Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

+ WitchDoctor +

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I just had some sent to a lab and their comments were: Some white and mostly cloudy, even less amber... She said that's what they are looking for. I've been using a crappy little hand held microscope for like 12 bucks at the hydro store, it works good enough. But I'm gonna buy the USB one soon, and just have my laptop next to the plants.
 

dickkhead

Active Member
Exactly, just watch closely thats all. I let myself get tricked every time I harvest by random ambers here and there, just be sure the trichs are full is the important thing, but if you're getting end of life nanners I'd be really close and ready with the scissors. I've been trying to catch them when they are going from clear to cloudy with some just turning amber, I have yet to achieve this perfectly but thats what I'm trying for myself.
this is my first round! And from my research white r cloudy is when thc is at it peak and as it ambers it's converting the thc to cbd making it more of a body stone then a head high. By trichs being full you mean they have heads right? Some people just go by the hairs an say when there brown cut them down. Thank you for all your input!!:)
 

+ WitchDoctor +

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this is my first round! And from my research white r cloudy is when thc is at it peak and as it ambers it's converting the thc to cbd making it more of a body stone then a head high.
Close..but the THC actually degrades into CNB, not CBD.
If it degraded into CBD we'd probably be flowering our plants for much MUCH longer...and I'm pretty sure we would live forever from smoking them. :weed:


Some people just go by the hairs an say when there brown cut them down. Thank you for all your input!!:)
I guess that works if your strain has brown hairs and they happen to all turn brown at the same time your trichomes have turned from white to cloudy..but I'd stick with a cheap microscope instead.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
So no more indoor for Matt? I wish I could just build greenhouses. Would be so much easier, lol. Ahh to wish.
thats the plan. except moms and maybe babies inside.
Will you be able to make your outdoor as good as your indoor?

I think its a myth that outdoor cant be as good as indoor, what do you think?
hope so. i see some outdoor from good organic growers here that rivals or beats any indoor.
the outdoor extracts are also phenomenal.
 

dickkhead

Active Member
Close..but the THC actually degrades into CNB, not CBD.
If it degraded into CBD we'd probably be flowering our plants for much MUCH longer...and I'm pretty sure we would live forever from smoking them. :weed:





I guess that works if your strain has brown hairs and they happen to all turn brown at the same time your trichomes have turned from white to cloudy..but I'd stick with a cheap microscope instead.
Yea in def sticking to the Microscope and will be chopping soon!:)
 

dickkhead

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You guys might know this I started a thread but no responses!
Im mixing up subs super soil and ordered tm7 Humic acid and realized its only 52% which is still high compared to humboldts .2% garbage! But how much should I add to the 6 bags of roots 2 bags of bio bizz light, 50 lb of wc and all the other goodys...
 

+ WitchDoctor +

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You guys might know this I started a thread but no responses!
Im mixing up subs super soil and ordered tm7 Humic acid and realized its only 52% which is still high compared to humboldts .2% garbage! But how much should I add to the 6 bags of roots 2 bags of bio bizz light, 50 lb of wc and all the other goodys...
I thought the amount to use was listed in his recipe? Either way, I wouldn't put it in the soil mix. You totally can if you want to, but wouldn't you rather know when you plants are getting it, and how much they're getting? If you mix it into the soil, the best you can do is come up with an educated guess as to how much to use, rather than have the ability to read your plants to know when to use it. Unless I'm wrong, it's not actually any more beneficial to mix it into the soil first, so I add it to the reservoir with the rest of my nutrients.

What roots soil are you using, and do you like it? I tried using 50/50 roots coco mix and happy frog for a few runs and was dissapointed...leaf tips were always curled...but the artwork on the bags has been looking much flashier...
 

NightbirdX

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You guys might know this I started a thread but no responses!
Im mixing up subs super soil and ordered tm7 Humic acid and realized its only 52% which is still high compared to humboldts .2% garbage! But how much should I add to the 6 bags of roots 2 bags of bio bizz light, 50 lb of wc and all the other goodys...
Mix it into water and add in. It is still a bit grainy, so make sure you are keeping it in suspension when pouring it. I do 1/2tsp/gal of h2o. I add that, 5ml Honey ES, and h2o when I let my soil cook. I wasn't sure what to add when it came to mixing soil because it is kinda cloudy. So i ended up just doing it like i did when I added it to my plants.

I thought the amount to use was listed in his recipe? Either way, I wouldn't put it in the soil mix. You totally can if you want to, but wouldn't you rather know when you plants are getting it, and how much they're getting? If you mix it into the soil, the best you can do is come up with an educated guess as to how much to use, rather than have the ability to read your plants to know when to use it. Unless I'm wrong, it's not actually any more beneficial to mix it into the soil first, so I add it to the reservoir with the rest of my nutrients.

What roots soil are you using, and do you like it? I tried using 50/50 roots coco mix and happy frog for a few runs and was dissapointed...leaf tips were always curled...but the artwork on the bags has been looking much flashier...
I have heard that it is beneficial to use at all stages. The plants like the humic, and it acts like a compost activator when letting soil cook

And unfortunately, flashy bags don't really grow nice plants, lol. I use HF and OF mix with several amendments. If you are looking to do a water only mix, you will have to add some amendments to it still. Be sure to add lime, oyster shell, or gypsum to the mix to keep pH in check and add a cal source, cal and mag with the lime. I hear the pH on HF can be wonky at times. The lime will help smooth this out.
 

Kalyx

Active Member
In winter I grew all my meds in 15 gallon root pots with Roots 707 mix. The 707 was great, all strains yielded well and had great flavor profiles. Nutes I used this round were Roots Organics full line pretty much as directed on the feeding schedules. The 707 mix is for larger containers; less aggregrate = more goodies and less watering chore for me. I watered every 4-5 days alternating nute and plain water. The plant on the left is OG kush the right is 'cherry'. Detail is the OG which I LOVED. .P1010208.jpgP1010209.jpgP1010210.jpg

Next round also in Roots 707 watered every 4-5 days. Both plants are Subs Agent Orange. Left plant was fed GO full line and yielded 130 grams of high quality. Right plant was fed ONLY (~24 hour brewed) compost Tea's based on Vital Earth's chart every other watering(just not using all THEIR products)(yes, i did use that much guano and it did not burn my plant, it loved it actually, I know its not vegan but it was a big learning experience on the power of AACTs for me) and she yielded 138 grams of higher quality, much more complex flavor profile and denser, stickier nugs! AACT for the win!!! The AACT plant didn't look bigger at all but weighed in more, and sure was prettier!
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Agent Pics: 1)Both plants under 1000w 2)Detail comparison (GO left, AACT right) 3)GO detail 4)AACT detail 5)AACT detail @8wks 6)AACT detail on trim table

DAMN pics took awhile to load. Thanks Matt for teaching me about dabbing to fill those little wait times in life/growing/hashing! Kudos and as smooth a move to you as possible. If I was in CA id show up in my truck to help the one who's helped us all!
PS I grew these babies before I found your knowledge and its helped me realize how much more there is to learn no matter where I think I'm at:lol:

PSS here is a mix that should work great WitchDoctor. Its similar to what your used to and actually what I vegged the plants in the pics in before the final transplant into Roots 707.

10 scoop mix (any volume):

5 scoops FFHF (happy frog)
2 scoops chunky perlite
2 scoops coco coir
1 scoop EWC

BAM. simple. easily obtained. this is my fall back mix! Happy spring planting everyone...
 

dickkhead

Active Member
I thought the amount to use was listed in his recipe? Either way, I wouldn't put it in the soil mix. You totally can if you want to, but wouldn't you rather know when you plants are getting it, and how much they're getting? If you mix it into the soil, the best you can do is come up with an educated guess as to how much to use, rather than have the ability to read your plants to know when to use it. Unless I'm wrong, it's not actually any more beneficial to mix it into the soil first, so I add it to the reservoir with the rest of my nutrients.

What roots soil are you using, and do you like it? I tried using 50/50 roots coco mix and happy frog for a few runs and was dissapointed...leaf tips were always curled...but the artwork on the bags has been looking much flashier...
He says 2 TBL to a full batch of ss the reg roots not the 707. Have you tries his ss recipe and let it sit for 30 days the buds look amazing and everyone I ask favors this method so I'm Gna give it a go
 

Wolverine97

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Thanks night bird I think I'm Gna try n sprinkle it but my only concern was the fact it's only 52%
I'd stick with watering it in, man. You'll have a hard time getting even distribution through the medium mixing in a tiny quantity of powder like that...
 

dickkhead

Active Member
I'd stick with watering it in, man. You'll have a hard time getting even distribution through the medium mixing in a tiny quantity of powder like that...
Ik after reading the idea I thought about that the fact it would distribute better! So that's what I'm Gna do:)

Happy 420 folks
 

+ WitchDoctor +

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I have heard that it is beneficial to use at all stages. The plants like the humic, and it acts like a compost activator when letting soil cook

And unfortunately, flashy bags don't really grow nice plants, lol. I use HF and OF mix with several amendments. If you are looking to do a water only mix, you will have to add some amendments to it still. Be sure to add lime, oyster shell, or gypsum to the mix to keep pH in check and add a cal source, cal and mag with the lime. I hear the pH on HF can be wonky at times. The lime will help smooth this out.
Thanks man. I use it in all stages, I've just never heard anything beneficial about mixing it into the soil but the what thing I CAN prove is that there is no way to guarantee that it's evenly distributed in the soil...not that anything else in my mix is guaranteed to be evenly distributed, but something that small....not me. Back when I used to use sea bird guana I burned the hell outta a couple plants that way.

But I do let my soil cook, so I'll look into adding some...maybe Bioag's liquid formula to the water before I break up my coco bales and soak them.

I actually have a really good soil mix now and I don't buy any of the bagged stuff any more, not even good ol' happy frog with it's wonky pH lol. Unless I need something quick to plant some clones in and don't have anything mixed up, which is why I was wondering about the Roots. I guess I just didn't have any luck with the Coco mix, but all of those mixes have stuff in them I don't want in my mix anyways....

PSS here is a mix that should work great WitchDoctor. Its similar to what your used to and actually what I vegged the plants in the pics in before the final transplant into Roots 707.

10 scoop mix (any volume):

5 scoops FFHF (happy frog)
2 scoops chunky perlite
2 scoops coco coir
1 scoop EWC

BAM. simple. easily obtained. this is my fall back mix! Happy spring planting everyone...
Thanks Kalyx, and those pictures look wonderful thanks for posting them! Now I'm hungry, you're certainly doing that 707 mix justice!

Your fallback mix is similar to mine except I don't like perlite...I've been using about 5% coco chips instead though in my mixes and it seems to be doing the job.

Ik after reading the idea I thought about that the fact it would distribute better! So that's what I'm Gna do:)

Happy 420 folks
Glad you got it figured out man. Happy 420!
 

dickkhead

Active Member
In winter I grew all my meds in 15 gallon root pots with Roots 707 mix. The 707 was great, all strains yielded well and had great flavor profiles. Nutes I used this round were Roots Organics full line pretty much as directed on the feeding schedules. The 707 mix is for larger containers; less aggregrate = more goodies and less watering chore for me. I watered every 4-5 days alternating nute and plain water. The plant on the left is OG kush the right is 'cherry'. Detail is the OG which I LOVED. .View attachment 2129886View attachment 2129892View attachment 2129893

Next round also in Roots 707 watered every 4-5 days. Both plants are Subs Agent Orange. Left plant was fed GO full line and yielded 130 grams of high quality. Right plant was fed ONLY (~24 hour brewed) compost Tea's based on Vital Earth's chart every other watering(just not using all THEIR products)(yes, i did use that much guano and it did not burn my plant, it loved it actually, I know its not vegan but it was a big learning experience on the power of AACTs for me) and she yielded 138 grams of higher quality, much more complex flavor profile and denser, stickier nugs! AACT for the win!!! The AACT plant didn't look bigger at all but weighed in more, and sure was prettier!
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Agent Pics: 1)Both plants under 1000w 2)Detail comparison (GO left, AACT right) 3)GO detail 4)AACT detail 5)AACT detail @8wks 6)AACT detail on trim table

DAMN pics took awhile to load. Thanks Matt for teaching me about dabbing to fill those little wait times in life/growing/hashing! Kudos and as smooth a move to you as possible. If I was in CA id show up in my truck to help the one who's helped us all!
PS I grew these babies before I found your knowledge and its helped me realize how much more there is to learn no matter where I think I'm at:lol:

PSS here is a mix that should work great WitchDoctor. Its similar to what your used to and actually what I vegged the plants in the pics in before the final transplant into Roots 707.

10 scoop mix (any volume):

5 scoops FFHF (happy frog)
2 scoops chunky perlite
2 scoops coco coir
1 scoop EWC

BAM. simple. easily obtained. this is my fall back mix! Happy spring planting everyone...
those plants look awesome!! and your veg mix is similiar to what i ran on asingle clone cutting and threw right into flower in a 1 gallon pot it was
ff hf 1/2 container
1 cup ewc
tbl neem cake
rest of container pro mix
and the single cola is as fat as my high pressure aero girls!

and I fed her acct teas along with bio canna
 

+ WitchDoctor +

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Has anyone attempted to make a veganic super soil? would this be feasable?
Yes! Completely possible. Easier for outdoor than indoor though. I'm working towards one, as well as others on here. We all take different directions though it seems. I'm working on a high PK compost so that hopefully I don't have to use liquid rock phosphate any more for P. I get all my K and most of my N in my mix right now, although I still supplement with a liquid N product when I need it. Other people are using slow release rock phosphate as well.

I'll probably still use small amounts of Bio Canna or another base nutrient either way, but right now I'm doing teas every other feeding.
 
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