Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

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dickkhead

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I bubbled mico madness from extreme gardening and honey es with alaskan hummus and then added 10ml/gal BO calmag, NN 10 ml potasium/G, NN 10 ml phosphurus, 25ml bio flores, 5 ml bs molasses, 5 ml humic acid, 5 ml b-12 thrive alove, EJ mineral matrix, 15 ml boost, and 3 ml pk/13-14! ec was 2000 ppm I watered this am and when i came back and looked tonight the leaves were pointing sky high!! i thought the ppm were alot but as matt says feed heavy and my last round the buds seemed fluffy so im feeding heavy to the end this round!!
 
PakaloloHui

PakaloloHui

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Matt Rize said:
yo man, whats up with the youtube animosity? i just do the best i can do.
if you cant tell by now i hate being on camera.
and if you read my message over there, promoting veganics is for sure not my priority right now.
isn't this thread good enough? I feel like I've given everything I can here already.
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No Animosity, just trying to get you to switch it up a bit. Trying to push you to do it, was hoping for "o.k. guys you asked for it."
You know I bet you can't, then you show us kinda thing. Trust me I'm very interested and I'm sure others are, too.
Don't have to be on camera just a little narrative with some weekly updates.
It may not be your priority, but give it some thought.
Reply "Maybe in the future or something" IDK???? or delete it it's cool:)

But hey, keep whatcha doing it's PRIMO!!!

Rize Up!

No Ka 'Oi
 
malignant

malignant

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wow matt, you had a shitty night! trolls... hopefully he'll get banned, and none of us will ever have to suffer his pointlessness.

wow i just went back and read all the deleted crap,try not to get mad at the poor fool. seriously think about what kind of person you would have to be and how empty, lonely, and meaningless your life would have to be to exist in that low level of consciousness. i feel sorry for bonkleesha, his life must be pathetic, and his life must be meaningless to be that miserable of a soul.
 
trichmasta

trichmasta

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I've been running the NN line with great success!! I followed the feed chart during early veg(n-8ml, p-12ml,k-12ml) and have had amazing vegative growth, greener leaves, no deficiencies, burn, nada!! I also added the Organa Add as a micro.

In transition, i raised the N to around 10 ml/gal and gonna see if i can get to 16/gal....;)
 
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Hey Kalyx, excellent first post, as it appears to be, & welcome! :D Besides mention from Rize that kushman was using coconot for a minute, it's probably all my posts you are refering too, i don't think anyone else uses or recommends it quite like me LOL. COCONOT (i hate the name, cheesy & missleading) is really an excellent addition to my mix, my first vegan grow was in 100% coconot and in VEG i never had better results! As mentioned in previous posts, it is a tricky medium to flower in, and probably shouldn't use biocanna with it. Since that grow nearly a year ago i have been amending and amending and i currently have a bitchen mix that includes it:

first i mix 50/50 reused soil and the below "fresh mix" but my measurements have become less and less exact lol

1 bag coconot
1 bag organic soil(less) mix, right now i'm using Ednas organic, i plan on trying roots organic next, i think cocoir would be a great addition
1 bag vermicrop organics VermiBlend (it's VEGAN!)
1 bag EWC (big bag, 20lbs or something?

so that base mix is 2:2:1:1 coconot/soil/compost/EWC

cut with some perlite, so that would probably make it 2:2:1:1:1 will use rice hulls next instead of perlite

then i add:
1 cup dolomite lime
1 cup alfalfa meal
1 cup kelp meal
1 cup neem sead meal
1 cup vegan mix by down to earth
1/2 cup epsom salt, i've used 1 cup with no notable difference


i think that's it, i plan on adding to the next mix

1 cup insect frass
1 cup azomite
1 cup soft rock phosphate, maybe

For fresh clones i get a few with some distorted growth for about a week, then they take off, others eat it up like nothin', so now for clones/seedlings i layer an inch or so of this "hot" mix on the bottom and then fill it up with light warrior or whatever

Soon i will do a side by side with a 100% vegan mix (our set back right now is the guanos/bone/feather whatever meals in the bags of soil we use)

Here it is:

1st the base mix as recomended by vermicrop organics
1 bag coconot
1 bag vermiblend

then amend with the above amendments, feed with my current supps/nutes and i'll have a 100% vegan grow that i believe will be successful! :)

Perlite may be "dead space" as it is just puffed glass, completely innert, but in my experiences the added pockets of air is more valuable than not having
any.

Kalyx said:
1. I have been trying to eliminate perlite from my mix too. Matt made a very valuable point early on in this thread, perlite is DEAD SPACE from a microbial perspective as its not a natural media. Danks! for sharing that, it gave me a whole new viewpoint on my mix. So basically; less perlite = more microbes = more mineralized (plant available) nutrition. HUGE in container organics and mama nature as we all know.
I still use some sort of aggregate (mostly dynarok medium size for a natural silica source) but have introduced 20% cocoNOT from vermicrop organics (replacing the usual 20% chunky perlite) and also use smartpots to aid in oxygen availabiity/ root health and get a wetter mix to dry out faster. Rize and this thread turned me onto CocoNOT and one guy claims nice results with it alone as soilless (matt felt differently when he used it alone.) It is redwood bark and kapok nuts, seems very fungus friendly and is REAL hydrophobic out of the bag. I wet it down with coco-wet prior to mixing it in a batch of soil (it is a bit dusty so hold on to your perlite mask). We lost a few good mix posts (and my first one too) in the 20 page void. Please re-post! I can post my mix if anyone is interesed, its based on whats already this thread.

2. I use BOOST every watering and every foliar, but I am willing to pay for UTMOST quality. To me it smells kinda like human babies, new in a non-plastic, non-industrial way! My plants (OGs) seem to love it. I agree with Matt its worth the premium, just dont get carried away (15ml per gal during initiation then 10 ml per gal, Foliar @ 15ml per gal too)

3. Put a hold on, haters! Keep life positive! Big-ups to Rize for raising the bar, and sharing the love/knowledge you have for our herb!
"If you ain't gettin' hated on you ain't doing sh*t". Peace, if not, medicate until peaceful!:peace:
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Kalyx

Kalyx

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blueJ said:
Hey Kalyx, excellent first post, as it appears to be, & welcome! :D
Perlite may be "dead space" as it is just puffed glass, completely innert, but in my experiences the added pockets of air is more valuable than not having
any.
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Thanks for the welcome BlueJ, and the info on coconot! I like it although am new to it (3 weeks into bloom on my OGs) but so far so good. Yes, I am a RIU rookie my first post disappeared with the last 20 pages??? I signed up to RIZE UP! to the next level in my personal medical garden (pain patient). Quality is THE goal in this garden.

I have never grown a plant without (preferably chunky) perlite. Usually 20+%. Oxygen availability in a living organic rhizosphere is SOOO important. Smart/root/fabric pots changed heavy perlite use for me! They save labor for noobs, no more mixing in more perlite to dry out fast. For more advanced growers we are usually mixing anyway so not as big a deal. But now I run a heavier mix in large (10 gallon w/handle) fabric pots. Im currently giving each plant 1.5 gallons every four days. I alternate biocanna plus supplements, and vegan compost tea every other watering and water in slow (another benefit of fabric pots; they make you!) My feeding and mix are wholly based on this thread! DANKS ALOT to everyone who has contributed! Even if you are MR. ORGANIC make the time to READ IT ALL and you'll learn A LOT, I sure did. I've been growing organic a long time, but am very excited to go HIGHER on the quest for QUALITY meds. Danks again Matt and everyone else at RIU.


Kalyx's NOT VEGAN SOIL MIX for Rize up! Veganic Gardening

From what I've read (CANNA also confirms) FFHF and other less hot peat mixes tend to fall short for BIO CANNA based veganics so I based my mix on FFOF. Also, with (Rize up!) veganic gardening techniques (super-alive mostly vegan amended soilless) perlite has been referred to as a lifeless void in the rhizosphere. Thus, I have tried to keep (chunky... always chunky) perlite use to a minimum. It only shows up in the FFOF and my (re-used) mostly dyna rok (with some chunky perlite) aggregate. I also use RO water. (All the talk about purity, I sure don't trust the tap in my area!)

THE BASE:

1.5 cu ft FFOF (about 10 gal, 50%)
Coconut Coir (2 gal, 10%)
"Aggregate" --Mine is Mostly Dyna Rok Silica Stone with some chunky perlite, all re-used (2 gal, 10%)
COCONOT (2 gal, 10%)
EWC (2 gal, 10%)
Ancient Forest Alaska Humus (2 gal, 10%)

*if you cant get COCONOT, and dyna-rok you could easily substitute chunky perlite (4 gal, 20%) instead of the harder to find two as the "Aggregate" in this mix. You just lose the non-synth silica :) from dyna-rok and the increased volume for your microbes that the COCONOT offers opposed to perlite. If you cant find Ancient Forest you could substitute any high quality compost with high microbe diversity. Or you could just up it to 20% EWC (no fungi in EWC though).
*I may try roots organic potting soil instead of FFOF, based on what sub has to say and I just hate supporting the big guy (sorry willy)

AMENDMENTS (can go this high but I didn't):

2 cups Dolomite Lime (1 cup/ ft3)
2 cups Baseline Granular Concentrate Peat Humus (1 cup/ ft3)
2 cups Powdered Glacial Rock (1 cup/ ft3)
2 cups Alfalfa Meal (1 cup/ ft3)
1 cup Kelp Meal (.5 cup/ ft3)
1 cup Azomite (.5 cup/ ft3)
.25 cup Epsom Salts
Complete Inoculant (Bacteria and Fungi and Myco; whole SPORES are better than propagules!) like GreenGro Granular Plus Mycorrhizae

I mix everything thoroughly and water in about 2 gallons of RO with liquid kelp and micros. Ideally I let it sit for at least two weeks stirring every five days. However, I usually transplant into it in a few days with one stir before transplant and the plants all LOVE it cured or not.

I use this mix straight for the last veg transplant (5 gal fabric pot in my garden) and the final (bloom) transplant (10 gallon fabric pot for me). For the first veg transplant (1 gallon fabric pot) I cut this mix 50/50: NotVmix/(equal parts coconot, coco coir, aggregate).

Post up those mixes we lost in the 20 page void everybody. And Buddy please repost all that non-bottle veganic input knowledge please! Sidenote: that is my goal too, grow top quality crops with all locally sourced wholesome, hand-made with love inputs in a sustainable, or at least low impact garden/farm. No bottles, just the Earth and its 'crobes! (sorry canna:cry:)
 
Daemonn789

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Kalyx said:
Thanks for the welcome BlueJ, and the info on coconot! I like it although am new to it (3 weeks into bloom on my OGs) but so far so good. Yes, I am a RIU rookie my first post disappeared with the last 20 pages??? I signed up to RIZE UP! to the next level in my personal medical garden (pain patient). Quality is THE goal in this garden.

I have never grown a plant without (preferably chunky) perlite. Usually 20+%. Oxygen availability in a living organic rhizosphere is SOOO important. Smart/root/fabric pots changed heavy perlite use for me! They save labor for noobs, no more mixing in more perlite to dry out fast. For more advanced growers we are usually mixing anyway so not as big a deal. But now I run a heavier mix in large (10 gallon w/handle) fabric pots. Im currently giving each plant 1.5 gallons every four days. I alternate biocanna plus supplements, and vegan compost tea every other watering and water in slow (another benefit of fabric pots; they make you!) My feeding and mix are wholly based on this thread! DANKS ALOT to everyone who has contributed! Even if you are MR. ORGANIC make the time to READ IT ALL and you'll learn A LOT, I sure did. I've been growing organic a long time, but am very excited to go HIGHER on the quest for QUALITY meds. Danks again Matt and everyone else at RIU.


Kalyx's NOT VEGAN SOIL MIX for Rize up! Veganic Gardening

From what I've read (CANNA also confirms) FFHF and other less hot peat mixes tend to fall short for BIO CANNA based veganics so I based my mix on FFOF. Also, with (Rize up!) veganic gardening techniques (super-alive mostly vegan amended soilless) perlite has been referred to as a lifeless void in the rhizosphere. Thus, I have tried to keep (chunky... always chunky) perlite use to a minimum. It only shows up in the FFOF and my (re-used) mostly dyna rok (with some chunky perlite) aggregate. I also use RO water. (All the talk about purity, I sure don't trust the tap in my area!)

THE BASE:

1.5 cu ft FFOF (about 10 gal, 50%)
Coconut Coir (2 gal, 10%)
"Aggregate" --Mine is Mostly Dyna Rok Silica Stone with some chunky perlite, all re-used (2 gal, 10%)
COCONOT (2 gal, 10%)
EWC (2 gal, 10%)
Ancient Forest Alaska Humus (2 gal, 10%)

*if you cant get COCONOT, and dyna-rok you could easily substitute chunky perlite (4 gal, 20%) instead of the harder to find two as the "Aggregate" in this mix. You just lose the non-synth silica :) from dyna-rok and the increased volume for your microbes that the COCONOT offers opposed to perlite. If you cant find Ancient Forest you could substitute any high quality compost with high microbe diversity. Or you could just up it to 20% EWC (no fungi in EWC though).
*I may try roots organic potting soil instead of FFOF, based on what sub has to say and I just hate supporting the big guy (sorry willy)

AMENDMENTS (can go this high but I didn't):

2 cups Dolomite Lime (1 cup/ ft3)
2 cups Baseline Granular Concentrate Peat Humus (1 cup/ ft3)
2 cups Powdered Glacial Rock (1 cup/ ft3)
2 cups Alfalfa Meal (1 cup/ ft3)
1 cup Kelp Meal (.5 cup/ ft3)
1 cup Azomite (.5 cup/ ft3)
.25 cup Epsom Salts
Complete Inoculant (Bacteria and Fungi and Myco; whole SPORES are better than propagules!) like GreenGro Granular Plus Mycorrhizae

I mix everything thoroughly and water in about 2 gallons of RO with liquid kelp and micros. Ideally I let it sit for at least two weeks stirring every five days. However, I usually transplant into it in a few days with one stir before transplant and the plants all LOVE it cured or not.

I use this mix straight for the last veg transplant (5 gal fabric pot in my garden) and the final (bloom) transplant (10 gallon fabric pot for me). For the first veg transplant (1 gallon fabric pot) I cut this mix 50/50: NotVmix/(equal parts coconot, coco coir, aggregate).

Post up those mixes we lost in the 20 page void everybody. And Buddy please repost all that non-bottle veganic input knowledge please! Sidenote: that is my goal too, grow top quality crops with all locally sourced wholesome, hand-made with love inputs in a sustainable, or at least low impact garden/farm. No bottles, just the Earth and its 'crobes! (sorry canna:cry:)
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+++ Rep! Too much good info in your post. I am currently on my 2nd grow, originally I purchased the full line of Humboldt Organic Nutrients, FFOF, FFHF, and FFLW. Figured I'd give "bottled" organics a try because I was in the process of just moving to California and also relocating from house to house after arriving. I've been in this wonderful place for about 8 months and have started my whole set up from scratch so I am just getting everything going here.

My first grow ever blew some people away, that convinced me organics was wayyyy better than chem growing. Taste, flavor, colors, everything!! Now, as people are exploring the next level of quality, I too must get aboard this train! I have finally settled into my permanent home and have begun my backyard garden and soil mix. I plan on a mix nearly identical to this and this helps quite a lot... Thanks again for the great post. I hope to have a fully veganic indoor garden up and running in about a month or two... RIZE UP!
 
1337hacker

1337hacker

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So I'm really confused... all I am reading here is people are mixing Biocanna with their own ACTs of random nature.... why?

Are the fpe's that come in biocanna not already powerful enough to handle the microherd / feeding that is already going on? The basis of most things I have read about veganics is letting your products ferment, not oxidizing them.

Edit: Also isn't adding in the microorganisms that aren't already established via the fermented product just going to counter act what is already going on?
 
Daemonn789

Daemonn789

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1337hacker said:
So I'm really confused... all I am reading here is people are mixing Biocanna with their own ACTs of random nature.... why?

Are the fpe's that come in biocanna not already powerful enough to handle the microherd / feeding that is already going on? The basis of most things I have read about veganics is letting your products ferment, not oxidizing them.

Edit: Also isn't adding in the microorganisms that aren't already established via the fermented product just going to counter act what is already going on?
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If that's all you're reading... you need to reread the thread.

EDIT: There's many pages... but lots of info. People are doing many things relating to organics and also vegan growing. Some people combine bottled products with home made soils/teas and others go all home made. This is a thread where people are sharing their experience and exploring different possibilities.

And also I don't think I read many posts where people are talking about biocanna tea mixes as a main topic... simply using the biocanna line along with other products and in conjunction with teas.
 
Dank Raptor

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1337hacker said:
So I'm really confused... all I am reading here is people are mixing Biocanna with their own ACTs of random nature.... why?

Are the fpe's that come in biocanna not already powerful enough to handle the microherd / feeding that is already going on? The basis of most things I have read about veganics is letting your products ferment, not oxidizing them.

Edit: Also isn't adding in the microorganisms that aren't already established via the fermented product just going to counter act what is already going on?
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Yes Biocannas plenty powerful enough to feed the microherd but we push our plants for maximum yield. Letting products ferment is the whole reason why I buy Biocanna. It is a fermented plant extract. I could make it myself but I don't wanna deal with the smelly mess.

Microorganisms dont counteract. They work together. Aerobic bacteria consumes anaerobic bacteria and makes it good again. It is a process used in wastewater treatment where bacteria is used to eliminate the bad stuff. Its also used in our garden but the bacteria feed our plants. If some type of microorganism is not liked by the microherd it will become food.
 
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blueJ

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BC God Bud, somewhere between 3 & 4 weeks, a short 'n fat pheno, never topped, birthday was in the 1st week of jan. i think (from seed) startin to smell like one mean girl, more spicy than sweet.

It's a little enhanced from the light, but in regards to the yellowing on the lower fans in the last pic - would you say
1. perfectly normal for this age
2. oldest leaves from main stem, normal aging/dying of old leaves
3. keep feeding her, first signs that she's gettin' hungry!
 
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blueJ

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This is the more sativa leaning pheno - God Bud, and it's all sweet 'n fruity smellin', no spice and extra frosty for this age :D, a four footer, quite the stretcher after flipped
 
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blueJ

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http://www.agroecology.org/Case Studies/rice_hull.html

Good info supporting what i want to do with rice hulls in place of perlite, notably:

Using rice hulls and rice hull/manure composts and vermicomposts improves soil fertility, soil organic matter, soil physical properties, and soil structure over the long-term. Rice hull compost is especially useful in boosting the humus content of soil organic matter, providing a long-term source of nutrients that will gradually become available.

A 50lb bag seems to run about $30 online and expands to 7CuF or something like that, will see if my local shop will let me deliver to them, or maybe start carrying it themselves. Maybe add new rice hulls to the mix every 3 runs or so as it starts to decompose and add to the goodness of the soil, rather than perlite which......turns to inert mush over time?

http://www.groworganic.com/rice-hulls-50-lb-bag.html
 
farmer2424

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Hey Matt, didn't know where to post this so i figured u'd be around here. just wanted to show off some kandy kush bubble i pulled the other day. I use the 1 gal kit, and run the 160,120,90,73,45, and 25 at the end. I use subs methods for the most part except for a more controlled 30 minute stir, and i layer my material more. After watching your hash making video i've incorporated your spraying techniques to push the plant material thorough more and it yields a really clean end product. using the sprayer makes scraping the bags so much easier, your techniques have really help my friend and I step our hash game up. i also find that letting the trim reduce for 24 hours before freezing really helps reduce the plant matter in the bags, especially with the longer stir. i pulled this 9 gram run off of a third of a freezer bag of outdoor kandy kush trim. The 90 and 73 are full melt clear dome, and the 120 is almost full melt. the 90 chunk weighed 3.8g.
Without your techniques and videos, we wouldn't be pulling near this quality. Rize up! first two screen pics are 120,90, then with the 73 chunk. individual pics are 120µi, next 3 pics are the 90µi, the 73µi, then the 45µi in the tin. :peace:
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