Veterans...Get the hell in here now!

BarnBuster said:

uh-oh, no fourth star here,

"WASHINGTON — The head of U.S. Forces Pacific is preparing to sack the head of the three-star U.S. 7th Fleet after a string of mishaps among the Japan-based ships that have rocked the Navy to its core.

Adm. Scott Swift is traveling to Japan and plans to remove Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin for a loss of confidence in his leadership there, two U.S. officials confirmed."

http://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2017/08/23/us-pacific-fleet-boss-sacks-three-star-fleet-commander-after-a-rash-of-incidents/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB 08.23.2017&utm_term=Editorial - Military - Early Bird Brief

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Singlemalt said:

How far up the chain do they go; i.e is Adm. Swift vulnerable?

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GreatwhiteNorth said:

Depends on the results of the investigation.
There's always a second career working for the General.

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Singlemalt said:

How far up the chain do they go; i.e is Adm. Swift vulnerable?

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GreatwhiteNorth said:

Ultimate responsibility, that's what comes with the top job.
About time it was exercised!

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dstroy said:

Yeah, tons of people are going to get fired and maybe go to jail (for negligence), depends on the outcome of the investigation.
They've been reducing manning on destroyers and cruisers for a while. When I got to my first boat which was a destroyer the crew was about 360 which is maximum, and then they (big navy) kept reducing manning more and more to try and save money, down to 270. So everyone was doing more work and getting less sleep. I know that a normal work week for me was about 70 hours on average (a lot of times more than 100). On top of that you have watch, which I don't count towards "work", and that's a guaranteed every day thing which is not at the same time and there is no promise that you will get to sleep after it's over.
Sleep takes a backseat, and people get complacent because they're tired and think someone else is watching. Usually this happens (in my experience) because the command triad is really disconnected from the pulse of the crew and pushes them way too hard, or they don't care about the crew and only care about their fitreps.


You would hope so, apparently not. I don't know all the variables though.

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TacoMac said:

I don't know what happened to the U.S. Navy, but it has flat gone down the tubes lately. You have the captain of a 3 billion dollar air craft carrier Youtubing on the job, sailors raping citizens on leave, ships running into each other...

It's deplorable. It has been for some time now. Heads should have been rolling long before we got to this point.

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dstroy said:

What branch did you serve in?

Who is "youtubing"? I really haven't heard anything about this... or maybe I have and forgot? Can you share a link please?

You can train sailors all you want about sexual assault, sadly some will do it anyway. If you think that the Navy doesn't take it seriously or doesn't hold enough training on the subject you are flat out wrong. I was up until May of this year a federally certified sexual assault victim advocate and performed training all the time for sailors, we receive new anti-sexual assault/harassment media on a quarterly basis. The training is constantly updated to remain engaging. Training is 100% mandatory, you are not allowed to miss it.

The ships running into each other thing, or running aground, I've read the reports and know who is in the wrong for that happening and it's sad that their command fostered a culture that even allowed the accidents to happen.

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Singlemalt said:

He may be referring to Capt. Owen Honors, one time Capt of the Enterprise (LOL not Kirk or Picard)

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dstroy said:

That was in 2011 right?

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GreatwhiteNorth said:

WTF - these ships are literally the highest tech on the water & those dumb asses are crashing into other merchant ships.
Training must be slipping as that shit is simply unacceptable.

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whitebb2727 said:

They did that shit in the AF. Combined jobs and cut man power. We were 40% manned in my field and 18-20 hour days were common and we saw 72 hour shifts when enduring freedom kicked off.

Use you and abuse you.

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haight said:

One guy driving an Abrams fell asleep and the tank went off a bridge and all four guys drowned during the road to Bagdad. Four hours sleep might be okay in basic but not in combat. Sleep is a weapon too.

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whitebb2727 said:

I got a good childhood friend that his dad was special forces.

He would tell me about going without sleep so long that he would tie a string from his belt to his gun so he wouldn't walk off and leave it.

I was a structural mechanic and sheet metal guy. Those type repairs have to be spot on or planes could crash.

It is very dangerous to go without sleep.

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GreatwhiteNorth said:

Dad was USAF E-8 that was a B-52 structural mechanic & just all around fix/make anything guy. Welded/machined/fabbed like a wizard even with that archaic equipment that was probably 100 y/o.

Actually picked up a couple of awards from 6 months in "Rocket Alley" Vietnam - seem he and another guy fabbed up several makeshift helo transport skid in like 80 hours or so after being tasked. A pretty neat & talented guy.
Oh, and he was a Korean vet as well.

Had a couple of hair raising stories of conducting post crash assessments/recovery on several aircraft in hostile territory.

Still my Hero & best friend

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whitebb2727 said:

Cool. I like to hear stories like that. Your dad is a hero.

Yea. The told use we would be a jack of all trades. There wasn't a system one that structures didn't work on.

Emergency aircraft battle damage repair school is interesting. Its about getting the job done in unique ways.

So he was stationed at Minot? Why not Minot? Lol.

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