Veg and Bloom Grow

Chiggachamp

Chiggachamp

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I'm not having really any probs with vb now. I bumped up my Ppm's to 600. With no added calmag only ph up.
They look happy but nly time will tell.
PIE like this soiless mix but I think I should double up on the perlite to get it to dry quicker. I only feed twice a week maybe
 
robert030188

robert030188

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Chiggachamp said:
I'm not having really any probs with vb now. I bumped up my Ppm's to 600. With no added calmag only ph up.
They look happy but nly time will tell.
PIE like this soiless mix but I think I should double up on the perlite to get it to dry quicker. I only feed twice a week maybe
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I actually feed non stop while in flower too...just mess with your measurment some like more some less just depends on straine and lighting, post a pic i'd like to see your babies
 
homebrewer

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Cuebossa said:
Lucius, I'm not Veg+bloom. I use Veg+bloom, but thats where the relationship ends. You've actually presented this conspiracy before and I've answered the same. I'm a big beliver in finding things that work and sharing them. It makes me feel good. Maybe post some pics of your problematic plants and I can help you figure out why they are yellowing?? now that would be productive :) I'll hve harvest pics by Monday. The JTR I am chopping are some of the best yet! Very excited to have some fresh smoke for new years!
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I love the paranoid, conspiracy theorist stoners on this forum. I can't tell if it's the herb or their age that makes them that way but one thing is for sure, they don't like it when their $500 collection of snake oils perform half as well as a simple base nutrient with good ratios.
 
Chiggachamp

Chiggachamp

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robert030188 said:
I actually feed non stop while in flower too...just mess with your measurment some like more some less just depends on straine and lighting, post a pic i'd like to see your babies
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What kinda light u using?
And I will post sum in a week no computer just iPad aha. I got sum in veg and bloom (pun intended) lol but the ones in bloom suck ass. They are about done. They are all small as hell because I used a new medium thinking it was coco only to find it to be coco base soulless medium so my ph was off by almost a whole point completely locking out all my micro nutes. so they are tiny only flowered to see what I had cloning
 
homebrewer

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patlpp said:
Dyna-gro (except foliage-pro) sucks ass for ratio's. What is the advantage of 3x too much phosphorous and 50% ammoniacal nitro that makes it so good? Dyna is a generic mix catering to too many type plants with too many compromises.
The only time Advanced performed half as well is when you were doing the growing.
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I can explain it to you if you'd like but I have a feeling you wouldn't get it, just like you generally 'don't get it' when I explain things to you. This is also the wrong thread for that. I've noticed you like throwing your two cents in on these different plant food brands whether it's pertinent or not yet you have no grow journals here. I guess we'll just take your word for it since you seem like such a level-headed and rational guy ;).
 
rocpilefsj

rocpilefsj

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Keep the posts relevant and please refrain from personal attacks or posting obscene pics please. Play nicely children!
 
Cuebossa

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Gentleman please.... Here is another older indica variety that I have in the promix and running at 1.2-1.6 and loving it. More pics as this lovely ladies fills out.

 
robert030188

robert030188

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Chiggachamp said:
What kinda light u using?
And I will post sum in a week no computer just iPad aha. I got sum in veg and bloom (pun intended) lol but the ones in bloom suck ass. They are about done. They are all small as hell because I used a new medium thinking it was coco only to find it to be coco base soulless medium so my ph was off by almost a whole point completely locking out all my micro nutes. so they are tiny only flowered to see what I had cloning
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I use cfls personally and i know alot of people get bashed for it but i dont see why. i can get just as many lumens from cfls as hps, mh, or LED. Right now im on 12,000 lumens 3 65 watt 2700k for one plant and 10,000 is more than sufficient for one. $39 for all three i save energy out the ass compared to HPS. if you do the math you'll find the cost in the beginning may be higher to get 100,000 lumens but in the long run they'll spend more and get the same bud pretty much. How far from being done are you? Never give up even if it seems hopeless your girls are probably stronger than you think. if you can change medium i would if your PH is off
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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robert030188 said:
I use cfls personally and i know alot of people get bashed for it but i dont see why. i can get just as many lumens from cfls as hps, mh, or LED. Right now im on 12,000 lumens 3 65 watt 2700k for one plant and 10,000 is more than sufficient for one. $39 for all three i save energy out the ass compared to HPS. if you do the math you'll find the cost in the beginning may be higher to get 100,000 lumens but in the long run they'll spend more and get the same bud pretty much. How far from being done are you? Never give up even if it seems hopeless your girls are probably stronger than you think. if you can change medium i would if your PH is off
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I don't know where you learned math or cost efficiency, but you are wrong.

You don't believe me? Let me prove you wrong then.

So, you say you have a CFL system which is more efficient than HPS, right? So, you have 12,000 lumens, right? That's running 195 watts of cfl, right?

195w cfl = 12,000 lumens (assuming what you say is true)
200w hps = 22,000 lumens (fact: http://www.lectrons.com/product/200-watt-et18-144.cfm )

So, please explain to me how HPS is costing more, and less effective than HID. Seems to me that you get almost twice as much output from the hps vs the cfl.

Honestly, your plants look very stretchy. I could tell you have light issues (which I already had assumed cfl) before you even said cfl.
 
robert030188

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Correction 55 watt-150 watt incandescent equivalent. Now tack on cooling costs for the hps..the only reason my plant is stretched is because i was not the one tending it for a week. i have since fixed the problem and my later posts will prove that you should follow my thread. I dont expect you to agree. and these are low end cfls i can get 2 cfls doing 130 watts get 20,000 lumens, don't have to worry about heat, and the bulb lasts longer...you also need a ballast and hood. I can put cfl where ever i want w/o worry. But this argument will never end...
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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robert030188 said:
Correction 55 watt-150 watt incandescent equivalent. Now tack on cooling costs for the hps..the only reason my plant is stretched is because i was not the one tending it for a week. i have since fixed the problem and my later posts will prove that you should follow my thread. I dont expect you to agree. and these are low end cfls i can get 2 cfls doing 130 watts get 20,000 lumens, don't have to worry about heat, and the bulb lasts longer...you also need a ballast and hood. I can put cfl where ever i want w/o worry. But this argument will never end...
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where are you coming up with this dude?

There's no way you can produce 20,000 lumens from 130watts of cfl. Heck, you can't even do it with 200w cfl. Go ahead, prove me wrong. I mean, try to prove me wrong.

I don't see why your plant stretched just because you weren't watching it. Do you have a sun-like glow that helps your plants grow better or something?

Additional costs to cool? It doesn't cost me anything extra to cool, aside from the extra length of ducting I bought at $10 to connect the exhaust fan I would need anyway (to get fresh air to the plants), and hook it up to my hood. In fact I only needed to do this for 600w HPS and above. 400w doesn't really need any extra cooling, aside from normal intake/exhaust which you need anyway. Anyhow, my fan only uses 60w, which is about 5% of my total power consumption for a small tent.

Not sure how you think the bulb is gonna last longer. CFLs are rated for 10,000 hours. HPS is rated for 24,000 to 40,000 hours depending on the specific lamp.

Oh, you are right about one thing -- you do need a hood and ballast. The hood and ballast for a standard 600w system is around $200, so there is some up front investment. However a god investment should last around 10 years. That investment only costs $20 a year. The total investment is $.33/watt. Look on craigslist, and you can get a setup for under $100. There is also investment in cfl however. You are going to need a clamp light or something of the sort, which will cost around $8 for every 55w cfl, plus random extension cords and stuff, not to mention the cfl itself. It's around $12 per cfl/light/cordset I'm guessing total. So your investment for the 3 cfls is prolly around $36 for 155 watts. That's $.23/watt for the investment. I guess you got me beat there. Congrats on saving $.10/w on the investment. Unfortunately you'll be blowing that savings real quick every month due to the low efficiency of cfl.

You can put a cfl wherever you want "without worry", but I don't have to, because I have one big light that covers all my plants with a strong sun-like intensity with a full light spectrum.

I think I just ended the argument.
 
robert030188

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PJ Diaz said:
where are you coming up with this dude?

There's no way you can produce 20,000 lumens from 130watts of cfl. Heck, you can't even do it with 200w cfl. Go ahead, prove me wrong. I mean, try to prove me wrong.

I don't see why your plant stretched just because you weren't watching it. Do you have a sun-like glow that helps your plants grow better or something?

Additional costs to cool? It doesn't cost me anything extra to cool, aside from the extra length of ducting I bought at $10 to connect the exhaust fan I would need anyway (to get fresh air to the plants), and hook it up to my hood. In fact I only needed to do this for 600w HPS and above. 400w doesn't really need any extra cooling, aside from normal intake/exhaust which you need anyway. Anyhow, my fan only uses 60w, which is about 5% of my total power consumption for a small tent.

Not sure how you think the bulb is gonna last longer. CFLs are rated for 10,000 hours. HPS is rated for 24,000 to 40,000 hours depending on the specific lamp.

Oh, you are right about one thing -- you do need a hood and ballast. The hood and ballast for a standard 600w system is around $200, so there is some up front investment. However a god investment should last around 10 years. That investment only costs $20 a year. The total investment is $.33/watt. Look on craigslist, and you can get a setup for under $100. There is also investment in cfl however. You are going to need a clamp light or something of the sort, which will cost around $8 for every 55w cfl, plus random extension cords and stuff, not to mention the cfl itself. It's around $12 per cfl/light/cordset I'm guessing total. So your investment for the 3 cfls is prolly around $36 for 155 watts. That's $.23/watt for the investment. I guess you got me beat there. Congrats on saving $.10/w on the investment. Unfortunately you'll be blowing that savings real quick every month due to the low efficiency of cfl.

You can put a cfl wherever you want "without worry", but I don't have to, because I have one big light that covers all my plants with a strong sun-like intensity with a full light spectrum.

I think I just ended the argument.
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at 2 inches away a 23watt cfl is pushing 3,300 lumens if i set up 8 anywhere i want i'd blow an hps outta the water pushing 26,400 lumens on 184 watts and to get 100,000 lumens = 697 watts...not sure about larger wattage cfl haven't measured the lumens on them yet, but this is where you start again sir, and no i dont admit a glow like the sun but it would be cool...they are at my cousins and he has never done cfl so i didn't know he changed the setup, last i saw they were really close...gotta know the story first, and my foliage has more than doubled after one night
 
robert030188

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i can get 12 23 watt bulbs for $25, 2 bucks a light roughly
sockets cost nothing really with splitters $18
power cords $15
all together $58
 
robert030188

robert030188

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For my one plant 12,000 lumens is sufficient and was cheapest cost
$36 for lights
$7 for socket and splitters

expecting about a QP from just one if i can get 1g per watt or close
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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robert030188 said:
PJ Diaz said:
where are you coming up with this dude?

There's no way you can produce 20,000 lumens from 130watts of cfl. Heck, you can't even do it with 200w cfl. Go ahead, prove me wrong. I mean, try to prove me wrong.

I don't see why your plant stretched just because you weren't watching it. Do you have a sun-like glow that helps your plants grow better or something?

Additional costs to cool? It doesn't cost me anything extra to cool, aside from the extra length of ducting I bought at $10 to connect the exhaust fan I would need anyway (to get fresh air to the plants), and hook it up to my hood. In fact I only needed to do this for 600w HPS and above. 400w doesn't really need any extra cooling, aside from normal intake/exhaust which you need anyway. Anyhow, my fan only uses 60w, which is about 5% of my total power consumption for a small tent.

Not sure how you think the bulb is gonna last longer. CFLs are rated for 10,000 hours. HPS is rated for 24,000 to 40,000 hours depending on the specific lamp.

Oh, you are right about one thing -- you do need a hood and ballast. The hood and ballast for a standard 600w system is around $200, so there is some up front investment. However a god investment should last around 10 years. That investment only costs $20 a year. The total investment is $.33/watt. Look on craigslist, and you can get a setup for under $100. There is also investment in cfl however. You are going to need a clamp light or something of the sort, which will cost around $8 for every 55w cfl, plus random extension cords and stuff, not to mention the cfl itself. It's around $12 per cfl/light/cordset I'm guessing total. So your investment for the 3 cfls is prolly around $36 for 155 watts. That's $.23/watt for the investment. I guess you got me beat there. Congrats on saving $.10/w on the investment. Unfortunately you'll be blowing that savings real quick every month due to the low efficiency of cfl.

You can put a cfl wherever you want "without worry", but I don't have to, because I have one big light that covers all my plants with a strong sun-like intensity with a full light spectrum.

I think I just ended the argument.
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at 2 inches away a 23watt cfl is pushing 3,300 lumens if i set up 8 anywhere i want i'd blow an hps outta the water pushing 26,400 lumens on 184 watts and to get 100,000 lumens = 697 watts...not sure about larger wattage cfl haven't measured the lumens on them yet, but this is where you start again sir, and no i dont admit a glow like the sun but it would be cool...they are at my cousins and he has never done cfl so i didn't know he changed the setup, last i saw they were really close...gotta know the story first, and my foliage has more than doubled after one night
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The cfl is only 2 inches away at the point where its 2 inches away. Blow hps out of the water? Are you high dude?
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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robert030188 said:
For my one plant 12,000 lumens is sufficient and was cheapest cost
$36 for lights
$7 for socket and splitters

expecting about a QP from just one if i can get 1g per watt or close
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Will you be drying that QP down to an oz? Have you ever harvested a QP dry from a single plant cfl grow before? Pics? Do you own a light meter.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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robert030188 said:
at 2 inches away a 23watt cfl is pushing 3,300 lumens if i set up 8 anywhere i want i'd blow an hps outta the water pushing 26,400 lumens on 184 watts and to get 100,000 lumens = 697 watts...
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So obviously you don't own a light meter, but I do. So I decided to do a couple quick measurements. Guess what? At 2 inches a 23 watt CFL only measures just under 10,000 lux . Under a 200 watt metal halide lamp it measures just under 20,000 Lux at canopy level. The only way I could get a CFL to even come close to matching that is to have it almost directly touching the light meter sensor. By the way a 600 watt HPS lamp will produce 95,000 lumens so even if your measurements above are correct HPS will still beat you.
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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PJ Diaz said:
So obviously you don't own a light meter, but I do. So I decided to do a couple quick measurements. Guess what? At 2 inches a 23 watt CFL only measures just under 10,000 lux . Under a 200 watt metal halide lamp it measures just under 20,000 Lux at canopy level. The only way I could get a CFL to even come close to matching that is to have it almost directly touching the light meter sensor. By the way a 600 watt HPS lamp will produce 95,000 lumens so even if your measurements above are correct HPS will still beat you.
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can i solve your 2 guys whole argument? lumens are for humans. show me the p.a.r of those cfl's and i guarantee it doesn't come close to an hps. p.a.r is what plants use and all bulbs are being made now for p.a.r and not lumens.
 
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