Vote yes prop 19

vertise

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Vote yes, i hate these people that think CCHH has a chance. No one will let you grow 99 plants and posses 12 pounds of marijuana. Come on and read 19 and read other things about medical laws not just having to do with pot. Maybe you will learn that it is illegal to limit medication when recommmended by a doctor. Taxes will be so minimal for each individual because collecting a little from alot will get you alot more then collecting a lot from a little.
 

vertise

Well-Known Member
I hate how with in the pot community there are people against moving marijuana foward. Stop living in a dream world of lolipops and gumdrops. Most of the voters that want it thank fully are recreational users and even non users who see that arresting a marijuana user is just a waste of resources. Those medicinal patients who are smart enough to realize that prop 215 is not affected at all by 19 will vote yes thankfully. Also pot will never ever be 100 percent do whatever you want type of thing. Cigs and booz are regulated why would pot not be.
 

vertise

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Also big corps will not grow as long as it is illegal federally because they run the risk of being dismantled by the federal government. And for those who do not believe that, the simple way to show that small growers and sellers will prosper greatly is.... If a dealer/seller/whoever said I got some amazing high grade for 25 dollars a gram (and it was amazing), or you can get this commercial everybody has it bud for 25 dollars for 2 grams, what would you choose.
 

vertise

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-..._b_735846.html

Prop 19 Would Help -- Not Hurt -- Medical [URL="https://www.rollitup.org/"]marijuana Patients[/URL]

Are they misinformed or deliberately lying? I don't know anymore.
A group of medical marijuana dispensaries organized as the California Cannabis Association has come out against Prop 19, California's "Tax and Regulate Cannabis" initiative to legalize marijuana.
The coalition claims that Prop 19's provisions giving local jurisdictions the power to regulate cannabis sales, including the right to choose whether to allow commercial or other outlets, would enable them to prohibit the sale of medical marijuana to patients, something that under California they currently can't do. In the words of Cascade Wellness Center head Amir Daliri, quoted in the Associated Press, "The people who would be most affected are the sick, the elderly - patients who cannot grow their own and cannot travel to pick up a prescription."

The claim is completely false. As attorney J. David Nick explained in a widely disseminated legal analysis exhorting people to get on board and support the initiative, section 2B of the Prop 19 text explicitly guards against that:
Section 2B presents the controlling and relevant purposes for understanding what Prop. 19 can and cannot do. This section EXPRESSLY excludes the reach of Prop. 19 from the CUA and MMP. Sections 2B (7 & :cool: specifically state that the purpose of this initiative is to give municipalities total and complete control over the commercial sales of marijuana "EXCEPT as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9."​
Even without that protection, Nick further explains, it would be virtually impossible for the courts to interpret Prop 19 as allowing cities or counties to gut the state medical marijuana law, because of the rules of statutory construction:
Although extrinsic materials (such as legislative committee memos or voter pamphlet arguments) may not be resorted to when the legislative language is clear, courts may never ignore the purpose of the legislation. Every interpretation a court gives a statute must be consistent with the purpose of the legislation. This is why statutes have long "preambles" which explicitly state the purposes of the legislation.​
Unfortunately, the press has largely given the group a pass. In the press mentions I could find of the story, LA Weekly, Capital Public Radio, KTVU and the aforementioned AP piece, campaign spokeswoman Dale Sky Jones is quoted making the opposite claim, that the initiative actually would clarify and improve protections for medical marijuana patients. But that important information appears toward the end of the articles, and the casual reader is left with the impression simply that different activists are saying different things, not necessarily knowing what to believe. I think the media professionals covering this should have taken the extra few moments needed to glance at the initiative text, or better yet spoken with a qualified attorney or legal analyst about it. They then could have verified that the campaign quotes were right and the opposition's wrong, and reflected that in their reporting.
Fortunately, only some medical marijuana people are so shortsighted as to oppose this historic and important measure. Harborside Health Center in Oakland, and the Berkeley Patients Group are among the top quality groups lending their support to Prop 19. But it's still worth asking, why are some other medical marijuana providers opposing it?
Famed Canadian Marc Emery, from his US prison cell offered the obvious explanation: money. I've been charitable about this in saying that there's a little more to it than that. The medical marijuana providers have by and large created a good and wholesome environment, bringing dollars in for sure, but providing high-quality, compassionate services for their clientele. They've risked a lot to do it -- Daliri's center is among those to suffer raids on their operations -- and they don't want to see the world they've brought into being fall into nothingness in the face of the hugely increased competition that legalization of marijuana for anyone will surely bring. I happen to think that legalization will bring more opportunities for everyone in the industry, including the current medical marijuana providers, but I could be wrong. Maybe they will be put out of business.
But that's not a reason to allow the continued mass law enforcement campaigns against marijuana users and sellers to continue -- more than 61,000 people were arrested for marijuana possession in California in 2009 alone. And these people were smart enough to start and maintain successful businesses, therefore they're smart enough to accurately understand the Prop 19 legislation, if they want to, so I say enough is enough. Whether they are doing it deliberately, or out of deliberate ignorance, they should stop spreading misinformation about Prop 19. Shame on the California Cannabis Association. And YES on PROP 19!
 

The Ruiner

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God I need to finish my response to that POS letter.... that thing irritates the bejesus outta me. Cleverly written, but ultimately full of suck and bs. He is constantly covering his ass in that letter, so if 19 passes people cant hate him for it later. Classic lawyer bs.
 

Prop19fan

Member
Poll: California voters leaning toward legalizing marijuana

Peter Hecht - The Sacramento Bee

Published: 09/26/10

SACRAMENTO _ California voters are leaning toward making the Golden State the first state in the nation to legalize marijuana for recreational use.In a new Field Poll of likely voters in the Nov. 2 election, the state's Proposition 19 marijuana initiative leads by a 49 percent to 42 percent margin.
The measure holds heavy majorities among voters who are younger than 40 and those who live in the San Francisco Bay Area and in Los Angeles.
The measure, largely favored by Democrats, trails decidedly among Republicans and is losing by a nearly 2-1 margin in the Central Valley.
The Sept. 14-21 Field Poll of 599 likely voters has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.1 percentage points.
However, the new poll shows an increase in support for Proposition 19 since a Field Poll in July had the measure losing, 48 percent to 44 percent.




Read more: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/09/26/1356528/poll-california-voters-leaning.html#ixzz10fipMs3x
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
i hope it passes so i can dump all this outdoor i have, at top dollar prices. there will be a mad rush of "new smokers" wanting some top shelf. the market will be demanding so i will be able to keep my prices high for at least the first year. by then i will be re-established.


i'm voting NO.


bongsmilie
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
i hope it passes so i can dump all this outdoor i have, at top dollar prices. there will be a mad rush of "new smokers" wanting some top shelf. the market will be demanding so i will be able to keep my prices high for at least the first year. by then i will be re-established.
i'm voting NO.
bongsmilie
Now this guy is a realist. No argument here. :)

Sometimes you can fight the current. Sometimes you have to let it sweep you away. Be the sapling that bends in the wind, instead of the old oak tree that breaks. OHM
 

elduece

Active Member
I'll parrot what Ed had written:

"The model for what marijuana legalization should look like is already out there. It's tomatoes. More tomatoes are grown in America by home gardeners that are produced commercially. Yet there is a robust commercial market for tomatoes and tomato products of all types: canned, vine-ripened, organic, sauces, soups, ketchup, etc. At the same time, small-scale specialty cultivators do well sell their produce and farmers' markets, and home gardeners with extra tomatoes share the bounty with neighbors as gifts, in trade, or through informal sales. Marijuana could be handled in the same way. Commercial growers can thrive side by side with home and specialty cultivators".
 

vertise

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I have decided to eliminate myself from the debate. However, marijuana is not the same as tomatoes, potatoes, corn or anything. It is something that is illegal in todays day and age. Yes it is ashame but what can one do. It is a major step foward. I have quoted my sources in alot of threads and i have shown my point of view. I however do not think that prop 19 will harm the current marijuana market. Anyone that thinks that something that has been illegal for 75 years should be legal 100000 percent legal is uneducated. Never ever in human history has this been the case. Everyone has to give up rights for the overall good. I will not make money via prop 19 however i will benefit from the idea that my friends will not end up in jail and have their lives ruined for something like pot. It is simple but needed. Vote yes.
 
I can not think of any good reason why any lover of the cannabis plant could vote against legalization. This bill is the gateway we must pass through. It will be amended, it will be changed just like prop 215. Aspects will be challenged and will be ruled on by the supreme court of CA. This isn't the end all be all, it's not written in stone that the wording in prop 19 will be the permanent law of the land.

I can see the major problems with the prop, that many will have their way of life challenged by the unknown effects on cannabis prices in the future. Many that love to get high will grow their own and buy less from others, but you know every asshole is going to be here on vacation. We still have our medical cards, we can still grow as much as we are now.

It's a moral question. People are in prison, mostly men from minority communities, people who's families need them to be at home all because of weed. Thats why I'm voting yes, because I can't justify keeping it illegal simply because 19 isn't perfect.
 

vertise

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it is all about money. If your someone that makes cash off of medicinal mj then its bad, if you benefit from it then you are set.
 

medicineman

New Member
if this law dont pass there will probably never be another chance in USA's future for the legalization and taxation of marijuana. if it does not pass im moving out of the country to Jamaica or Amsterdam.


if americans dont want weed legal then im not welcome, and neither are you.
I'm pretty sure in Jamaica, it is a serious felony, Amsterdam is another story.
 

TokinPodPilot

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I can not think of any good reason why any lover of the cannabis plant could vote against legalization. This bill is the gateway we must pass through. It will be amended, it will be changed just like prop 215. Aspects will be challenged and will be ruled on by the supreme court of CA. This isn't the end all be all, it's not written in stone that the wording in prop 19 will be the permanent law of the land.

I can see the major problems with the prop, that many will have their way of life challenged by the unknown effects on cannabis prices in the future. Many that love to get high will grow their own and buy less from others, but you know every asshole is going to be here on vacation. We still have our medical cards, we can still grow as much as we are now.

It's a moral question. People are in prison, mostly men from minority communities, people who's families need them to be at home all because of weed. Thats why I'm voting yes, because I can't justify keeping it illegal simply because 19 isn't perfect.
Way to information fail. Prop. 215 has never been altered since it was submitted for voter approval.

It's a moral question for those who don't have a solid reasonable argument. Especially the "people are in jail" argument. Prop. 19 doesn't do anything to free ANY of them. It's immoral to willingly exclude 18-20 year old because you can't be arsed to get a prescription or stand up for your rights to grow for the purpose of personal consumption. It's immoral to set up a legitimized system of selling cannabis for recreational use when the same thousands of people currently in jail that you talk about will continue to sit and waste away for doing exactly what the supporters of Prop. 19 are looking to do themselves. It's too bad your "morality" isn't tempered with some reason.
 

TokinPodPilot

Well-Known Member
it is all about money. If your someone that makes cash off of medicinal mj then its bad, if you benefit from it then you are set.
I thought you were leaving.

Again, if, as the proponents assert, there's no impact on medicinal cannabis then your argument is moot. But you are right in that anyone who looks to personally benefits from Prop. 19 is for it. I'm not sure why you seem to think that works in your favor.
 
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