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Wagner chief says Russia’s war in Ukraine intended to benefit elites, accuses Moscow of lying
Wagner Group chief Yevgeny Prigozhin on Friday said Russia’s war in Ukraine is intended to benefit Russian elites and accused Moscow of lying about the full-scale invasion launched last year, escalating his feud with top Russian leadership to new heights .
In a video released on his Telegram channel and circulated widely on the internet, Prigozhin countered Russian President Vladimir Putin’s argument that invading Ukraine was necessary to denazify and demilitarize the country. Putin has also accused Kyiv of persecuting ethnic Russians and of acting as a puppet and “battering ram” against Russia on behalf of western allies.
“The war was not needed to return our Russian citizens and not to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine,” Prigozhin said in the video, claiming it was instead launched to benefit Russian leaders. “The war was needed by oligarchs. It was needed by the clan that is today practically ruling in Russia.”
Prigozhin claimed the goal of the “special military operation,” the official name for the war in Russia, was to install pro-Russian and Putin ally Viktor Medvedchuk, who is now living in exile in Russia, as president of Ukraine and to divide up the assets of the country.
“They were stealing loads in Donbas, they wanted more,” Prigozhin said, likely referring to the Russian-backed resistance launched in eastern Ukraine in 2014. He also said there was never any plan for Ukraine or the western security alliance NATO to attack Russia.
Prigozhin, whose mercenary fighters have played a key role in the war in Ukraine, has frequently railed against Russian elites, often targeting Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and the commander of Russian forces in Ukraine, Gen. Valery Gerasimov.
Analysts say Prigozhin is engaging in an unclear strategy, possibly intended to boost his public profile as a populist leader or gain influence in Moscow. Prigozhin has been known to distort facts and it’s unclear how truthful he has been in his public remarks.
Wagner Group seized the city of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine last month and lost at least 20,000 soldiers in the battle. Throughout the months-long siege of the city, Prigozhin slammed Shoigu and Gerasimov for failing to supply enough ammunition and repeatedly called them cowards.
After the seizure of Bakhmut, Prigozhin accused Russian leadership of floundering in the war effort and suggesting that inequality and imbalanced elitist power could lead to a revolution, similar to the Bolshevik communist overthrow in 1917.
Prigozhin also clashed with Russian soldiers late last month when his fighters pulled out of Bakhmut to regroup and recover, accusing a squadron of planting explosives and firing at his men when they moved to disarm them.
Prigozhin showed a video of a captured Russian officer allegedly saying he was intoxicated when he gave the order to fire and had a personal resentment against Wagner Group.
Putin has not publicly responded to Prigozhin, but Russia has moved to rein in Wagner Group, forcing allied fighters of the Russian army to sign a contract that would allow Moscow to exert more control.
While Chechen leader Ramzan Kadarov has signed the order for his paramilitary forces, Prigozhin is resisting the contract, ordered by the Kremlin, as a July 1 deadline approaches.
The Friday video appears to be a personal tell-all of Prigozhin’s experience during the war in Ukraine. The Wagner chief accused Shoigu and Gerasimov of being responsible for genocide and the “murder of tens of thousands of Russian citizens.”
Prigozhin said Russia is purposely distorting facts about losses in the conflict and that when his fighters arrived in the spring of last year, victory was not possible, claiming there was “hysteria” and “no management” in the operation.
Prigozhin also said Russia was losing ground as Ukrainian forces move forward in the counteroffensive launched earlier this month, countering the narrative from Putin that Ukraine is suffering a “catastrophic” defeat in the offensive push and stands “no chance” of winning.
“On the ground now, as of today, the Russian army is retreating,” he said. “We’re washing the blood. … There is no control. Same hysteria.”
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Wagner Group chief Yevgeny Prigozhin on Friday said Russia’s war in Ukraine is intended to benefit Russian elites and accused Moscow of lying about the full-scale invasion launched last year, escalating his feud with top Russian leadership to new heights .
In a video released on his Telegram channel and circulated widely on the internet, Prigozhin countered Russian President Vladimir Putin’s argument that invading Ukraine was necessary to denazify and demilitarize the country. Putin has also accused Kyiv of persecuting ethnic Russians and of acting as a puppet and “battering ram” against Russia on behalf of western allies.
“The war was not needed to return our Russian citizens and not to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine,” Prigozhin said in the video, claiming it was instead launched to benefit Russian leaders. “The war was needed by oligarchs. It was needed by the clan that is today practically ruling in Russia.”
Prigozhin claimed the goal of the “special military operation,” the official name for the war in Russia, was to install pro-Russian and Putin ally Viktor Medvedchuk, who is now living in exile in Russia, as president of Ukraine and to divide up the assets of the country.
“They were stealing loads in Donbas, they wanted more,” Prigozhin said, likely referring to the Russian-backed resistance launched in eastern Ukraine in 2014. He also said there was never any plan for Ukraine or the western security alliance NATO to attack Russia.
Prigozhin, whose mercenary fighters have played a key role in the war in Ukraine, has frequently railed against Russian elites, often targeting Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and the commander of Russian forces in Ukraine, Gen. Valery Gerasimov.
Analysts say Prigozhin is engaging in an unclear strategy, possibly intended to boost his public profile as a populist leader or gain influence in Moscow. Prigozhin has been known to distort facts and it’s unclear how truthful he has been in his public remarks.
Wagner Group seized the city of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine last month and lost at least 20,000 soldiers in the battle. Throughout the months-long siege of the city, Prigozhin slammed Shoigu and Gerasimov for failing to supply enough ammunition and repeatedly called them cowards.
After the seizure of Bakhmut, Prigozhin accused Russian leadership of floundering in the war effort and suggesting that inequality and imbalanced elitist power could lead to a revolution, similar to the Bolshevik communist overthrow in 1917.
Prigozhin also clashed with Russian soldiers late last month when his fighters pulled out of Bakhmut to regroup and recover, accusing a squadron of planting explosives and firing at his men when they moved to disarm them.
Prigozhin showed a video of a captured Russian officer allegedly saying he was intoxicated when he gave the order to fire and had a personal resentment against Wagner Group.
Putin has not publicly responded to Prigozhin, but Russia has moved to rein in Wagner Group, forcing allied fighters of the Russian army to sign a contract that would allow Moscow to exert more control.
While Chechen leader Ramzan Kadarov has signed the order for his paramilitary forces, Prigozhin is resisting the contract, ordered by the Kremlin, as a July 1 deadline approaches.
The Friday video appears to be a personal tell-all of Prigozhin’s experience during the war in Ukraine. The Wagner chief accused Shoigu and Gerasimov of being responsible for genocide and the “murder of tens of thousands of Russian citizens.”
Prigozhin said Russia is purposely distorting facts about losses in the conflict and that when his fighters arrived in the spring of last year, victory was not possible, claiming there was “hysteria” and “no management” in the operation.
Prigozhin also said Russia was losing ground as Ukrainian forces move forward in the counteroffensive launched earlier this month, countering the narrative from Putin that Ukraine is suffering a “catastrophic” defeat in the offensive push and stands “no chance” of winning.
“On the ground now, as of today, the Russian army is retreating,” he said. “We’re washing the blood. … There is no control. Same hysteria.”
Wagner chief says Russia’s war in Ukraine intended to benefit elites, accuses Moscow of lying
Wagner Group chief Yevgeny Prigozhin on Friday said Russia’s war in Ukraine is intended to benefit Russian elites and accused Moscow of lying about the full-scale invasion launched last year,…
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Balance: traffic on Chongarsky bridge will be opened in 15-20 days
Traffic on the Chongar bridge will not be opened for 15-20 days due to serious damage. This was told by the Acting Governor of the Kherson region Volodymyr Saldo.
“Traffic on the Chongarsky bridge between the Kherson region and Crimea will not be opened for 15-20 days, the damage was serious. Research work will be carried out on the bridge, it is not yet suitable for movement, ”Vladimir Saldo said on the air of the Rossiya 24 TV channel.
Ukraine attacked bridges on the border of Crimea and Kherson region on June 22 . The Chongarsky bridge was damaged. According to Saldo, the strike was carried out with the help of British long-range Storm Shadow missiles. The Main Directorate of Intelligence of Ukraine (GUR) claimed responsibility for blowing up the bridge .
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Traffic on the Chongar bridge will not be opened for 15-20 days due to serious damage. This was told by the Acting Governor of the Kherson region Volodymyr Saldo.
“Traffic on the Chongarsky bridge between the Kherson region and Crimea will not be opened for 15-20 days, the damage was serious. Research work will be carried out on the bridge, it is not yet suitable for movement, ”Vladimir Saldo said on the air of the Rossiya 24 TV channel.
Ukraine attacked bridges on the border of Crimea and Kherson region on June 22 . The Chongarsky bridge was damaged. According to Saldo, the strike was carried out with the help of British long-range Storm Shadow missiles. The Main Directorate of Intelligence of Ukraine (GUR) claimed responsibility for blowing up the bridge .
Сальдо: движение по Чонгарскому мосту откроют через 15-20 дней
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Nuclear war is a bad way to solve problems
Alexei Arbatov, Konstantin Bogdanov and Dmitry Stefanovich, experts from the Center for International Security at IMEMO RAS , in an article written specifically for Kommersant, discuss the consequences of a possible limited use of nuclear weapons, which a number of other Russian political scientists advocate.
Recently, Russian public discourse has been promoting the idea of using nuclear weapons for the speedy and successful completion of the military operation in Ukraine. Specifically, it is proposed to quickly climb all the stages of escalation, to intimidate the West with nuclear weapons as much as possible and, if it does not retreat, to launch a nuclear strike on a group of targets in a number of NATO countries that are most actively helping Ukraine. Thus, it is supposed to impose a "strategic retreat and capitulation" on the West, to put an end to its centuries-old neo-colonial domination and to achieve "a brighter future" through nuclear war. It makes no sense to analyze this scenario point by point (described in the article by the honorary chairman of the presidium of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy Sergei Karaganov, “A Difficult but Necessary Decision”, published last week in the Profile magazine.— “ Kommersant ”). However, in the event that the underlying provisions reflect the direction of thought of a certain group of the elite, a number of comments should be made.
First, the position of the top Russian leadership on this issue was clearly expressed. Thus, Russian President Vladimir Putin has repeatedly stressed : “We do not have a preventive strike in our concept of using nuclear weapons. Our concept is a retaliatory strike." Just the other day, at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, the president said : “Nuclear weapons are being created in order to ensure our security in the broadest sense of the word and the existence of the Russian state. But we, firstly, do not have such a need (to use nuclear weapons. - Kommersant ), and secondly, the very factor of reasoning on this topic already lowers the possibility of lowering the threshold for the use of weapons.
Secondly, this topic is also touched upon in the new “Foreign Policy Concept of Russia”, which says: “In order to ensure strategic stability, eliminate the prerequisites for unleashing a global war and the risks of using nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction… The Russian Federation intends to give priority attention to ... preventing the aggravation of interstate relations to a level capable of provoking military conflicts, including with the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction.” Russia's military doctrinal documents also contradict the above proposals.
However, everyone has the right to express a point of view that differs from the official one - as long as it is convincingly substantiated. But here lies the key drawback of such initiatives, and this is third.
First about physics
The opinion that nuclear weapons can be regarded as a kind of "sterile" strike tool with a reduced yield of side factors is erroneous. Indeed, in recent years, progress in the creation of high-precision delivery vehicles has made it possible to equip them with reduced-yield nuclear warheads without compromising the effectiveness of hitting targets. However, the scale of the consequences of using even a low-power explosive device far exceeds the capabilities of all other means of destruction available to humanity. A test explosion in a deep adit at a range is completely different from the combat use of weapons in the atmosphere or on the ground in a densely populated country. In fact, nuclear weapons, in terms of the totality of their damaging properties, remain the "dirtiest" of all types of weapons of mass destruction. The bombs that wiped out Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
In addition to the shock wave, the main part of the energy of a nuclear explosion is released in the form of light radiation. So, for example, when using a tactical warhead within the Hiroshima power (15-20 kt), a blinding effect and third-degree burns for unprotected skin are guaranteed at a distance of up to 2.7 km, and at a distance closer than 2 km - the fourth, and this is the main form of damage of people.
Under the same conditions, a lethal dose of instantaneous penetrating radiation (without taking into account the effect of subsequent radioactive fallout) will be received by everyone within a radius of 1.5 km, and acute radiation sickness is guaranteed at a distance of up to 2 km.
The electromagnetic pulse is a separate threat due to the intensive introduction of information, telecommunications and digital services into everyday life. The defeat of electronics and power lines in the area of application of nuclear weapons will not only affect military systems, but will also lead to additional disorganization of civil services, utilities, transport and rescue operations.
Simulation of a single 200 kt nuclear strike against a military target (for example, at the Aviano airbase in northern Italy, where US tactical nuclear bombs are stored) showed that the total civilian casualties would be up to 244 thousand people, and about 17 thousand people would die instantly .
Strategy
The view that the use of nuclear weapons can stop the escalation and solve strategic problems that could not be solved by conventional military forces is highly doubtful and most likely erroneous. Recent history has given many examples of how military operations that began led to unforeseen consequences, but this was without the use of nuclear weapons. A nuclear strike will raise the conflict to a fundamentally different level of unpredictability and greatly increase the stakes of confrontation. The 78-year-old “nuclear taboo” will be broken, and this, being spread around the world live on television and the Internet, will cause a political and psychological shock on a global scale. The reaction will be immeasurably larger and more acute than in the days of Hiroshima.
Having crossed this Rubicon, it will become much more difficult to stop. All stages of a possible escalation are unpredictable, but the first stages are not difficult to foresee. The NATO operation (which, apparently, is already planned) will be a massive strike using high-precision conventional weapons against all reachable military targets of the other side on land and at sea (which is called an “aerospace attack” in the Russian Military Doctrine).
Then it will become almost impossible to agree on a ceasefire, not to mention a peaceful settlement of the conflict. The parties will be left with nothing but further nuclear escalation in terms of the number, capacity and geographical coverage of the means involved.
The rapid escalation of strikes will trigger attacks against military and infrastructure targets that are in close proximity to major cities, which eliminates any considerations about the "selective" use of nuclear weapons. This will inevitably lead to an exchange of massive nuclear strikes between Russia and the West, with catastrophic consequences for them and the rest of the world.
The long-term consequences of nuclear exchanges, even within the first hundreds (rather than thousands) of munitions, will be long-term and complex on a global scale. The collapse of global and regional logistics will lead to acute shortages of essential products, including food and medicine, fuel, as well as equipment, spare parts, consumables and semi-finished products for no matter how complex production.
The nature of the impact of limited nuclear exchanges in regional wars has been explored in detail over the last twenty years in the case of a hypothetical conflict between India and Pakistan. simulation shows that the use of just 100 munitions with a yield of no more than 15 kt each in such a conflict will lead to a drop in agricultural productivity of the entire planet by 10-25% for major crops over the course of a decade.
This situation will inevitably be accompanied by global instability in the form of multimillion-dollar forced migration, an unprecedented drop in the quality of life of survivors, an increase in violence and related wars.
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Alexei Arbatov, Konstantin Bogdanov and Dmitry Stefanovich, experts from the Center for International Security at IMEMO RAS , in an article written specifically for Kommersant, discuss the consequences of a possible limited use of nuclear weapons, which a number of other Russian political scientists advocate.
Recently, Russian public discourse has been promoting the idea of using nuclear weapons for the speedy and successful completion of the military operation in Ukraine. Specifically, it is proposed to quickly climb all the stages of escalation, to intimidate the West with nuclear weapons as much as possible and, if it does not retreat, to launch a nuclear strike on a group of targets in a number of NATO countries that are most actively helping Ukraine. Thus, it is supposed to impose a "strategic retreat and capitulation" on the West, to put an end to its centuries-old neo-colonial domination and to achieve "a brighter future" through nuclear war. It makes no sense to analyze this scenario point by point (described in the article by the honorary chairman of the presidium of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy Sergei Karaganov, “A Difficult but Necessary Decision”, published last week in the Profile magazine.— “ Kommersant ”). However, in the event that the underlying provisions reflect the direction of thought of a certain group of the elite, a number of comments should be made.
First, the position of the top Russian leadership on this issue was clearly expressed. Thus, Russian President Vladimir Putin has repeatedly stressed : “We do not have a preventive strike in our concept of using nuclear weapons. Our concept is a retaliatory strike." Just the other day, at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, the president said : “Nuclear weapons are being created in order to ensure our security in the broadest sense of the word and the existence of the Russian state. But we, firstly, do not have such a need (to use nuclear weapons. - Kommersant ), and secondly, the very factor of reasoning on this topic already lowers the possibility of lowering the threshold for the use of weapons.
Secondly, this topic is also touched upon in the new “Foreign Policy Concept of Russia”, which says: “In order to ensure strategic stability, eliminate the prerequisites for unleashing a global war and the risks of using nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction… The Russian Federation intends to give priority attention to ... preventing the aggravation of interstate relations to a level capable of provoking military conflicts, including with the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction.” Russia's military doctrinal documents also contradict the above proposals.
However, everyone has the right to express a point of view that differs from the official one - as long as it is convincingly substantiated. But here lies the key drawback of such initiatives, and this is third.
First about physics
The opinion that nuclear weapons can be regarded as a kind of "sterile" strike tool with a reduced yield of side factors is erroneous. Indeed, in recent years, progress in the creation of high-precision delivery vehicles has made it possible to equip them with reduced-yield nuclear warheads without compromising the effectiveness of hitting targets. However, the scale of the consequences of using even a low-power explosive device far exceeds the capabilities of all other means of destruction available to humanity. A test explosion in a deep adit at a range is completely different from the combat use of weapons in the atmosphere or on the ground in a densely populated country. In fact, nuclear weapons, in terms of the totality of their damaging properties, remain the "dirtiest" of all types of weapons of mass destruction. The bombs that wiped out Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
In addition to the shock wave, the main part of the energy of a nuclear explosion is released in the form of light radiation. So, for example, when using a tactical warhead within the Hiroshima power (15-20 kt), a blinding effect and third-degree burns for unprotected skin are guaranteed at a distance of up to 2.7 km, and at a distance closer than 2 km - the fourth, and this is the main form of damage of people.
Under the same conditions, a lethal dose of instantaneous penetrating radiation (without taking into account the effect of subsequent radioactive fallout) will be received by everyone within a radius of 1.5 km, and acute radiation sickness is guaranteed at a distance of up to 2 km.
The electromagnetic pulse is a separate threat due to the intensive introduction of information, telecommunications and digital services into everyday life. The defeat of electronics and power lines in the area of application of nuclear weapons will not only affect military systems, but will also lead to additional disorganization of civil services, utilities, transport and rescue operations.
Simulation of a single 200 kt nuclear strike against a military target (for example, at the Aviano airbase in northern Italy, where US tactical nuclear bombs are stored) showed that the total civilian casualties would be up to 244 thousand people, and about 17 thousand people would die instantly .
Strategy
The view that the use of nuclear weapons can stop the escalation and solve strategic problems that could not be solved by conventional military forces is highly doubtful and most likely erroneous. Recent history has given many examples of how military operations that began led to unforeseen consequences, but this was without the use of nuclear weapons. A nuclear strike will raise the conflict to a fundamentally different level of unpredictability and greatly increase the stakes of confrontation. The 78-year-old “nuclear taboo” will be broken, and this, being spread around the world live on television and the Internet, will cause a political and psychological shock on a global scale. The reaction will be immeasurably larger and more acute than in the days of Hiroshima.
Having crossed this Rubicon, it will become much more difficult to stop. All stages of a possible escalation are unpredictable, but the first stages are not difficult to foresee. The NATO operation (which, apparently, is already planned) will be a massive strike using high-precision conventional weapons against all reachable military targets of the other side on land and at sea (which is called an “aerospace attack” in the Russian Military Doctrine).
Then it will become almost impossible to agree on a ceasefire, not to mention a peaceful settlement of the conflict. The parties will be left with nothing but further nuclear escalation in terms of the number, capacity and geographical coverage of the means involved.
The rapid escalation of strikes will trigger attacks against military and infrastructure targets that are in close proximity to major cities, which eliminates any considerations about the "selective" use of nuclear weapons. This will inevitably lead to an exchange of massive nuclear strikes between Russia and the West, with catastrophic consequences for them and the rest of the world.
The long-term consequences of nuclear exchanges, even within the first hundreds (rather than thousands) of munitions, will be long-term and complex on a global scale. The collapse of global and regional logistics will lead to acute shortages of essential products, including food and medicine, fuel, as well as equipment, spare parts, consumables and semi-finished products for no matter how complex production.
The nature of the impact of limited nuclear exchanges in regional wars has been explored in detail over the last twenty years in the case of a hypothetical conflict between India and Pakistan. simulation shows that the use of just 100 munitions with a yield of no more than 15 kt each in such a conflict will lead to a drop in agricultural productivity of the entire planet by 10-25% for major crops over the course of a decade.
This situation will inevitably be accompanied by global instability in the form of multimillion-dollar forced migration, an unprecedented drop in the quality of life of survivors, an increase in violence and related wars.
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In terms of the EMERCOM of Russia, direct (immediate) and indirect (indirect) consequences of nuclear explosions on people and their environment are distinguished, which, in turn, are divided into immediate and distant ones. Direct consequences are caused by the direct impact of the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion, including long-term consequences in the form of radioactive contamination of the area. The consequences associated with the "disintegration of the economy, the destruction of the material and technical foundations and social aspects of society" are considered indirect. These are proposed to include food shortages, housing shortages, outbreaks of epidemics, a significant increase in the incidence of the population, including mental illness.
Indirect ones include biomedical and environmental impacts due to the depletion of the ozone layer of the atmosphere, climate change and other currently unpredictable phenomena.
Escalation through the tiers of aerospace strikes and nuclear attacks will quickly lead the conflict to an exchange of massive strikes. The consequences would be nothing but a global catastrophe and the death of modern civilization.
And much more in the following months - as a result of the spread of radioactive fallout throughout the planet, the "nuclear winter" due to the smoke of the atmosphere from extensive fires, from hunger and cold as a result of the destruction of modern socio-economic and state infrastructures.
There will also be devastating consequences from what was not previously considered, but inspired by the experience of COVID-19 and what can be loosely called a “nuclear pandemic”. We are talking about infectious diseases due to the decomposition of tens of millions of unburied bodies, the spread of countless carriers of medieval and modern diseases mutating under the influence of radiation (these include cholera, typhus and typhoid fever, dysentery, plague and smallpox - during the destruction of cattle burial grounds and special laboratories) . And all this - with the complete collapse of all industries, systems and healthcare facilities.
Policy
Older people may remember the early 1960s controversy between the CPSU and the CPC about the peaceful coexistence of socialism and capitalism. At that time, the Chinese comrades called for boldly taking the risk of a nuclear war, in which socialism would certainly win and after which it would be possible to build a communist future without hindrance. Soviet representatives rightly pointed out that radioactive ruins were a poor foundation for a communist future. As a result, the idea of peaceful coexistence won, thanks to which we, the Chinese, and all other peoples of the world now live on this Earth.
It is unlikely that anyone could have imagined then, and even more so a few years ago, that such ideas of a final victory over the West with the help of a nuclear war would be revived today. Meanwhile, in the mentioned article, the author, on the basis of the deja vu principle, again calls to go "through all the thorns and traumas" to the future, which he sees as "bright - multipolar, multicultural, multicolored, enabling all countries and peoples to build their own and common destiny." No wonder they say that the new is the well-forgotten old. The radioactive ruins that a game of "nuclear roulette" can most likely lead to are the worst foundation for a brighter future. Fans of sensational ideas and dangerous gambling should remember this.
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Indirect ones include biomedical and environmental impacts due to the depletion of the ozone layer of the atmosphere, climate change and other currently unpredictable phenomena.
Escalation through the tiers of aerospace strikes and nuclear attacks will quickly lead the conflict to an exchange of massive strikes. The consequences would be nothing but a global catastrophe and the death of modern civilization.
And much more in the following months - as a result of the spread of radioactive fallout throughout the planet, the "nuclear winter" due to the smoke of the atmosphere from extensive fires, from hunger and cold as a result of the destruction of modern socio-economic and state infrastructures.
There will also be devastating consequences from what was not previously considered, but inspired by the experience of COVID-19 and what can be loosely called a “nuclear pandemic”. We are talking about infectious diseases due to the decomposition of tens of millions of unburied bodies, the spread of countless carriers of medieval and modern diseases mutating under the influence of radiation (these include cholera, typhus and typhoid fever, dysentery, plague and smallpox - during the destruction of cattle burial grounds and special laboratories) . And all this - with the complete collapse of all industries, systems and healthcare facilities.
Policy
Older people may remember the early 1960s controversy between the CPSU and the CPC about the peaceful coexistence of socialism and capitalism. At that time, the Chinese comrades called for boldly taking the risk of a nuclear war, in which socialism would certainly win and after which it would be possible to build a communist future without hindrance. Soviet representatives rightly pointed out that radioactive ruins were a poor foundation for a communist future. As a result, the idea of peaceful coexistence won, thanks to which we, the Chinese, and all other peoples of the world now live on this Earth.
It is unlikely that anyone could have imagined then, and even more so a few years ago, that such ideas of a final victory over the West with the help of a nuclear war would be revived today. Meanwhile, in the mentioned article, the author, on the basis of the deja vu principle, again calls to go "through all the thorns and traumas" to the future, which he sees as "bright - multipolar, multicultural, multicolored, enabling all countries and peoples to build their own and common destiny." No wonder they say that the new is the well-forgotten old. The radioactive ruins that a game of "nuclear roulette" can most likely lead to are the worst foundation for a brighter future. Fans of sensational ideas and dangerous gambling should remember this.
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yeah, he's not a happy camper right now...if u listen to the rest of it, he really rants hard
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The idea is to destroy the Russian military, gaining ground comes later, but for now they are being stupid so take advantage of it.
Ukraine Update: Pyatykhatky and Pickett’s Charge
Everyone seems to be disappointed by the rate at which the Ukrainian counteroffensive is liberating territory … only it’s not clear that the Ukrainian military is actually part of that “...
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Russia's influence over former Soviet republics is starting to fade | DW News
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Moldova is ramping up its EU membership push, and Georgia is still trying to get its candidacy status. Meanwhile, Kazakhstan is looking to diversify its economic partnerships with China, Turkey and the West. From Eastern Europe to Central Asia, Russia’s influence on the former Soviet states seems to be waning.
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War in Ukraine: inside Russia’s divided military elite
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With Ukraine’s counteroffensive under way, infighting has broken out within Russia’s military elite. How will Ukraine’s successes on the battleground deepen divisions in Moscow?
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Wagner mercenary chief calls for armed rebellion against Russian military leadership
The head of Russia's Wagner mercenary group appears to be threatening an armed rebellion against Russia's military leadership, after accusing it of deliberately shelling his forces on Friday.
Wagner's founder Yevgeny Prigozhin in an audio message on Friday claimed his forces would now punish Russia's defense minister and chief of general staff, telling other units to stand down and not offer resistance.
"There are 25,000 of us and we are coming to sort things out. ... Those who want to join us, it's time to finish with this mess," Prigozhin said.
Prigozhin also accused defense minister Sergey Shoigu of "cowardly fleeing" from Rostov in southern Russia and ordering an attack on Wagner forces.
Prigozhin published a shaky video on Friday that showed a shattered group of trees and a burning trench, claiming it was a Wagner camp shelled by Russian troops and alleging many Wagner troops were killed.
Russia's defense ministry has already denounced the video, calling it an "information provocation."
A Kremlin spokesperson said Russian President Vladimir Putin is aware of the video.
"President Putin has been informed of all the events around Prigozhin. Necessary measures are being taken," the spokesperson said.
Russia's FSB has issued a statement accusing Prigohzin of calling for "the start of an armed civil conflict" in Russia.
The FSB called on Wagner fighters not to follow Prigozhin's orders and to assist in his arrest.
Prigozhin has denied this is a "military coup" calling it a "march for justice."
"They neglect the lives of soldiers, they forgot the word 'justice,' and we will return it," Prigozhin said in the video. "Therefore, those who destroyed our guys today, and tens of thousands of lives of Russian soldiers, will be punished."
Gen. Sergey Surovikin, a senior Russian general who has been linked with Prigozhin, gave a video address calling on Wagner fighters to stop their rebellion and turn back.
Surovikin was appointed the top commander of Russia's 'special military operation' in Ukraine between last September and January. He was removed in January and replaced by Russia's chief of the general staff Valery Gerasimov, whom Prigozhin is trying to topple.
This comes hours after Prigozhin launched an extraordinary verbal attack on Russia's military leadership, and saying the invasion of Ukraine was based on lies.
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The head of Russia's Wagner mercenary group appears to be threatening an armed rebellion against Russia's military leadership, after accusing it of deliberately shelling his forces on Friday.
Wagner's founder Yevgeny Prigozhin in an audio message on Friday claimed his forces would now punish Russia's defense minister and chief of general staff, telling other units to stand down and not offer resistance.
"There are 25,000 of us and we are coming to sort things out. ... Those who want to join us, it's time to finish with this mess," Prigozhin said.
Prigozhin also accused defense minister Sergey Shoigu of "cowardly fleeing" from Rostov in southern Russia and ordering an attack on Wagner forces.
Prigozhin published a shaky video on Friday that showed a shattered group of trees and a burning trench, claiming it was a Wagner camp shelled by Russian troops and alleging many Wagner troops were killed.
Russia's defense ministry has already denounced the video, calling it an "information provocation."
A Kremlin spokesperson said Russian President Vladimir Putin is aware of the video.
"President Putin has been informed of all the events around Prigozhin. Necessary measures are being taken," the spokesperson said.
Russia's FSB has issued a statement accusing Prigohzin of calling for "the start of an armed civil conflict" in Russia.
The FSB called on Wagner fighters not to follow Prigozhin's orders and to assist in his arrest.
Prigozhin has denied this is a "military coup" calling it a "march for justice."
"They neglect the lives of soldiers, they forgot the word 'justice,' and we will return it," Prigozhin said in the video. "Therefore, those who destroyed our guys today, and tens of thousands of lives of Russian soldiers, will be punished."
Gen. Sergey Surovikin, a senior Russian general who has been linked with Prigozhin, gave a video address calling on Wagner fighters to stop their rebellion and turn back.
Surovikin was appointed the top commander of Russia's 'special military operation' in Ukraine between last September and January. He was removed in January and replaced by Russia's chief of the general staff Valery Gerasimov, whom Prigozhin is trying to topple.
This comes hours after Prigozhin launched an extraordinary verbal attack on Russia's military leadership, and saying the invasion of Ukraine was based on lies.
Wagner mercenary chief calls for armed rebellion against Russian military leadership
Russia's Wagner mercenary group founder, Yevgeny Prigozhin, has said the Kremlin's justifications for invading Ukraine were based on lies.
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Wagner’s ‘march of justice’ All of Yevgeny Prigozhin’s posts about his apparent military coup
Wagner Group founder Yevgeny Prigozhin released a series of announcements on June 23, accusing Russia’s Defense Ministry of intentionally striking Wagner positions. “We’re 25,000 strong, and we’re going to get to the bottom of the lawlessness in this country,” he said, adding Wagner Group had decided to “stop the evil that [Russia’s] military leadership is carrying out.” He said of Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, “This creature will be stopped.” Here’s a timeline of all Prigozhin’s announcements.
June 23, 21:09 (Moscow time)
“They deceived us despicably and tried to deprive us of the possibility of defending our homes. We were ready to make concessions to the Defense Ministry, to surrender our weapons, and to find a solution about how we’ll continue to defend our country. But that scum wouldn’t calm down. Today, seeing that we aren’t broken, they decided to launch rocket attacks on our rear camps. A huge number of fighters were killed, our comrades in arms. We’ll decide how to respond to this atrocity. The ball’s in our court.”
June 23, 21:25
The Wagner Group commanders’ council has made a decision. The evil that the country’s military leadership is carrying out must be stopped. They neglect soldiers’ lives. They’ve forgotten the word “justice” and we’re bringing it back. Those who destroyed our guys today, those who destroyed many tens of thousands of Russian soldiers’ lives will be punished.
I ask that no one put up resistance. Anyone who tries to resist we will consider a threat, and we will swiftly eliminate. Including any checkpoints we meet on the road. Any aircraft we spot above us. I ask that everyone remain calm and not succumb to provocation, and to remain at home. Be advised not to go outside along our route.
After we finish what we’ve started, we’ll return to the front to defend our Motherland. Presidential power, the government, the Internal Affairs Ministry, the National Guard, and other structures will work as they did before. We’ll deal with anyone who destroys the lives of Russian soldiers, and we’ll return to the front. Justice for the troops will be restored, and after that, justice for all of Russia.
June 23, 21:41
Shoigu just fled Rostov like a coward. At 21:00 he ran like a coward, like a girl. In order to not explain that, he ordered helicopters to destroy our guys, that’s why the rocket strike happened. This creature will be stopped.
June 23, 21:49
We’re 25,000 strong, and we’re going to get to the bottom of the lawlessness in this country. 25,000 are waiting as a tactical reserve, while the strategic reserve is the entire army and the entire country. Everyone who wants to, join us. We need to put an end to this disgrace.
June 23, 22:15
The details are becoming clear. The Defense Minister went to Rostov specially to conduct an operation to destroy Wagner Group. He used artillery and helicopters by dark to destroy us.
June 23, 22:29
This is no military coup. This is a justice march. Our actions in no way interfere with the troops.
June 23, 22:39
The majority of the troops support us strongly. We get messages like “Thanks, guys! Finally justice is coming to the army. You’ll finally get it so they give us ammunition and stop throwing us out like dead meat.” The information has just come in that the defense minister tried to hide 2,000 bodies stored in the Rostov morgue, so as not to show losses.
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Prigozhin's "mutiny": how the authorities react
The FSB initiated the second criminal case in the history of the Russian Federation against him under the article "Armed rebellion"
The Center for Public Relations of the FSB, after the institution of a criminal case, called on the members of the PMC "Wagner" not to carry out the "criminal orders" of Yevgeny Prigozhin and "take measures to detain him." The FSB charges the businessman himself with organizing an armed rebellion - this article is applied for the second time in the history of the Russian Federation (the first time in relation to Colonel Vladimir Kvachkov). Under the Criminal Code, Prigozhin faces up to 20 years in prison.
Appeal of the generals of the Ministry of Defense
Army General Sergei Surovikin, who is considered Prigozhin's closest ally in the Russian Defense Ministry, addressed the fighters of the PMC "Wagner" through the telegram channel of the military commander of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company Andrey Rudenko. He suggested that the "Wagnerites" "stop the columns" and return to "places of permanent deployment", as well as obey the "supreme commander", that is, Vladimir Putin . Thus, the representative of the Ministry of Defense acknowledged the seriousness of the threat. Surovikin sat in the frame with a machine gun in his hands and claimed that he had just arrived from the front line. At the same time, according to the general’s facial expressions, it can be assumed that he read his appeal through a teleprompter.
Another general, Vladimir Alekseev, First Deputy Chief of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, spoke on a video in the channel of Komsomolskaya Pravda military correspondent Alexander Kots. The room in which Alekseev was recorded is identical to the place where Surovikin spoke from.
Armored vehicles on the streets of Russian cities
Armored vehicles appeared on the streets of the largest city closest to the combat zone - Rostov-on-Don. Earlier, “military correspondents” in telegram channels reported that columns of “Wagnerites” with heavy armored vehicles were moving through two border crossings between the DPR and the Rostov region. On the streets of the center of Rostov-on-Don , a large number of vehicles of the National Guard and wheeled armored cars appeared in parallel . Local media reports that security officials in the city have introduced the "Fortress" plan, which implies a state of siege for police buildings and other law enforcement agencies.
They report about armored vehicles on the streets of Moscow. One armored personnel carrier and several military trucks were spotted in the area of Okhotny Ryad and Bolshaya Dmitrovka
State media reaction
In addition, the Russia-24 TV channel interrupted the night broadcast of the International Panorama program for the sake of a one and a half minute news report. In it, the presenter read out a press release from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation , in which Prigozhin's statement about a missile attack on the Wagner camps was called a provocation that did not correspond to reality.
Vladimir Putin's reaction
At midnight Moscow time, the President's address on the occasion of Youth Day appeared on the website. In it, he urged: "Believe in yourself, dream boldly, achieve your goals, and success will surely come."
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Wagner Group founder Yevgeny Prigozhin released a series of announcements on June 23, accusing Russia’s Defense Ministry of intentionally striking Wagner positions. “We’re 25,000 strong, and we’re going to get to the bottom of the lawlessness in this country,” he said, adding Wagner Group had decided to “stop the evil that [Russia’s] military leadership is carrying out.” He said of Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, “This creature will be stopped.” Here’s a timeline of all Prigozhin’s announcements.
June 23, 21:09 (Moscow time)
“They deceived us despicably and tried to deprive us of the possibility of defending our homes. We were ready to make concessions to the Defense Ministry, to surrender our weapons, and to find a solution about how we’ll continue to defend our country. But that scum wouldn’t calm down. Today, seeing that we aren’t broken, they decided to launch rocket attacks on our rear camps. A huge number of fighters were killed, our comrades in arms. We’ll decide how to respond to this atrocity. The ball’s in our court.”
June 23, 21:25
The Wagner Group commanders’ council has made a decision. The evil that the country’s military leadership is carrying out must be stopped. They neglect soldiers’ lives. They’ve forgotten the word “justice” and we’re bringing it back. Those who destroyed our guys today, those who destroyed many tens of thousands of Russian soldiers’ lives will be punished.
I ask that no one put up resistance. Anyone who tries to resist we will consider a threat, and we will swiftly eliminate. Including any checkpoints we meet on the road. Any aircraft we spot above us. I ask that everyone remain calm and not succumb to provocation, and to remain at home. Be advised not to go outside along our route.
After we finish what we’ve started, we’ll return to the front to defend our Motherland. Presidential power, the government, the Internal Affairs Ministry, the National Guard, and other structures will work as they did before. We’ll deal with anyone who destroys the lives of Russian soldiers, and we’ll return to the front. Justice for the troops will be restored, and after that, justice for all of Russia.
June 23, 21:41
Shoigu just fled Rostov like a coward. At 21:00 he ran like a coward, like a girl. In order to not explain that, he ordered helicopters to destroy our guys, that’s why the rocket strike happened. This creature will be stopped.
June 23, 21:49
We’re 25,000 strong, and we’re going to get to the bottom of the lawlessness in this country. 25,000 are waiting as a tactical reserve, while the strategic reserve is the entire army and the entire country. Everyone who wants to, join us. We need to put an end to this disgrace.
June 23, 22:15
The details are becoming clear. The Defense Minister went to Rostov specially to conduct an operation to destroy Wagner Group. He used artillery and helicopters by dark to destroy us.
June 23, 22:29
This is no military coup. This is a justice march. Our actions in no way interfere with the troops.
June 23, 22:39
The majority of the troops support us strongly. We get messages like “Thanks, guys! Finally justice is coming to the army. You’ll finally get it so they give us ammunition and stop throwing us out like dead meat.” The information has just come in that the defense minister tried to hide 2,000 bodies stored in the Rostov morgue, so as not to show losses.
Wagner’s ‘march of justice’ All of Yevgeny Prigozhin’s posts about his apparent military coup — Meduza
Wagner Group founder Yevgeny Prigozhin released a series of announcements on June 23, accusing Russia’s Defense Ministry of intentionally striking Wagner positions. “We’re 25,000 strong, and we’re going to get to the bottom of the lawlessness in this country,” he said, adding Wagner Group had...
Prigozhin's "mutiny": how the authorities react
The FSB initiated the second criminal case in the history of the Russian Federation against him under the article "Armed rebellion"
The Center for Public Relations of the FSB, after the institution of a criminal case, called on the members of the PMC "Wagner" not to carry out the "criminal orders" of Yevgeny Prigozhin and "take measures to detain him." The FSB charges the businessman himself with organizing an armed rebellion - this article is applied for the second time in the history of the Russian Federation (the first time in relation to Colonel Vladimir Kvachkov). Under the Criminal Code, Prigozhin faces up to 20 years in prison.
Appeal of the generals of the Ministry of Defense
Army General Sergei Surovikin, who is considered Prigozhin's closest ally in the Russian Defense Ministry, addressed the fighters of the PMC "Wagner" through the telegram channel of the military commander of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company Andrey Rudenko. He suggested that the "Wagnerites" "stop the columns" and return to "places of permanent deployment", as well as obey the "supreme commander", that is, Vladimir Putin . Thus, the representative of the Ministry of Defense acknowledged the seriousness of the threat. Surovikin sat in the frame with a machine gun in his hands and claimed that he had just arrived from the front line. At the same time, according to the general’s facial expressions, it can be assumed that he read his appeal through a teleprompter.
Another general, Vladimir Alekseev, First Deputy Chief of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, spoke on a video in the channel of Komsomolskaya Pravda military correspondent Alexander Kots. The room in which Alekseev was recorded is identical to the place where Surovikin spoke from.
Armored vehicles on the streets of Russian cities
Armored vehicles appeared on the streets of the largest city closest to the combat zone - Rostov-on-Don. Earlier, “military correspondents” in telegram channels reported that columns of “Wagnerites” with heavy armored vehicles were moving through two border crossings between the DPR and the Rostov region. On the streets of the center of Rostov-on-Don , a large number of vehicles of the National Guard and wheeled armored cars appeared in parallel . Local media reports that security officials in the city have introduced the "Fortress" plan, which implies a state of siege for police buildings and other law enforcement agencies.
They report about armored vehicles on the streets of Moscow. One armored personnel carrier and several military trucks were spotted in the area of Okhotny Ryad and Bolshaya Dmitrovka
State media reaction
In addition, the Russia-24 TV channel interrupted the night broadcast of the International Panorama program for the sake of a one and a half minute news report. In it, the presenter read out a press release from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation , in which Prigozhin's statement about a missile attack on the Wagner camps was called a provocation that did not correspond to reality.
Vladimir Putin's reaction
At midnight Moscow time, the President's address on the occasion of Youth Day appeared on the website. In it, he urged: "Believe in yourself, dream boldly, achieve your goals, and success will surely come."
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Surovikin addressed the fighters of PMC "Wagner"
PMC "Wagner" fighters must stop and not play into the hands of the enemy, who is waiting for an opportunity to benefit from internal conflicts. This was stated by Deputy Commander of the United Forces, Colonel-General Sergei Surovikin.
“I urge you to stop, the enemy is just waiting for the internal political situation to worsen in our country. You can’t play into the hands of the enemy in this difficult time for the country, ”Surovikin addressed the fighters, video message published in the telegram channel of war correspondent Andrey Rudenko.
On June 23, the founder of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin accused the Russian Defense Ministry of hitting a mercenary camp. According to him, in the near future the PMC command will decide "how to respond to this atrocity." The Ministry of Defense immediately denied all accusations, calling them a provocation. At the same time, the FSB has already opened a criminal case on the fact of calling for an armed rebellion.
The FSB urged PMC "Wagner" to detain Prigozhin
The FSB of Russia calls on the fighters of the Wagner PMC not to carry out the criminal orders of the founder of the armed formation, Yevgeny Prigozhin. The statement leads the Center for Public Relations of the department. The fighters of PMC "Wagner" were asked to detain Prigozhin.
“We call on the Wagner PMC fighters not to follow Prigozhin’s criminal orders and take measures to detain him,” RIA Novosti quotes the FSB CSO as saying. In connection with the threat of an escalation of the conflict in Russia, a criminal case was initiated against Prigozhin, the department specified.
On Channel One they considered a fake video with the consequences of a strike on PMC "Wagner"
The video with the consequences of the strike on the rear camps of PMC "Wagner" is staged. This was stated on the air of Channel One by TV presenter Ekaterina Andreeva.
The footage was shown on the air, which was distributed in telegram channels, allegedly proving the strike of the Russian Armed Forces on a military company. Andreeva called the video a production. “The first sign is the absence of other evidence,” the presenter said.
“Statements on behalf of Prigozhin were distributed in the format of voice audio messages. Telegram channel "Rybar" recorded the metadata of the audio files: they are all the same. From this it is known that they were all recorded at the same time and published in a delayed mode. The third sign of a fake is that no more than 15 minutes passed from the moment the video with the alleged consequences of the strikes was published until the first video with the statement appeared, ”Andreeva said.
The TV presenter thus came to the conclusion that with all modern technologies it is impossible to record messages in such a short time. As well as analyze the consequences and collect reports from the field.
On June 23, the founder of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin accused the Russian Defense Ministry of hitting a mercenary camp. According to him, in the near future the PMC command will decide "how to respond to this atrocity." The Ministry of Defense immediately denied all accusations, calling them a provocation. At the same time, the FSB has already opened a criminal case on the fact of calling for an armed rebellion.
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PMC "Wagner" fighters must stop and not play into the hands of the enemy, who is waiting for an opportunity to benefit from internal conflicts. This was stated by Deputy Commander of the United Forces, Colonel-General Sergei Surovikin.
“I urge you to stop, the enemy is just waiting for the internal political situation to worsen in our country. You can’t play into the hands of the enemy in this difficult time for the country, ”Surovikin addressed the fighters, video message published in the telegram channel of war correspondent Andrey Rudenko.
On June 23, the founder of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin accused the Russian Defense Ministry of hitting a mercenary camp. According to him, in the near future the PMC command will decide "how to respond to this atrocity." The Ministry of Defense immediately denied all accusations, calling them a provocation. At the same time, the FSB has already opened a criminal case on the fact of calling for an armed rebellion.
The FSB urged PMC "Wagner" to detain Prigozhin
The FSB of Russia calls on the fighters of the Wagner PMC not to carry out the criminal orders of the founder of the armed formation, Yevgeny Prigozhin. The statement leads the Center for Public Relations of the department. The fighters of PMC "Wagner" were asked to detain Prigozhin.
“We call on the Wagner PMC fighters not to follow Prigozhin’s criminal orders and take measures to detain him,” RIA Novosti quotes the FSB CSO as saying. In connection with the threat of an escalation of the conflict in Russia, a criminal case was initiated against Prigozhin, the department specified.
On Channel One they considered a fake video with the consequences of a strike on PMC "Wagner"
The video with the consequences of the strike on the rear camps of PMC "Wagner" is staged. This was stated on the air of Channel One by TV presenter Ekaterina Andreeva.
The footage was shown on the air, which was distributed in telegram channels, allegedly proving the strike of the Russian Armed Forces on a military company. Andreeva called the video a production. “The first sign is the absence of other evidence,” the presenter said.
“Statements on behalf of Prigozhin were distributed in the format of voice audio messages. Telegram channel "Rybar" recorded the metadata of the audio files: they are all the same. From this it is known that they were all recorded at the same time and published in a delayed mode. The third sign of a fake is that no more than 15 minutes passed from the moment the video with the alleged consequences of the strikes was published until the first video with the statement appeared, ”Andreeva said.
The TV presenter thus came to the conclusion that with all modern technologies it is impossible to record messages in such a short time. As well as analyze the consequences and collect reports from the field.
On June 23, the founder of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin accused the Russian Defense Ministry of hitting a mercenary camp. According to him, in the near future the PMC command will decide "how to respond to this atrocity." The Ministry of Defense immediately denied all accusations, calling them a provocation. At the same time, the FSB has already opened a criminal case on the fact of calling for an armed rebellion.
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FSB opened a criminal case against Prigozhin because of the call to rebellion
The Federal Security Service of Russia opened a criminal case on the fact of calling the head of the Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin to an armed rebellion, the National Anti-Terrorism Committee (NAC) reported.
The department emphasized that all the statements distributed on behalf of the founder of the group have no basis."
"In connection with this, the FSB has opened a criminal case on the fact of calling for an armed rebellion. We demand that illegal actions be stopped immediately," the committee said in a statement.
Earlier on Friday, the Ministry of Defense reported that all the information published on behalf of Yevgeny Prigozhin about "strike" on the rear camps of the Wagner group is not true. The ministry called these accusations an informational provocation.
They also noted that Russian troops continue to carry out combat missions on the line of contact with the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of the special operation.
According to the press secretary of the President of Russia Dmitry Peskov, Vladimir Putin is informed about all the events around Prigozhin, the necessary measures are being taken.
The discussions are lively.
I don’t know what to think. Whom to believe. Especially after Prigozhin’s tough appeals to various generals
What about Strelkov, what now Prigozhin - they all have something going on from some resentment that they were not allowed to enter Kiev on a
Who to believe
Isn't it time to impose a ban on the spread of all sorts of information stuffing, regardless of who they come from. Issues related to SVO should be decided behind closed doors. And then they put on a PR show! Chatterboxes are enough!
"Give us shells, we will fight with you!"
Isn't it time to imprison Prigozhin for discrimination? And then they put you in jail for an accidentally misunderstood comment, and then direct
Why hasn't Prigozhin been summoned to the Ministry of Defense until now to resolve the conflict?
Listen. A man with his units took Artyomovsk at the cost of heavy losses, and some people didn’t like that the merit belongs entirely to PMC Wagner. Further more. They just want to silence Prigozhin ...
Maybe, of course, the cissists are dropping fakes, but today you can’t trust anyone without checking the information on other sources and waiting for
Of course it's absurd! PMC Wagner camps are invulnerable!
It's strange, but for some reason I believe Prigogine more
What provocation? Did the Wagnerites shoot themselves with rockets?
Fatigue from the Gerasimovs, Shoigu and SUVs. Guys at the front are dying, and these...
I understand that everything is going according to plan and that only the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation should be believed, but ... I would still like to hear a refutation from Prigozhin himself.
What the fuck is going on?
Someone will stop Prigogine? Or will everyone see the Makhnovshchina like that?
Well, of course, they will refute, what else will they say - yes, it was us, because someone there looked at us the wrong way?
Well, do the farmers who mounted this fake seriously believe that someone will believe it? Well, if someone still believes, then this is a direct path to the psychiatric ward ...
which one? cips bot or real?
So you are only happy if Evgeny takes the post of Minister of Defense, waited
Information war.
Your panic is the target of the enemy!
I think it's all fog of war. To deceive the enemy. The enemy must believe in what is happening and throw all the remaining forces into the attack and his back will be broken. Then Prigozhin will receive the hero of Russia from the hands of Shoigu. Something like this
Did they start a civil war there? If this is all fake, then why doesn't Prigogine personally announce it?
I don't understand what's going on anymore.
I don't know myself anymore.
There is no video message from Prigozhin, and the audio can be easily faked, but Peskov said that information was conveyed to Putin, we hope he will figure it out. Pray!!!
A case was brought against him.
Didn't understand? How can he refute it when he spread it?...
and who is he anyway?
fake it
Now he is praying for Prigogine or something.
Maybe Prigozhin decided to hit the road to the west and now he's playing for high stakes??? He has something to merge with the enemies ...
Since 2014, we have been shelling ourselves, bombing and blowing up our facilities. Yeah. I am surprised by the people leading me to such provocations. Or are they instigators who sow doubt.
Could it be aliens? Green men?
And these are in command, aren’t they?..... Together as the supreme commander in chief?.....
It's time for Putin to personally lead the NVO, he is also the Supreme Commander
Well, what can you do? Such a system has been created over the past decades?
No, well, this is not the case, or all the common work is done to win or some kind of relationship to find out so nothing will come of it
Don't wait. Chel, really, starred to the moon! "Zychara, he is "thieves" in Africa too!
Well, what can you do? Such a system has been created over the past decades? ....
Prigozhin did not take and did not command. He is an administrative and financial officer, a manager with murky goals, who parasitizes on the heroism of the fighters.
Like a fight of bulldogs under the carpet, right? .....
Maybe decriedation?......
What meanness on the part of Prigogine. It's gotta get to this point
Nothing strange, he was not noticed in a lie.
To carry out this kind of showdown at a difficult time for the country is a betrayal. From a hero, Prigozhin can turn into an ordinary provocateur who will greatly help our enemies. I did not expect this from him, if all this is true of course.
Why is a rebuttal necessary, you think?....
Apparently the "arguments" are over)
Now I will cover you for a long time.
The Telegram channel spread it, posting the audio with Prigozhin's voice. But it sounds strange, how they blinded it from different things.
Did they shoot? Info about shelling only in strange audio.
Tell me who then took, besides the Wagners, whose units and under whose command? Haven't heard of anything other than them taking part.
What a powerful cisso organization, a dozen specialists, are capable of undermining the psyche of the population of a vast country. What's wrong with you Russians?
What is he dissatisfied with? The special operation, in fact, should be led by the General Staff, headed by Gerasimov. It smacks of banal betrayal on the part of Prigogine. Arrest immediately, and Wagner immediately disarm, out of harm's way. He rinsed all his brains with Artemovsk, "I'll leave - I won't leave," now he has carried on! crests in orgasm with joy!
It is better to wait with conclusions. It could be anything. No need to hurry.
How are you mobilizing?
I'm throwing diza from the bottom of my heart.
Misha calm down your tsipsoshny quirks will not work here.
Tsipsoshniks and tsipsoshnitsy ran up and write like a blueprint. You won't get anything! Let's not fall for your tricks!
I think I've already read about all this once - Ernst Röhm, SA, "the night of the long knives"...
The start of sweeps for the upcoming presidential elections ..
On behalf of Prigogine. Is this a mystery? Who actually spoke on behalf of Prigogine?
And he doesn't know what's going on.
Generally speaking, the General Staff should be in charge of the special operation. And the incompetent minister and the president directs.
in fact, Joseph Prigogine said it.
The Federal Security Service of Russia opened a criminal case on the fact of calling the head of the Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin to an armed rebellion, the National Anti-Terrorism Committee (NAC) reported.
The department emphasized that all the statements distributed on behalf of the founder of the group have no basis."
"In connection with this, the FSB has opened a criminal case on the fact of calling for an armed rebellion. We demand that illegal actions be stopped immediately," the committee said in a statement.
Earlier on Friday, the Ministry of Defense reported that all the information published on behalf of Yevgeny Prigozhin about "strike" on the rear camps of the Wagner group is not true. The ministry called these accusations an informational provocation.
They also noted that Russian troops continue to carry out combat missions on the line of contact with the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of the special operation.
According to the press secretary of the President of Russia Dmitry Peskov, Vladimir Putin is informed about all the events around Prigozhin, the necessary measures are being taken.
The discussions are lively.
I don’t know what to think. Whom to believe. Especially after Prigozhin’s tough appeals to various generals
What about Strelkov, what now Prigozhin - they all have something going on from some resentment that they were not allowed to enter Kiev on a
Who to believe
Isn't it time to impose a ban on the spread of all sorts of information stuffing, regardless of who they come from. Issues related to SVO should be decided behind closed doors. And then they put on a PR show! Chatterboxes are enough!
"Give us shells, we will fight with you!"
Isn't it time to imprison Prigozhin for discrimination? And then they put you in jail for an accidentally misunderstood comment, and then direct
Why hasn't Prigozhin been summoned to the Ministry of Defense until now to resolve the conflict?
Listen. A man with his units took Artyomovsk at the cost of heavy losses, and some people didn’t like that the merit belongs entirely to PMC Wagner. Further more. They just want to silence Prigozhin ...
Maybe, of course, the cissists are dropping fakes, but today you can’t trust anyone without checking the information on other sources and waiting for
Of course it's absurd! PMC Wagner camps are invulnerable!
It's strange, but for some reason I believe Prigogine more
What provocation? Did the Wagnerites shoot themselves with rockets?
Fatigue from the Gerasimovs, Shoigu and SUVs. Guys at the front are dying, and these...
I understand that everything is going according to plan and that only the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation should be believed, but ... I would still like to hear a refutation from Prigozhin himself.
What the fuck is going on?
Someone will stop Prigogine? Or will everyone see the Makhnovshchina like that?
Well, of course, they will refute, what else will they say - yes, it was us, because someone there looked at us the wrong way?
Well, do the farmers who mounted this fake seriously believe that someone will believe it? Well, if someone still believes, then this is a direct path to the psychiatric ward ...
which one? cips bot or real?
So you are only happy if Evgeny takes the post of Minister of Defense, waited
Information war.
Your panic is the target of the enemy!
I think it's all fog of war. To deceive the enemy. The enemy must believe in what is happening and throw all the remaining forces into the attack and his back will be broken. Then Prigozhin will receive the hero of Russia from the hands of Shoigu. Something like this
Did they start a civil war there? If this is all fake, then why doesn't Prigogine personally announce it?
I don't understand what's going on anymore.
I don't know myself anymore.
There is no video message from Prigozhin, and the audio can be easily faked, but Peskov said that information was conveyed to Putin, we hope he will figure it out. Pray!!!
A case was brought against him.
Didn't understand? How can he refute it when he spread it?...
and who is he anyway?
fake it
Now he is praying for Prigogine or something.
Maybe Prigozhin decided to hit the road to the west and now he's playing for high stakes??? He has something to merge with the enemies ...
Since 2014, we have been shelling ourselves, bombing and blowing up our facilities. Yeah. I am surprised by the people leading me to such provocations. Or are they instigators who sow doubt.
Could it be aliens? Green men?
And these are in command, aren’t they?..... Together as the supreme commander in chief?.....
It's time for Putin to personally lead the NVO, he is also the Supreme Commander
Well, what can you do? Such a system has been created over the past decades?
No, well, this is not the case, or all the common work is done to win or some kind of relationship to find out so nothing will come of it
Don't wait. Chel, really, starred to the moon! "Zychara, he is "thieves" in Africa too!
Well, what can you do? Such a system has been created over the past decades? ....
Prigozhin did not take and did not command. He is an administrative and financial officer, a manager with murky goals, who parasitizes on the heroism of the fighters.
Like a fight of bulldogs under the carpet, right? .....
Maybe decriedation?......
What meanness on the part of Prigogine. It's gotta get to this point
Nothing strange, he was not noticed in a lie.
To carry out this kind of showdown at a difficult time for the country is a betrayal. From a hero, Prigozhin can turn into an ordinary provocateur who will greatly help our enemies. I did not expect this from him, if all this is true of course.
Why is a rebuttal necessary, you think?....
Apparently the "arguments" are over)
Now I will cover you for a long time.
The Telegram channel spread it, posting the audio with Prigozhin's voice. But it sounds strange, how they blinded it from different things.
Did they shoot? Info about shelling only in strange audio.
Tell me who then took, besides the Wagners, whose units and under whose command? Haven't heard of anything other than them taking part.
What a powerful cisso organization, a dozen specialists, are capable of undermining the psyche of the population of a vast country. What's wrong with you Russians?
What is he dissatisfied with? The special operation, in fact, should be led by the General Staff, headed by Gerasimov. It smacks of banal betrayal on the part of Prigogine. Arrest immediately, and Wagner immediately disarm, out of harm's way. He rinsed all his brains with Artemovsk, "I'll leave - I won't leave," now he has carried on! crests in orgasm with joy!
It is better to wait with conclusions. It could be anything. No need to hurry.
How are you mobilizing?
I'm throwing diza from the bottom of my heart.
Misha calm down your tsipsoshny quirks will not work here.
Tsipsoshniks and tsipsoshnitsy ran up and write like a blueprint. You won't get anything! Let's not fall for your tricks!
I think I've already read about all this once - Ernst Röhm, SA, "the night of the long knives"...
The start of sweeps for the upcoming presidential elections ..
On behalf of Prigogine. Is this a mystery? Who actually spoke on behalf of Prigogine?
And he doesn't know what's going on.
Generally speaking, the General Staff should be in charge of the special operation. And the incompetent minister and the president directs.
in fact, Joseph Prigogine said it.