be joining and can do it nearly overnight, we've trained with them and integrated communications systems already, both are armed to the teeth with modern weapons of domestic manufacture and they sell weapons to NATO now. The Russians are busy in Ukraine now and will be until their army dies there and most of their equipment is either destroyed or captured. If they don't join NATO, it's because they won't need to after Russia is defeated in Ukraine.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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this is not good, time for a loud speaker time...tell those conscripts your UA.....not an orc take back whats yours and your homeland
this confuses me...russia is conscripting Ukrainians? or russian sympathizers in the contested territory around Luhansk and Mariupol?
that seems unwise to me, but much of the russians "strategy" has seemed unwise to me since the day they attacked...if the people they are conscripting are willing to fight for russia, why aren't they already doing it? and if they are already doing it, then who will continue the fight they are already involved with?....:???:
 

DIY-HP-LED

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A Reuters article said some Russian conscripts are being issued Mosin bolt-action rifles pulled from storage.

They were developed before WW1

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They must have sold off all their AK's for money, or through corruption, they had many millions of them at one time. The new NATO countries have all of theirs's and now many are in Ukraine arming reservists, along with mortars and RPGs, next it will be tanks and whatever other old soviet equipment they have. Hungry has a lot of T72 tanks apparently, the most of all and Ukraine is hungry for them and I'm sure Uncle Sam is using the carrot and stick in equal measure to get them.

There was a global market for AKs of all kinds for decades and they would be easy for some corrupt colonel to sell, if they were sitting on warehouses of them and figured they would never be used.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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yeah i've been going through that mess........russian launched 2 SS22 missile out of Donbas region according to US assessments......and oh course as the russian would do......"no we didn't", they clearly did

correction:

SS21's
well where the motherfuck else would it have come from? it irritates me when an idiot expects me to believe their idiotic lies...
i suppose they'll try to blame it on the Ukrainians somehow, say they're trying to make russia look bad...like russia needs any fucking help looking bad.
i don't suppose it matters much at this point, but i can't respect a bully who lies about being a bully. i would still look on them like vermin, but now i look on them like spineless cowardly lying vermin...
 

DIY-HP-LED

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A Reuters article said some Russian conscripts are being issued Mosin bolt-action rifles pulled from storage.

They were developed before WW1

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The rest of their kit looks cold war as do the helmets. There is no excuse for sending troops into modern battle like this, they must have nothing else to give them. One wonders what will those reservists be armed with when they find their armories empty too? Has much Russian ammo been sold on Ebay or other gun places online in the last 25 years? What was the date stamped on it? Go to black market places on the dark web that deal in arms and you still might find Russian stuff being sold there.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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I'd say after this week, even junior officers who ordered war crimes will end up in The Hague for them, if they have the radio traffic and their troops are captured and used as witnesses, even some of the troops could end up there, or tried for murder in Ukraine. Legally they are not POWs, they are common criminals, there was and still is no declaration of war. Some of them might have justice meted out to them on the spot and nobody in their unit will say a fucking word about it and nobody in the government will care either. Imagine a jury in Ukraine convicting a soldier of executing, a murdering notorious war criminal, not gonna happen.
while i don't want any of them to escape justice, i would settle for them killing every russian on Ukrainian soil. don't leave a single russian soldier alive, send them all home in bodybags, C.O.D.
then they can start trying to nab every officer in russia that had anything to do with it...kidnap them in the night like the Israelis were doing to nazis after ww2, put them on public trial in the hague, and televise their executions when they're found guilty
 

DIY-HP-LED

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while i don't want any of them to escape justice, i would settle for them killing every russian on Ukrainian soil. don't leave a single russian soldier alive, send them all home in bodybags, C.O.D.
then they can start trying to nab every officer in russia that had anything to do with it...kidnap them in the night like the Israelis were doing to nazis after ww2, put them on public trial in the hague, and televise their executions when they're found guilty
There are Ukrainian prisoners or there had better be and they are holding civilians hostages in Russia and will hold more. If the Ukrainians win, they can raid into Russian territory and march hundreds of thousands of Russians back to Ukraine at gun point and do an exchange. The Ukrainians have to play by the rules of civilized warfare, but on the battlefield things can get personal. The Ukrainians will have a list of Russian officers at least and I would expect a lot more casualties among their officers with the arrival of switchblades and there are far more than 100 hundred. In the video above Boris of the UK announced they are sending them too and they make them under license as does Turkey. Taking out Russian officers has a serious effect on their performance because of how they are structured. Combat experienced officers will be replaced by green ones and when they take out their chain of command they become paralyzed, officers run the show and motivate the troops, they have no NCO corps like we do. So I figure officers are high priority targets for switchblades and a lot are gonna die first. In addition the government will have teams hunting for individuals using snipers and drones, they know where they are.
 

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i think their navy will be pretty irrelevant, this war is being fought on the ground in Ukraine. if they lose the war, their ships would be wise to withdraw, and not risk further EU and NATO provocation.
last i heard, the Ukrainians controlled enough of the area to make landing troops or equipment by sea a risky proposition, the Ukrainians would be very happy to sink an incredibly expensive russian warship with a cheap ass missile
Odessa.

The ships could park at the edge of the maximum distance their guns can hit and turn the city to dust. They do not want Ukraine to have a port city. They do not care if there is anything left, as long as the Ukrainians do not have it.
 

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i think their navy will be pretty irrelevant, this war is being fought on the ground in Ukraine. if they lose the war, their ships would be wise to withdraw, and not risk further EU and NATO provocation.
last i heard, the Ukrainians controlled enough of the area to make landing troops or equipment by sea a risky proposition, the Ukrainians would be very happy to sink an incredibly expensive russian warship with a cheap ass missile
They were talking about going Iranian and putting antiship missiles on small fast boats, like PT boats and the UK is helping with it and shore launched versions on trucks too. You could even use a Javelin against a ship. The Russians will need to keep their distance, if the Ukrainians take Mariupol on the coast it's right across from the Kerch bridge, about 100 miles due south, Berdyansk is closer. If they have access to the sea of Azov, they can threaten Vlad's pride and joy at Kerch and cut off an entire Russian army in the south in a single stroke. Vlad must have it guarded well, he'd better cause I'm certain it's on the Ukrainian's wish list and they asked for help to destroy it, it is of no value to Ukraine and represents a threat. It's easy enough to rebuild a few spans in the future if required during peace time. The only one who wanted it was Vlad, to consolidate his conquest and to steal more territory, that was it's purpose.
 

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Odessa.

The ships could park at the edge of the maximum distance their guns can hit and turn the city to dust. They do not want Ukraine to have a port city. They do not care if there is anything left, as long as the Ukrainians do not have it.
From 25 miles they will be vulnerable to UK supplied antiship missiles, they can't get into gun range, or won't soon. They could attack with missiles, but Ukraine has antiship cruise missiles under test that can reach out a long way and can cover much of the Black sea and all of the sea of Azov.

I think Vlad has a ship across the channel in under the Kerch bridge or in front of it now, blocking the entrance to the sea of Azov. It looks like they have been fortifying the bridge too around the bases of the support pillars, so Vlad must be concerned about his weak link to Crimea.
 

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Russian rockets hit train station in Kramatorsk, Donetsk region | DW News

Breaking news out of eastern Ukraine, where more than 30 people have been killed and over 100 more wounded after Russian rockets hit a train station in the city of Kramatorsk in the Donetsk region. The station was being used to evacuate civilians to safer parts of the country. Officials say thousands of people were at the station at the time of the attack.

The head of the regional administration posted images on social media, showing dead bodies outside the station. Officials say it's one of the deadliest strikes of the six week-old war. Rescue workers are on the scene.
 

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From 25 miles they will be vulnerable to UK supplied antiship missiles, they can't get into gun range, or won't soon. They could attack with missiles, but Ukraine has antiship cruise missiles under test that can reach out a long way and can cover much of the Black sea and all of the sea of Azov.

I think Vlad has a ship across the channel in under the Kerch bridge or in front of it now, blocking the entrance to the sea of Azov. It looks like they have been fortifying the bridge too around the bases of the support pillars, so Vlad must be concerned about his weak link to Crimea.
Ukraine Asks US Navy For Anti-Ship Missiles
Reuters April 7,
Ukraine’s latest request to the Pentagon includes land-based anti-ship missiles.

By Daphne Psaledakis (Reuters) The United States will send new weapon systems to Ukraine, Washington’s top diplomat said on Thursday after NATO foreign ministers agreed to accelerate arms deliveries in response to Russia’s invasion.

Urged by Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba to end bureaucracy-driven delays, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said the United States and 30 other countries were sending weapons to Ukraine and that that process would intensify.

 

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Born Under Putin, Dead Under Putin: Russia’s Teenage Soldiers Dying in Ukraine
Yulia Ivkina would have preferred her husband to become a carpenter, not a soldier.

But as the coronavirus pandemic dented the Russian labor market and the newlyweds from the western city of Pskov tried for a baby, 18-year-old Igor Ivkin reasoned a short-term contract in the army was the best option to safeguard his family’s future.

Igor enlisted in February 2021, shortly before Yulia realized she was pregnant. A little over a year later, he was killed in heavy fighting outside Kharkiv amid Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. He was seven months short of his 20th birthday.

“People from the draft board told me about his death, they came to me with a death notice on March 25. He was buried on March 30 in the village of Vorontsovo where he was born,” Ivkina, 24, told The Moscow Times.

Igor Ivkin is one of at least 25 teenage Russian soldiers to have died fighting in Ukraine, according to a review of official statements and social media posts by The Moscow Times.

Russia admits to losing 1,351 military personnel since the start of the invasion, but independent evidence suggests the real figure — as well as the number of teenagers to have been killed — is far higher.

The Russian teenagers killed in Ukraine belong to the so-called “Putin generation” of those who were born under President Vladimir Putin’s 22-year rule.

Many of these young contract soldiers lack military expertise and are more vulnerable on the frontlines, according to Russian military expert Pavel Luzhin.

“When you are 18 or 19 years old you don’t have as much fear of death as you do when you’re 25, and with a lot of testosterone in your blood, you do stupid things,” said Luzhin.

The exact numbers of teenagers in the Russian army is classified, but there are likely to be thousands currently fighting in Ukraine.

“Kids! We’re kids. They took us at 18 years old!” one group of furious soldiers apparently serving in the Russian army in an an attack on the Ukrainian town of Sumy shouted into a video camera last month. “The Russian Defense Ministry has no idea about us, or what we’re doing here, they’re throwing us directly into this s***.”

Many of these recruits first found their way into the army through the military draft, which requires all men between the ages of 18 and 27 to serve a year in the armed forces.

More often than not, those from big cities or more middle-class backgrounds are able to avoid the draft by enrolling at universities, exploiting loopholes or paying bribes. This means most of the younger recruits are young men from small towns and villages all over Russia.

"He would say that… avoiding the army was not an option,” Ivkina said of her husband.

The youngest Russian soldiers to have died in Ukraine were 18 years old. They include Ilya Kubik, who perished several weeks shy of his 19th birthday over 3,000 miles from his Siberian hometown of Bratsk; and David Arutunyan, also 18, from the Russian republic of Buryatia bordering Mongolia, who was killed by Ukrainian artillery fire.

The motivations of these young men vary from economic necessity to patriotism.

Ivkina said her husband was compelled by a sense of duty.

Some teenagers have even been awarded medals. Eighteen-year-old Arutyunyan received a posthumous Order of Courage for reportedly pulling a fellow soldier to safety moments before he was killed.

But the details of a soldier’s death are very hard to verify.
“Russia’s war dead will always be framed as tragic but heroic. Many people do not like to feel their child died in vain,” said Allyson Edwards, a British academic who specializes in Russian militarism and patriotic education.
And there is also evidence that conscripts are pressured into signing contracts, which make it easier for military authorities to deploy them to a war zone.

“If you are a conscripted soldier in the armed forces, you serve three months, and the officers come to you and propose you sign a contract. If you say no, they come again after six [months], after nine [months], and several days before your demobilization,” said Luzhin.
“They will try to brainwash you that… the armed forces need you. What will you do in your village? What will you do in your life? They will say. And people sign the contract.”

Many parents of soldiers claim that — prior to Russia’s attack on Ukraine — some young recruits were coerced into signing contracts.
"Parents were told that their sons were simply taken away by military officers, their documents stamped and that's it — they are now contracted soldiers," Olga Larkina, director of the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers, told the independent Meduza news website in February.
Conscripts have been repeatedly deployed abroad in Russia’s recent history, according to Luzhin, including in Chechnya in the 1990s and in Georgia in 2008.

Russian officials admitted last month that some conscripts were present in Ukraine following the invasion, but said this was a mistake — and that those responsible would be punished.

In some cases, conscripts may have been flung into combat as a result of changing battle plans following intense Ukrainian resistance, which scuttled Russia’s plans for a lightning operation. There have been reports of poor morale and unwillingness to fight among Russian troops in addition to severe logistical difficulties.

Yulia Ivkina said her husband did not have enough food and witnessed military incompetence before he died.
“He grew frustrated by the chaos in the army, the total lack of discipline, the fact that they were screwing around all the time,” she said.
A few weeks before the start of the invasion in late February, Ivkin was able to return home from where he was stationed in Kursk, near the Ukrainian border, to see his newborn daughter.

But four days into what was supposed to be a 10-day stint of leave, he received a call from his commanding officer who told him to return to his unit immediately.

“Our baby girl was only two weeks old,” Yulia Ivkina said of her husband’s final visit. “He had time to see her, to hold her in his arms. I am very happy he did.”
We all get caught up in tribalism that lowers empathy for the "other", it is an instinctual reaction. We too are on the Ukrainian team, at least psychologically and have less sympathy for the Russians, or modulate it. These feelings have grown along with anger and disgust at their reported behavior and what we witness virtually with our own eyes in this internet and cellphone age in the information battleground.

We developed these propensities long ago in our social evolution and the competition between proto humans and humans and among humans for tens of thousands of years. The competition wasn't just among individuals, but among social groups of individuals, war is a group activity, like the hunt and often a community effort, then came agrarian civilization.

We can see this tribalism at work in the states now, as the little Trump tribe is being broken up by a dormant loyalty to the larger tribe of the nation. War is afoot and even though we aren't actually in it, we are to an extent psychologically in the tribe and are enforcing group discipline too, it is unpopular to be pro Putin these days. His biggest fans on the right would probably kill ya today for spouting Russian shit, at least some of the violent and volatile ones.
 

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Ukraine Asks US Navy For Anti-Ship Missiles
Reuters April 7,
Ukraine’s latest request to the Pentagon includes land-based anti-ship missiles.

By Daphne Psaledakis (Reuters) The United States will send new weapon systems to Ukraine, Washington’s top diplomat said on Thursday after NATO foreign ministers agreed to accelerate arms deliveries in response to Russia’s invasion.

Urged by Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba to end bureaucracy-driven delays, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said the United States and 30 other countries were sending weapons to Ukraine and that that process would intensify.

“We’re not going to let anything stand in the way of getting Ukrainians what they need, and what we believe, to be effective,” Blinken said.

He spoke of “new systems” that have so far not been provided by NATO allies, but declined to go into details. NATO diplomats said that meant, in part, helping Ukraine transition from its Soviet-era arsenal to more modern weapons. Blinken said the United States had already agreed to send Kyiv anti-aircraft systems, shoulder-held anti-tank weapons, and armored vehicles.

Asking for planes, land-based anti-ship missiles, armored vehicles, and air defense systems, Kuleba made his plea to a special session at NATO headquarters. He addressed his counterparts from NATO’s 30 members plus the European Union, Finland, Sweden, Japan, New Zealand, and Australia, urging Germany, in particular, to speed up deliveries, saying procedures were taking too long in Berlin.

“I think the deal that Ukraine is offering is fair. You give us weapons, we sacrifice our lives, and the war is contained in Ukraine,” Kuleba said.

After six weeks of a war that Moscow describes as a “special military operation,” Ukraine says Russia continues to shell eastern cities following its forces’ withdrawal from around Kyiv. Kuleba also reiterated a demand that the EU stop buying Russian oil and gas, as the bloc promised a fifth round of sanctions against Moscow by Friday. “We will continue to insist on a full oil and gas embargo,” Kuleba said.

‘PUTIN’S CALCULUS’
Outrage over killings of civilians in the Ukrainian town of Bucha near Kyiv – where Russia denies any wrongdoing and says evidence was fabricated – appears to have galvanized Western support. EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said a fifth package of sanctions, including a ban on coal, would be agreed on Thursday or Friday, while EU lawmakers voted in a non-binding resolution for “an immediate full embargo” on Russian energy imports.

But Blinken, whilesaying he had a strong sense that Europeans were committed to ending their dependency on Russian energy, also conceded that that could not be as quick as “flipping a light switch.” The bloc’s high level of dependency on Russian oil and particularly gas makes a broader energy embargo – which would cut off a significant source of revenue for Moscow’s war – unlikely for the time being.

Blinken said reports of rape and executions in Bucha would not impact peace negotiations between Ukraine and Russia as much as whether Moscow thought peace was worth pursuing. “I don’t think in a sense, Bucha has anything to do with that. It has everything to do with what President (Vladimir) Putin’s calculus is, what he decides,” Blinken said.
They want everything they can get and we can't give them enough, I don't blame them at all for shooting for the moon and putting as much heat on allies as they can, they have public support and they are exploiting it to the max, good on them! More advanced weapons means fewer causalities for them and things like precision guided artillery rounds and mortars can pin point Russian positions and equipment before an assault even begins. American antiship missiles like Harpoon antiship missiles have a range of 100 miles of course they want some, I dunno what the UK are giving them, they use Harpoons too. The US navy is upgrading from the Harpoon, so they could send a lot if they want.
 

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They want everything they can get and we can't give them enough, I don't blame them at all for shooting for the moon and putting as much heat on allies as they can, they have public support and they are exploiting it to the max, good on them! More advanced weapons means fewer causalities for them and things like precision guided artillery rounds and mortars can pin point Russian positions and equipment before an assault even begins. American antiship missiles like Harpoon antiship missiles have a range of 100 miles of course they want some, I dunno what the UK are giving them, they use Harpoons too. The US navy is upgrading from the Harpoon, so they could send a lot if they want.
I would outfit a cigar boat with lots of armour and a big engine and tank of gas then point it toward the ships by remote control with a few dummies in navy gear. Outfit a keel that goes below the wake of the boat and the real surprise travels under the wake. A big mother of a bomb. Once the boat is blown to bits the torpedo section takes over. By that time it would be too late to stop it. Might only work the first few times but it should be a good return on investment.
 

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I would outfit a cigar boat with lots of armour and a big engine and tank of gas then point it toward the ships by remote control with a few dummies in navy gear. Outfit a keel that goes below the wake of the boat and the real surprise travels under the wake. A big mother of a bomb. Once the boat is blown to bits the torpedo section takes over. By that time it would be too late to stop it. Might only work the first few times but it should be a good return on investment.
They are looking for anything innovative that might work, they are at war and will take chances. If someone private in the EU wanted to build them something custom, I don't see an issue, there are pissed off rich people in the EU too who might finance a project. If someone had an idea, getting some engineers to make it work should not be an issue either. Mounting a couple of Harpoons on a small fast boat they can find along the coast somewhere would be what they would end up doing and a fiberglass hull it's metal fittings removed would lower the radar profile, they would have a hundred mile punch when working with a drone and hide behind something else like a ship or an island after firing. That snake island where they took prisoners would be a good spot for some dug in harpoons and some infantry with Javelins to repel assaults etc it guards the bay is 10 miles off shore and about 100 miles from Crimea and 70 miles south of Odessa, it can also be defended with harpoons on shore 10 miles away. I don't think the Russians occupied it and even if they did a missile or two should do the job.
 

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Fuck you Vlad, you are in no position to threaten anybody and Finland should demand territory back from Russia that Stalin stole.
Now would be a good time to do it and if Russia attacked them while they were applying, it would be a different ballgame than with Ukraine. Sweden would support them and join NATO too.
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Finland eyes NATO membership, hit with cyberattacks


As Finland weighs joining the NATO alliance, it was hit by cyberattacks on government websites on Friday. The country also had its airspace breached, while Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy was speaking virtually to members of Finland's Parliament.
 

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Russians are booby-trapping cities they leave behind

Ret. Gen. Anthony Zinni says there's no military value to booby traps, but video from Ukraine suggests Russians are leaving dangerous traps behind as they leave some areas.
 
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