i only read a little bit of that thread, but the argument seems to go both ways. so, does it have trace amounts of the carcinogens or not?? with all the negative hype around these products i may stay clear. i hear people say things like "if you need to use them, you can't grow good herbs". well, i want to learn how to grow, but with an added boost. especially since this is my 1st crop. but it seems like its time for the flush anyways, so i do not have time to introduce anything new at this time. so, looks like until i dig a little deeper, i will hold off. save some loot, actually just but the money towards new genes. so, thanks for all the input, but im going to pass on these for now.