VV is singing the blues. From seed to Perpetual Weed.

VictorVIcious

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SnowWhite said:
yep, great stuff VV....I'll enjoy following along. :blsmoke:

I'm v jealous of your tri-meter btw. Bluelab stuff is the shit! Money well spent dude. I purchased a cheap tri-meter from china off eBay. Shouldn't of bothered. It's total shite man! Never seen such wackey readings. I will invest in some blue lab meters when/if I ever go hydro. I'll probably go for the Bluelab EC and PH truncheons though instead of the tri meter.

Did I mention.....excellent grow!!! :mrgreen:

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Thanx for the kind words, your room ain't doing too bad either. What you are saying about the BlueLab Meters is what I intended to do. I had purchased the EC meter a little over a year ago and was just going to buy the Ph Truncheon. And I would say that as far as convenience and ease of use, the individual Truncheons have it all over the tri-meter. I am going to have to find a way to make this tri-meter more convenient to use. The way my set up is now it involves too much bending over for this old man. I have a couple of ideas, I could attach the probes to a long stick and stick them in the nute solution without bending over, or mount something in the tanks to hold the probes in place so I just place them and stay standing up. One of the link I got about Float switches sells a bendable piece for mounting two float switches I may have to investigate that. I will post it if I come up with a good solution, maybe someone has one posted and I never had a reason to pay attention to it before.
The difference in Quality of the two, tri or seperate is that the tri-meter will accept any probe, this is according to Scott. Scott runs a Nutrient Production Company that makes nutes for Hydroponics. I tend ti listen to folks like that. I use the EC truncheon ocassionally just to check the tri-meter reading, they have always agreed, the trimeter is accurate to four digits and the truncheon basically two, you can tell its between 1.8 and 2.0 and if you can count the flashes from the light, you can tell which one its closest too, not that is 1330PPM. Great information, try adjusting the ppm of a thirty gallon res by 70ppm. It may make a difference if I had a Spectrometer, for our purpose, makes you sound intelligent but it won't win the ballgame.
The cleaning solution that comes with the Calibration kit is right for cleaning the EC truncheon too, and includes another probe cleaning tool. The container they have for the Ph calibration solutions are way bigger than they need to be, the ph probe is not 1 1/2" around. Test tubes about 1/2" around work much better with less waste. Earl built a small rack to hold his that is simple and effective. He had a couple extras of those viels which I am using now. Hope you find the information useful. VV:blsmoke:
 
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VictorVIcious said:
Welcome William, and props for your calm respones, we know it is an education process. I really like that 'harshing my mellow', I may have to use that one.
Some one asked what males are good for. They are good for practice and demo's. Since we don't care about the results we can get comfortable with the cloning process and increase our chances of success when it counts, kinda like batting practice, I understand the pro's still do that, work on keeping the basics sharp. So here goes, pruning and cloning practice, get it right in practice and you will get it right in life.
Here are the details of this plant, its 18" tall. The pencil is 6" to the eraser, I love it when a plan comes together. 1/3 of 18...uhh ok. We remove the fan leaves from the bottom 1/3 and then the branches. I place them in water with a small amount of Dark Energy, mostly humic acids and a little Super Thrive. We removed 10 viable branches from this plant. Here are the supplies I use for clones, this time around. The bottle on the right with the funny shape is a gel I use, may not be necessary. The Rapid Rooters are my preferred medium for this step, they are an all natural product, and a packet of Clonex, enough to do the 50 plugs come in this particular package. Costs a little more to purchase this way, and I don't like have a new tray every time, not very enviromentally friendly, especially from some one selling Natural Products, its $22.95 or a little less than $.50/ plant. I will split the tray of fifty, I don't feel comfortable working with them that close together. And I havent decided about the propagation dome yet, Al says they are not necessary.
The alcohol goes on these four things, your one edge razor blade, your wooden or plastic cutting block, your cloning gel container and your hands. This is why you want to be 'ready to clone, everything in place and remove it from the area when its no longer necessary. If you sanitize your hands and handle a buch of stuff... Let these items air dry. For practice I will use these Rockwool cubes. I did not overwater them. For instruction on cloning using rockwool check Al B Fuct's cloning tutorial. Here its just practice.
Ok batter up, here is a branch, and we cut the leaves off flush with the stem, make our angle cut below that and place it in our cloning gel, at least an inch deep. Put it in our plug, don't jam it to the bottom. We want to make sure our cubes are making contact with the stem. Mist them and place them in your clone..whatever.
Please any of the experienced growers that se anything I should do different. let me know I still have at least three plants to practice with. VV:blsmoke:
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VV i just made my own clones about 5 days ago pretty much the same way i used clonex aswell and added a little bit of organic micronutes to the pelites they are in and am still misting them twice a day but so far i have seen no root development and leafs are starting to turn yellow and die (bottomleafs) but tops are still green, should i have not have seen roots yet or maybe give them a few more weeks.
 
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Also do you know how many plants you can fit under ur 4ft 8bulber?? what ever it is i would be half i think because i have the 4bulber, and any idea how good the penetration of the light is, as in how far are all those lumen's getting down the plant before decreasing by a large amount ?thank you

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I am trippin'. Went thru the blues today and the four males I identified and praticed on yesterday is all the males they is. 19 females out of 23, must be something wrong, I will be watching them closely, and cloning. Got them all labeled and ready so I can keep track of which plant the clones came from and I think I may have figured how I can fit a table in for the mothers, now i just have to build it. I have done that before so I'm not real worried about it. May even cheat and buy a table, well see. The current stats are (2) blueberry, 8 NorthenBerry and (9) Skunkberry, all but that one BlueBerry are doing fine, and that one is improving in color slowly. Well, gotta go do those taxes, they are 'harshing my mellow'. VV
 
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yeah cheers VV, very helpful. Thanks man. You confirmed what I had been thinking about the truncheons. Not as precise as the tri-meter, but still accurate, very durable and easy to use. Handy to stir your res/bucket up with too and no calibration required! They are def for me!

I should of just spent the extra money and invested in bluelab to begin with! :roll: As with most things in life, you tend to get what you pay for.
 
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MstrWilliam said:
In the (missing) spirit of the IRS, I wonder if royalties should be claimed!:mrgreen:
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There was a thread started not long ago, guy was looking for ideas for billboards, I think you could build one around that, and I did put notations around it. I have hosted foreign exchange students and they always share a common cliche'. The one I liked the best was made by Felix, one of our students brothers in Germany, I know very little past 'nine,nine, nicht' so I ask what it meant. He said you know 'too stupid to shit', lmfao. And my personal favorite, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him THINK. And you would only claim the royalties if I paid them and that would harsh my mellow. VV:mrgreen:
 
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HazyEyes said:
VV i just made my own clones about 5 days ago pretty much the same way i used clonex aswell and added a little bit of organic micronutes to the pelites they are in and am still misting them twice a day but so far i have seen no root development and leafs are starting to turn yellow and die (bottomleafs) but tops are still green, should i have not have seen roots yet or maybe give them a few more weeks.
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lol never mind they are all rooted now damn am happy it worked VV u want some Medi bud clones??
 
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:hump: I DITCH CLASS FOR A COUPLE DAYS, FOR A BDAY AND A WEDDING, AND NOW THERE'S A NEW KID AT "MY" DESK, AND HAZYEYES DIDN'T RAISE HIS HAND ON THAT LAST ONE. NO WHEELCHAIR RAMPS, AND NOW WERE SPEAKING GERMAN.....WTF.:twisted: "BOY DID I PICK THE WRONG WEEK TO SKIP"
ON THE CLONE POST U WERE ASKING FOR MORE COMMS. FROM AN EXPERIENCED GROWER., YA! LIKE LUKE, TELLING YODA HOW TO ROLL A BLUNT. LOL:mrgreen: AGAIN VERY NICE JOURNALING" VV:blsmoke:. I HAVE TO READ IT OVER AND MAYBE THEN A QUESTION...QUITELY "STANDING" IN BACK!!!
DB.:eyesmoke: DAMM FINE #'S ON THE BABIES, NEW TABLE TIME???
 
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B. THC R+D said:
:hump: I DITCH CLASS FOR A COUPLE DAYS, FOR A BDAY AND A WEDDING, AND NOW THERE'S A NEW KID AT "MY" DESK, AND HAZYEYES DIDN'T RAISE HIS HAND ON THAT LAST ONE. NO WHEELCHAIR RAMPS, AND NOW WERE SPEAKING GERMAN.....WTF.:twisted: "BOY DID I PICK THE WRONG WEEK TO SKIP"
ON THE CLONE POST U WERE ASKING FOR MORE COMMS. FROM AN EXPERIENCED GROWER., YA! LIKE LUKE, TELLING YODA HOW TO ROLL A BLUNT. LOL:mrgreen: AGAIN VERY NICE JOURNALING" VV:blsmoke:. I HAVE TO READ IT OVER AND MAYBE THEN A QUESTION...QUITELY "STANDING" IN BACK!!!
DB.:eyesmoke: DAMM FINE #'S ON THE BABIES, NEW TABLE TIME???
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Just kick the other guys crutches out of the way, you can make it.lol VV:blsmoke:
 

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... what are the good for, besides cutting practice?? If you are doing any kind of experiments with different mediums, you will want to see how well its working as soon as possible add that is another use for the males, don't just cut their ...heads off take the feet too.
This is the height this male got to in a little less than 7 weeks, guess which one of these is male?
We pull out the center stem and the roots, this is what we get, fine little hair like roots. Pull a couple out of the pots and take a look. These are peet pellets for the seeds, potting soil mix for the interim transplant and the coco-coir with an inch or so of sand on the top. All of it can be put in your composter or spread as mulch. I am going to save it and experiment with re-using the medium. My concern is gettin too much sand in the coco. I may just get a some of those bag filters that go around the pump.
The practice clones are questionable at best, they don't usually spend that much time in water and I did not wait for the water temp to adjust, and as I already stated I didn't do the proper wetting for rockwool, it was just practice. I trimmed of the lowest set of leaves and will trim the next set of if I see 'new green'.
 

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When You Clone The Girls Are They Going To Be That Large... Or Are You Just Exp-ing Around.
On The Last Cloning Post, Misting- Really Nec. I Never Have ???
The Sand Again Is For The Nats Your Having. Correct. Db.:)
 
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B. THC R+D said:
When You Clone The Girls Are They Going To Be That Large... Or Are You Just Exp-ing Around.
On The Last Cloning Post, Misting- Really Nec. I Never Have ???
The Sand Again Is For The Nats Your Having. Correct. Db.:)
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Experimenting. I have always had to mist them?? Yes the sand is an experiment for controlling gnats. VV:blsmoke:
 
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So, yesterday I got the taxes done, my mellow is right, and we are getting the boys out of here. Here is a shot showing how the addition of the sand affected the roots, you can see it grew another set of roots right at the break between the sand and the coco, I was hoping for that. Like an extra anchor. Here is what a root is really like, I am sure if I could have unwound it without breaking it, it would have been several feet long, and you can see it goes from the center out to the edge of the pot. If you break thru the roots in one spot you get an idea that the outside is all root. Thats because it is. Our 'cut away view' shows the mediums we used and makes it look like all of the roots go straight across, nothing in the middle. If we wash the medium from around the main root we see this isn't true, the roots are all thru the pot. What we don't have is a big tap root filling the pot, they are all small. Its a power watering system for your plants. And the short main root is a product of our early training.
We started them in a small cube, and let them grow til they filled that small container, tranferred them to a little bigger container and let them fill that one, and then to the final one gallon pot size. At first we gave them very little water, only when they were dry. When we had the plants developing like we wanted them too, a good root system developed, then we started giving them all the water they could use with all the nutes they could use and as much light as we could give them with the equipment I have. I wonder how that has worked. Turn the page......VV:blsmoke:
 

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HazyEyes said:
a THC NO ONE LIKES A SNITCH :mrgreen::mrgreen:, MEET YOU AROUND THE TRI-METER, AT 4:20 DONT BE LATE OR ELSE.:twisted::twisted:
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WORRIED LOOKING FOR THE 'LITTLE BUS", TRAPPED, DIRTBAG ROLLS A PHATTY OF APJ. MIND ERASER AND WAITS NEXT TO TRI METER.:mrgreen: AFTER SMOKING WITH HAZYEYES, PROCLAIMS, THIS IS NOT THE CRIPLET YOUR LOOKING FOR....ITS THAT GUY ON THE CRUTCHES... BUT NOT TO WORRY...

:mrgreen::mrgreen: SOILENT GREEN IS PEOPLE :mrgreen::mrgreen: "THUMP" HEY VV:blsmoke: MORE COMPOST...LOL DB.:twisted::eyesmoke:
 
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Hey VictorVIcious,

Thanks for your kind comments in my grow journal. I'm learning a lot from reading through yours. I can't wait to see how your latest go of things turns out!
 
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GrowBigOrGrowHome said:
Hey VictorVIcious,

Thanks for your kind comments in my grow journal. I'm learning a lot from reading through yours. I can't wait to see how your latest go of things turns out!
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Your welcome, and thanks for stopping by. I made an upfook here somewhere, you know old people and computers. Shit now I have to remember what I said. Maybe I should just post the pics and let that be it. If you have any questions I'll try to answer ??
 

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