War

Sativied · Mar 8, 2022

Fogdog said:
80 million dollars a day is what it costs him to prosecute his war.

Yikes… I was hoping it would be a lot more. Remember you posted those charts with the energy share of Russia’s gdp and export? That share hasn’t changed as much over the decade after as it did in the past weeks. EU sent 200mil per day a few weeks ago, over 700mil a couple of days ago because of the skyrocketing natural gas prices. And because of the fear of Russia cutting it off, EU now imports more than before the war. That’s all in addition to increasing rates by over tenfold since last year already. Russia already started slowing down gas delivery last year, preparing for this.

If Russian gas would be banned, or even just reduced a little more, it would raise much higher still. Russia threatened to shut down Nord Stream 1:

Russia threatens to stop Nord Stream 1 gas supply

thegermanyeye.com

If only there was a large natural gas field in Europe itself…. oh wait, less than 100miles north of my place:

Groningen gas field - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Largest natural gas field in Europe. Winnable gas left is now at current rates worth roughly 1.5 trillionUSD, 1.6 times our entire gdp. It was supposed to close down in 2030 because of the many earthquakes it caused (over 2 decades, 3.5 Richter max), latest plan was to close this summer. National drama over lack of compensation for damaged homes and stressed people. However, they did a survey last week in the area and 2/3rd of the people are like fuck Putin, open the pumps. Yearly output is limited, doesn’t solve the problem for all of Europe, but it would make a dent in some west european countries’ dependency on Russia. It would also negate any negative effects the war has on our economy and then some… It’s currently still considered only as a very last resort but everyone sees it coming. With prices 20-30x up what they were a few years ago it shouldn’t be a problem to compensate people in the area generously.

EU aims to slash Russian gas dependence by two-thirds this year

The Commission will propose energy measures to ‘hurt’ Vladimir Putin.

www.politico.eu

EU aims to slash Russian gas dependence by two-thirds this year
Timmersmans is an ambitious optimist, I think it’s a bit unrealistic but good to set a high goal.

printer · Mar 8, 2022

Saudi, UAE leaders declined calls with Biden amid Ukraine conflict: report
Leaders in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) declined calls with President Biden as the war in Ukraine intensified, Middle East and U.S. officials told The Wall Street Journal on Tuesday.

"There was some expectation of a phone call, but it didn’t happen," a U.S. official told the Journal regarding a call between Biden and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. "It was part of turning on the spigot [of Saudi oil]."

UAE leader Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed also declined a call from Biden, according to the officials.

Officials told the outlet that U.S. relations with the two Gulf countries have been strained over the Biden administration's lack of support in the war in Yemen and the revived negotiations concerning the Iran nuclear deal.

Saudi Arabia has also been pushing for legal immunity in the U.S. for Crown Prince Mohammed, who is accused of killing a journalist in 2018.

One U.S. official said they have worked with the two countries to strengthen their defenses amid concerns over Iran, according to the Journal.

The U.S. has been rallying international support for Ukraine as some countries have remained neutral regarding the Russian invasion.

Washington is potentially looking at Iran, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela for oil talks as it cuts off Russian oil imports.

Saudi Arabia and the UAE both said they will not produce more oil than agreed on by the Russian-led Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, the Journal noted.

Saudi, UAE leaders declined calls with Biden amid Ukraine conflict: report

Leaders in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) declined calls with President Biden as the war in Ukraine intensified, Middle East and U.S. officials told The Wall Street Journal&nb…

thehill.com

DIY-HP-LED · Mar 8, 2022

printer said:
Saudi, UAE leaders declined calls with Biden amid Ukraine conflict: report
Leaders in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) declined calls with President Biden as the war in Ukraine intensified, Middle East and U.S. officials told The Wall Street Journal on Tuesday.

"There was some expectation of a phone call, but it didn’t happen," a U.S. official told the Journal regarding a call between Biden and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. "It was part of turning on the spigot [of Saudi oil]."

UAE leader Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed also declined a call from Biden, according to the officials.

Officials told the outlet that U.S. relations with the two Gulf countries have been strained over the Biden administration's lack of support in the war in Yemen and the revived negotiations concerning the Iran nuclear deal.

Saudi Arabia has also been pushing for legal immunity in the U.S. for Crown Prince Mohammed, who is accused of killing a journalist in 2018.

One U.S. official said they have worked with the two countries to strengthen their defenses amid concerns over Iran, according to the Journal.

The U.S. has been rallying international support for Ukraine as some countries have remained neutral regarding the Russian invasion.

Washington is potentially looking at Iran, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela for oil talks as it cuts off Russian oil imports.

Saudi Arabia and the UAE both said they will not produce more oil than agreed on by the Russian-led Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, the Journal noted.

Saudi, UAE leaders declined calls with Biden amid Ukraine conflict: report

Leaders in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) declined calls with President Biden as the war in Ukraine intensified, Middle East and U.S. officials told The Wall Street Journal&nb…

thehill.com

Didn't Bush call them, "our good Saudi allies"

DIY-HP-LED · Mar 8, 2022

Sativied said:
Yikes… I was hoping it would be a lot more. Remember you posted those charts with the energy share of Russia’s gdp and export? That share hasn’t changed as much over the decade after as it did in the past weeks. EU sent 200mil per day a few weeks ago, over 700mil a couple of days ago because of the skyrocketing natural gas prices. And because of the fear of Russia cutting it off, EU now imports more than before the war. That’s all in addition to increasing rates by over tenfold since last year already. Russia already started slowing down gas delivery last year, preparing for this.

If Russian gas would be banned, or even just reduced a little more, it would raise much higher still. Russia threatened to shut down Nord Stream 1:

Russia threatens to stop Nord Stream 1 gas supply

Russia threatens to stop Nord Stream 1 gas supply

thegermanyeye.com

If only there was a large natural gas field in Europe itself…. oh wait, less than 100miles north of my place:

Groningen gas field - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Largest natural gas field in Europe. Winnable gas left is now at current rates worth roughly 1.5 trillionUSD, 1.6 times our entire gdp. It was supposed to close down in 2030 because of the many earthquakes it caused (over 2 decades, 3.5 Richter max), latest plan was to close this summer. National drama over lack of compensation for damaged homes and stressed people. However, they did a survey last week in the area and 2/3rd of the people are like fuck Putin, open the pumps. Yearly output is limited, doesn’t solve the problem for all of Europe, but it would make a dent in some west european countries’ dependency on Russia. It would also negate any negative effects the war has on our economy and then some… It’s currently still considered only as a very last resort but everyone sees it coming. With prices 20-30x up what they were a few years ago it shouldn’t be a problem to compensate people in the area generously.

EU aims to slash Russian gas dependence by two-thirds this year

The Commission will propose energy measures to ‘hurt’ Vladimir Putin.

www.politico.eu

EU aims to slash Russian gas dependence by two-thirds this year
Timmersmans is an ambitious optimist, I think it’s a bit unrealistic but good to set a high goal.

They can inject shit into the wells to deal with subsidence at Groningen and the Danes have large capped gas fields too. That and LNG tankers could do the job and they have until fall to get ready for LNG tanker imports. Spring is a couple of weeks away and it appears to be bad timing for Vlad. He won't be able to do much in Ukraine until the land dries out to allow for military maneuver. The roads are blocked with his logistics and will be lined with IEDs by the time his mighty army of mostly junk and reservists gets there. Welcome to Hell.

DIY-HP-LED · Mar 8, 2022

Let's talk about a report on the Ukrainian pickle grandma....

Fogdog · Mar 8, 2022

Sativied said:
Yikes… I was hoping it would be a lot more. Remember you posted those charts with the energy share of Russia’s gdp and export? That share hasn’t changed as much over the decade after as it did in the past weeks. EU sent 200mil per day a few weeks ago, over 700mil a couple of days ago because of the skyrocketing natural gas prices. And because of the fear of Russia cutting it off, EU now imports more than before the war. That’s all in addition to increasing rates by over tenfold since last year already. Russia already started slowing down gas delivery last year, preparing for this.

If Russian gas would be banned, or even just reduced a little more, it would raise much higher still. Russia threatened to shut down Nord Stream 1:

Russia threatens to stop Nord Stream 1 gas supply

Russia threatens to stop Nord Stream 1 gas supply

thegermanyeye.com

If only there was a large natural gas field in Europe itself…. oh wait, less than 100miles north of my place:

Groningen gas field - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Largest natural gas field in Europe. Winnable gas left is now at current rates worth roughly 1.5 trillionUSD, 1.6 times our entire gdp. It was supposed to close down in 2030 because of the many earthquakes it caused (over 2 decades, 3.5 Richter max), latest plan was to close this summer. National drama over lack of compensation for damaged homes and stressed people. However, they did a survey last week in the area and 2/3rd of the people are like fuck Putin, open the pumps. Yearly output is limited, doesn’t solve the problem for all of Europe, but it would make a dent in some west european countries’ dependency on Russia. It would also negate any negative effects the war has on our economy and then some… It’s currently still considered only as a very last resort but everyone sees it coming. With prices 20-30x up what they were a few years ago it shouldn’t be a problem to compensate people in the area generously.

EU aims to slash Russian gas dependence by two-thirds this year

The Commission will propose energy measures to ‘hurt’ Vladimir Putin.

www.politico.eu

EU aims to slash Russian gas dependence by two-thirds this year
Timmersmans is an ambitious optimist, I think it’s a bit unrealistic but good to set a high goal.

I saw that number somewhere and your post prompted me to check again. Yeah, I'm a dumbass.

How about 20 billion per day?

Research: ‘Ukraine war costs Russian military €20 billion per day’

On February 24th 2022, Russia launched a full-scale invasion of neighbouring Ukraine.

www.consultancy.eu

The direct losses from the war alone – including liquidated military equipment and casualties among personnel – have in the first 5 days cost Russia about $7 billion. Of this, the loss of human lives alone is forecast to account for $2.7 billion in lost GDP over the coming years.

So, forget that earlier number that I just tossed out without checking, depending on how its toted up, somewhere between 1B and 20B per day. The thing is, his losses won't end even after the war is over. He won't have money to replace equipment and his army is going to dissolve when they make it home, those lucky enough to live through his war, that is.

Fogdog · Mar 8, 2022

56nitty said:
Only country he has attacked was Ukraine because he refuses to let NATO reside in his back yard! Everyone shitted bricks when they were in Cuba with nukes. Come on at least speak facts. If you followed NATO you would see that since the end of ww2 we have moved closer, and closer to China & Russia! That is fact! Anyway all it really is Corporations within Corporations controlling the World. They really want to kill off all of common people like me, you, etc… They will let enough of live that can be managed as slaves. Most of our deficit is owed to Social Security and what happens if you kill off a population especially an aged population? Nobody gets to claim their social security benefits because they are dead. There goes all additional money spent on free health care, there goes money that was used for food stamps, the spending budget will go down tremendously! Not to mention free housing, drug programs, incarceration and what’s left intact or better off is the super rich waiting to cease control of the entire world!

Its amazing to me how your kind use grievance to justify the slaughter we are seeing Putin perpetrate on Ukraine. What does Cuba 60 years ago have to do with Putin bombing civilians in Ukraine? Your story doesn't wash. So you needed more words to explain your pretzel logic and now your post is a mess. Unreadable. Allow me to simplify.

Ukraine is a sovereign nation that wants closer ties with the west than their neighbor to the east. It is their decision and would seem to be a good one given what we see going on right now.

Unless you are the kind of guy who agrees with a serial wife beater when he says it was her fault, you have to agree with me.

Fogdog · Mar 8, 2022

56nitty said:
Trump a Dictator? What do you call Biden? There is no difference my friend! It’s the Corporation the entity with the most money. You think laws are created in the Politicans you vote for? Lmao… No your laws are thought by the rich, presented to your elected officials whom then drafts it into law to be carried out by law enforcement!

President Joe Biden. What a lovely combination of words. Clean and free from corruption.

DIY-HP-LED · Mar 8, 2022

Fogdog said:
I saw that number somewhere and your post prompted me to check again. Yeah, I'm a dumbass.

How about 20 billion per day?

Research: ‘Ukraine war costs Russian military €20 billion per day’

On February 24th 2022, Russia launched a full-scale invasion of neighbouring Ukraine.

www.consultancy.eu

The direct losses from the war alone – including liquidated military equipment and casualties among personnel – have in the first 5 days cost Russia about $7 billion. Of this, the loss of human lives alone is forecast to account for $2.7 billion in lost GDP over the coming years.

So, forget that earlier number that I just tossed out without checking, depending on how its toted up, somewhere between 1B and 20B per day. The thing is, his losses won't end even after the war is over. He won't have money to replace equipment and his army is going to dissolve when they make it home, those lucky enough to live through his war, that is.

So, 10 days of war will cost 200 Billion Euros and 50 days will cost a trillion euros. The fields of Ukraine won't dry out for more than a month to allow military maneuver, everybody is confined to roads now and they will be soon lined with IEDs. So Vlad will blow a trillion before he gets to the start line of Armageddon according to those estimates. Let's be conservative and say $500 billion, he will save money while they cool their heels waiting in Russia.

DIY-HP-LED · Mar 8, 2022

Fogdog said:
I saw that number somewhere and your post prompted me to check again. Yeah, I'm a dumbass.

How about 20 billion per day?

Research: ‘Ukraine war costs Russian military €20 billion per day’

On February 24th 2022, Russia launched a full-scale invasion of neighbouring Ukraine.

www.consultancy.eu

The direct losses from the war alone – including liquidated military equipment and casualties among personnel – have in the first 5 days cost Russia about $7 billion. Of this, the loss of human lives alone is forecast to account for $2.7 billion in lost GDP over the coming years.

So, forget that earlier number that I just tossed out without checking, depending on how its toted up, somewhere between 1B and 20B per day. The thing is, his losses won't end even after the war is over. He won't have money to replace equipment and his army is going to dissolve when they make it home, those lucky enough to live through his war, that is.

Wars are fought on credit, the banking system imported from the Dutch with William of Orange made all the difference to the conduct and financing of war ever since. During WW2 America borrowed from the population with war bonds. Vlad has no international bankers his war chest is frozen and his economy is fucked, they are even going after gold and all the tax havens are cooperating too. In recent years the government started providing lots of services to citizens and raised pensions a lot, there are many bills to pay. They depend on oil and buy everything they need including groceries from abroad and make very little, like Saudi Arabia. They can make arms, but you can't eat those and the MREs the conscripts were given expired in 2002, before many were born. Much of the defense budget for the past 20 years went to corruption and yachts, nobody told Vlad, he doesn't like bad news.

Sativied · Mar 8, 2022

Fogdog said:
I saw that number somewhere and your post prompted me to check again. Yeah, I'm a dumbass.

How about 20 billion per day?

Research: ‘Ukraine war costs Russian military €20 billion per day’

On February 24th 2022, Russia launched a full-scale invasion of neighbouring Ukraine.

www.consultancy.eu

The direct losses from the war alone – including liquidated military equipment and casualties among personnel – have in the first 5 days cost Russia about $7 billion. Of this, the loss of human lives alone is forecast to account for $2.7 billion in lost GDP over the coming years.

So, forget that earlier number that I just tossed out without checking, depending on how its toted up, somewhere between 1B and 20B per day.

Ah ok that sounds much better. The recent increase in gas import is to try and fill reserve areas in europe before it gets more expensive or cut off so at least the quantity should reduce at some point, with it demand, and with that hopefully less money flowing into russia. Such a messed up situation though. Right now Ukrainians are risking their life working at gas transit systems to keep the flow of gas to Europe going. While Russia pays Ukraine for transit, while Europe pays Russia, while Russia invades Ukraine.

56nitty · Mar 8, 2022

Fogdog said:
Its amazing to me how your kind use grievance to justify the slaughter we are seeing Putin perpetrate on Ukraine. What does Cuba 60 years ago have to do with Putin bombing civilians in Ukraine? Your story doesn't wash. So you needed more words to explain your pretzel logic and now your post is a mess. Unreadable. Allow me to simplify.

Ukraine is a sovereign nation that wants closer ties with the west than their neighbor to the east. It is their decision and would seem to be a good one given what we see going on right now.

Unless you are the kind of guy who agrees with a serial wife beater when he says it was her fault, you have to agree with me.

I referenced Cuba as an example. For you to explain how you’d feel If Russia built a military base there. That was a very simple question! You believe everything the Government tells you! You cannot possibly be that ignorant. All one has to do is read this country’s history and it will tell you all about the people who took it, where their from, and who were their allies which the same Countries are the major players of NATO. Hell the same can be said about the Iraq invasion, the Afghan invasion what happened in Afghan? Right protecting poppi fields! Why? Well the Country needed black budget money, what happened at the beginning and still happening? We went to afghan then boom we have a opioid epidemic bye bye middle class! Bye bye drug dealers! Hello black budget money from the arrests! Or bye bye debt by burning dollars. America can’t talk about invasions or killing kids while at war! Our everyday rights are being stripped away in the name of fear! Our Government is no better than any of the worst regimes you could think of in History!

Fogdog · Mar 8, 2022

56nitty said:
I referenced Cuba as an example. For you to explain how you’d feel If Russia built a military base there. That was a very simple question! You believe everything the Government tells you! You cannot possibly be that ignorant. All one has to do is read this country’s history and it will tell you all about the people who took it, where their from, and who were their allies which the same Countries are the major players of NATO. Hell the same can be said about the Iraq invasion, the Afghan invasion what happened in Afghan? Right protecting poppi fields! Why? Well the Country needed black budget money, what happened at the beginning and still happening? We went to afghan then boom we have a opioid epidemic bye bye middle class! Bye bye drug dealers! Hello black budget money from the arrests! Or bye bye debt by burning dollars. America can’t talk about invasions or killing kids while at war! Our everyday rights are being stripped away in the name of fear! Our Government is no better than any of the worst regimes you could think of in History!

^Red Herring

logic fail.

What happened in Cuba has nothing to do with Putin's invasion of Ukraine. This thread is about the War that Putin decided to start by invading Ukraine and we all know that he won't stop with that unless Russia is delivered such a hard blow it cannot make war again. That is what the west intends to do.

Go in peace.

56nitty · Mar 8, 2022

Also again who benefits from the war or wars to come that’s the number one reason for war is to make those corporate shareholders big bucks by profiting off of selling weapons, and looting other countries! Follow the money and you’d get your motives. I have to admit America is very very smart at it’s fuckery it bestows upon the world! This country is Europe’s fire power and it belongs to the crown! Hence why the Queen said we could put her name on the ballot and she would run the country!

injinji · Mar 8, 2022

So, the Cuban Missile Crisis? This will remind everyone what happened. After all I was one when it happened, and I'm sure I'm a greybeard compared to many here.

During the Cuban Missile Crisis, leaders of the U.S. and the Soviet Union engaged in a tense, 13-day political and military standoff in October 1962 over the installation of nuclear-armed Soviet missiles on Cuba, just 90 miles from U.S. shores. In a TV address on October 22, 1962, President John F. Kennedy (1917-63) notified Americans about the presence of the missiles, explained his decision to enact a naval blockade around Cuba and made it clear the U.S. was prepared to use military force if necessary to neutralize this perceived threat to national security. Following this news, many people feared the world was on the brink of nuclear war. However, disaster was avoided when the U.S. agreed to Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev’s (1894-1971) offer to remove the Cuban missiles in exchange for the U.S. promising not to invade Cuba. Kennedy also secretly agreed to remove U.S. missiles from Turkey.

Cuban Missile Crisis - Causes, Timeline & Significance | HISTORY

The Cuban Missile crisis was a 13-day political and military standoff in October 1962 over Soviet missiles in Cuba.

www.history.com

DIY-HP-LED · Mar 8, 2022

56nitty said:
Also again who benefits from the war or wars to come that’s the number one reason for war is to make those corporate shareholders big bucks by profiting off of selling weapons, and looting other countries! Follow the money and you’d get your motives. I have to admit America is very very smart at it’s fuckery it bestows upon the world! This country is Europe’s fire power and it belongs to the crown! Hence why the Queen said we could put her name on the ballot and she would run the country!

Most of the small arms in Ukraine will be soviet made, all those millions of AK47s, RPGs and mortars, with billions of rounds of ammunition are going to be used to kill the Russians who paid for them, ironic. Sure we are sending tens of thousands of Javelins NLAWs and Stingers, but they will be put to good use defending liberal democracy.

Studs Turkle called WW2 "The good war", I hope this one will be too, usually they are when you fight for what is right. It sure will be good for Biden, if he can get Vlad's head mounted on the wall over his fireplace (metaphorically speaking).

Jimdamick · Mar 8, 2022

DIY-HP-LED said:
It will be sometime before the fields of Ukraine dry up with spring rains to allow military maneuvering. Right now everybody is confined to roads, because even tanks get stuck in that shit. Vlad will have to wait for the land to dry out, because the roads are jammed with logistics now and will be lined with IEDs by then and everybody in the country will be armed to the teeth with soviet weapons. Many of the women and children will be evacuated to the west into NATO countries and the stage will be set, if this goes on it will be Hell on earth in Ukraine.

Vlads's army commanders fucked up big time.
Only one main road to Kiev from where they are and the Ukrainians blew up the ONLY FUCKING BRIDGE!!!! (oops!

)
Fuckers should have remembered what happened to..... Let's see who

1st in line to get screwed by a Russian winter were the French in 1812 when Napoleon got fucked by the cold & mud.

Then that asshole with the fucked up moustache tried again in 1941and surprise, surprise......
Mud & cold & frostbite & starvation is what Hitler got along with the destruction of Nazi Germany.
Lesson that should have been learned but apparently wasn't was that you do not start an offensive action in Mother Russia in the FUCKING WINTER!!!!!

Even I could tell you that

HydroKid239 · Mar 8, 2022

Horrible: Russian Soldiers Shot Up An Old Ukrainian Couple Who Were Driving Home! (Warning Graphic)

In murder cases they call this Overkill, It's the sign of extreme uncontrolled rage. Posted By Ghost

worldstarhiphop.com

DIY-HP-LED · Mar 8, 2022

No doubt this has been broadcast on Russian military radios to Vlad's boys in extremely hostile country with heavily armed partisans who hate their guts and who will take their lead from these guys. God help any units they over run or capture on the road.

DIY-HP-LED · Mar 8, 2022

Jimdamick said:
Vlads's army commanders fucked up big time.
Only one main road to Kiev from where they are and the Ukrainians blew up the ONLY FUCKING BRIDGE!!!! (oops! )
Fuckers should have remembered what happened to..... Let's see who

1st in line to get screwed by a Russian winter were the French in 1812 when Napoleon got fucked by the cold & mud.

Then that asshole with the fucked up moustache tried again in 1941and surprise, surprise......
Mud & cold & frostbite & starvation is what Hitler got along with the destruction of Nazi Germany.
Lesson that should have been learned but apparently wasn't was that you do not start an offensive action in Mother Russia in the FUCKING WINTER!!!!!

Even I could tell you that

Vlad had no plan B, all the roads are choked with his supplies more bridges will be destroyed and it's mud season and will be for over a month, not even tanks can move in that shit. However special forces on ATVs can get around on it and heavily armed partisans will be close by. Not many realize that NATO had millions of soviet small arms stored and ammo for them when east block countries joined, many are still using them and even made ammo for them. These guns and other shit like RPGs are being distributed to partisans all over the country by truck convoys that are still delivering them far into eastern Ukraine. Vlad can't really move until the ground dries out and the Ukrainians will be prepared by then with a warm fucking welcome. Most Ukrainians will be combat troops in their army, the young women and older men will do logistical support using NATO supplies. They have millions of fit motivated young men, it will be a Helluva show. Women and children are being evacuated to the west as best we can.

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