vertical growing

That 5hit

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OK, great thread btw I just have a few questions if somebody doesn't mind answering:bigjoint:

I've been growing for 6-7 months horizontally with a 1k hps in soil. I grow Trainwreck and OG kush and I cannot get over 3/4 pounds per harvest for the life of me, If I grow 6 ft or 2ft plants I get the same yield. I get a nice cola, then a bunch of popcorn, keeping a minimum of 50 watts per sq ft:wall:

So I guess my question is, will my overall weight and density improve? From my understanding with the bulb laying on the side, next to the ladies. Every branch becomes equal to the same density as the main branch??

I'm thinking 4 plants vegged to at least 2ft, 7 gall pots coco, Bushmaster and the complete Botanicare line with Gravity at the end. Would .5 grams per watt seem achievable?

I love my girls so I will turn them 1/4 a day, everyday.

Thanks for helping a newb out:leaf:
Thanks man

For now yes, I hope to have another 1k or a co2 tank and regulator within a month. I have thought about a sog but I'm only working with a 4x9 closet :wall: . It would be hard to take care of them If I were to build shelves.

I was told turning them would cure my popcorn problem, with enough pruning and using bushmaster the first couple waterings?
do not turn the plants when growning vert or hor
the plant will be putting to much energy into unbending itself and start neglecting the bud, scrog it, if you must do anything, tie themm away from the light, but whaterver you do is, dont turn them
 

katman94

Active Member
do not turn the plants when growning vert or hor
the plant will be putting to much energy into unbending itself and start neglecting the bud, scrog it, if you must do anything, tie themm away from the light, but whaterver you do is, dont turn them
Ok, I assume the branches would lean towards the light on themselves anyway right? I'm scared to scrog, I once tried outside while they started showing flowers and the stress slowly killed them all.

Do you think I should make somewhat of a tent with panda film around the plants for max reflection?
 

OregonMeds

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Rotary grows show movement is a good thing actually, but the reason not to do it with other styles is because you trade a few really big buds for fatter small ones and more fatter small ones just never seem to beat the weight of a few big ones. It's a loosing game.

You'd need to do more than just add plastic, you should maybe just do a SOG.
 

That 5hit

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as you can see he did not rotate
and trust its beter that way
but if you are going to vert you really want to think about putting you a screen like he did
 
Hey guys, I justfinished my first vertical grow and am quite happy with the results. I did better than ever before in the way of
yild per lighting used. I was using 2 400 Watt HPS lights with 16 grodan slabs around these. Got 710 grams with AK 47
in about 7 weeks total time, which is about 40% better than I ever got before with these very same HPS lights. It could also be that
I am just still learning and improving my techniques and not only because it is a vertical system, but I did have
an acidity and nutrient uptake issues for the first couple weeks of this grow. That is to say, I'll be expecting to do much
better next time. And to agree with cerberus: space economy is the main advantage of this set up.

Didn't get to take any pics of the grow unfortunately, as it was a someone else's place. Will try to post some
for the next one.

Anyone here tired Ecosystem? Would be interesting to hear feedback on it.
Cheers!
 

jigfresh

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Anyone here tired Ecosystem? Would be interesting to hear feedback on it.
Cheers!
There is a guy or two on Vertical Green . com that run the ecosystem. The guy I watched did quite well. Think he got 1.5 pounds the first run with 2 - 600's in there.

Looks like a nice little deal if you have the room and cash. After you put the clones in, it pretty much does the rest.

Oh... I guess you also have to have the balls (or caretakers license) to grow 80 plants at once.
 

RickWhite

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i have to say,this is the best thing i have seen on this site:bigjoint:+rep
What are the numbers on this grow? How many watts and how long was that plant vegged - plus how many were grown?

It looks like a 6' tall plant with a lot of time and effort spent training it over the whole life of the plant.
 

jigfresh

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What are the numbers on this grow? How many watts and how long was that plant vegged - plus how many were grown?

It looks like a 6' tall plant with a lot of time and effort spent training it over the whole life of the plant.
2 plants on the grow. 1 Casey Jones (pictured) 1 Sour Grape. They were vegged 8 weeks under 400w MH. They were treated horribly during veg... (didn't check ph... let both catch PM... let the grow space go to shit) otherwise I think it would have taken 6 weeks to acheive the same size.

Flowered under 400w HPS + 250w MH.

Sour Grape gave me 122 grams. Casey Jones 278 grams. Still working on the hash from the trim.

They were both around 3.5 feet tall. Never topped. Trained vigorously during veg. Trimmed a TON.

So... upsides of the grow/ style: It was fun and looked really cool.

Downsides: Too long veg time, very labor intensive, way too much trimmig involed (i think there was as much plant cut off as left growing), the only thing left in the 'middle' of the plant was tiny popcorn buds, meaning tons of trimming.

What I would do (and am going to do someday) is to grow shorter plants in levels. So instead of two tall ass plants... grow 4 plants half the height and have one 'on top' of the other. Cuts veg time in half and you don't have to cut away lots of plant to keep it off the light.

Now... how you could make this style truly successful I think would work but would take an EXTREME amount of effort on the growers part. What I beleive would work great is to not cut any branches at all, but to 'supercrop' them (break them a couple times) and tuck them back.

Here's what I mean... the giant buds I had going all around the outside of the plant were great. They all wighed in the neighborhood of 5-10 grams. Some more. (top cola of CJ was 15.5 grams and I even took out stem weight) Now all those tiny tiny buds in the middle weighed like 0.2 - 0.3 grams... and there were hundreds of them. Most people throw the popcorn in their trim... but this was probably half my wieght here. Also... becuase they were given full light they were all the most killer popcorn buds you've ever seen. It's funny they are all purpleish looking but tiny tiny.

So what I am gettng at is to take the secodary branches that would have been growing strait towards the light. Break them near the main branch they are growing off and send them backwards to the dark... then break them halfway and put the tip of the branch in the light. At the same time strip everything off the secondary branch that is 'below' the tip in the light. Sort of like lollipopping each secondary branch. I beleive doing this would have gotten me the big buds filling the screen. But like I said this seems extremely work intensive.

Now the comparison. I've really only done 1 real horizontal grow to compare to this vertical grow. In my flat grow same lights, DWC as well, same nutes, DIFFERENT strains however.

FLAT: yeilded 11.2 oz - veg time: 4 weeks - flower time : 11 weeks.

VERT: yeilded 14 oz - veg time: 8 weeks - flower time: 12 weeks.

Not very impressive. However if I would have had two Casey Jones plants I could have gotten more like 19-20 oz.

So there it is. I had a shit load of fun. Grew about the same amount I would have from going flat.

Two positves about vert. It seemed much easier to keep the lights cool. Also it was nice not having to reach across a canopy (if that makes sense).

I think this answers your questions. Please feel free to ask me more as well. I'm not trying to hide anything with this vert screen attempt.

:peace:
 

proheto8008

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Hey JIG

do you think that leaf curling due to plants getting hit underneath by light is a problem for plants?

I have experienced alot of curling on my last grow and i want to know if my plants are being hurt by it.
 

jigfresh

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Hey JIG

do you think that leaf curling due to plants getting hit underneath by light is a problem for plants?

I have experienced alot of curling on my last grow and i want to know if my plants are being hurt by it.
Well this isn't my thread or anything... but I'll take a stab at the question anyhow.

I never really experience that I don't think. For the most part the leaves will turn the way they want to, I don't think the light would make them 'curl'.... just turn to face the light.

I think the curling could be from another factor, not the light, or the fact that it's vert. I would say that was either pH, nutes, or temps. Most likely pH by my guess.

I don't think curling leaves on thier own will cause much problems. It may however be a sign of something bigger going on. I personally wouldn't worry about it too much. You should see the leaves on my plants, lol.

Speaking of which:

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