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Veg and Bloom Grow

Cuebossa

Cuebossa

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at this point, 3 tsp per 5 gallon, I think they are doing great. I know they are going to start to bulk out now and good thing because I like them this size. So with 3 tsp per 5 gallon I could prolly fill around 30 5 gallon home depot buckets with nute solution and feed around 3kw with a lb, that's crazy cheap. I'm not gonna lie, I'm in love.

 
Cuebossa

Cuebossa

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Thanks Dalek! I've been running 3 tsp per 5 gallon this whole run without any flushing and things seem to stay really well nourished.

 
Cuebossa

Cuebossa

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get your hands on it. I am finishing up these babies in my second round and good lord do they smell! I'll get some pics up today or tomorrow
 
Cuebossa

Cuebossa

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finishing up yet another grow using Veg+Bloom in Roots soilless mix. The flowers are frosting up and the leaves fading as I have been feed at .25tsp per gallon for the last 10 days.



 
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sdgrower

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They look great cue!What day are those in?
I used 5 grams or 1 tsp per gallon until week 3 of flowering and then drop it down to 3 grams or 3 tsp per 5 gallon week 4. I am in week 5 now and they are rocking.
cheers!
 
Kite High

Kite High

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gonna compare this stuff to my Dynagro regimen...received the free sample as well...looks like good stuff
 
Cuebossa

Cuebossa

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Sdgrower that sounds like an excellent schedule. 1tsp per gallon produces lush thick growth but I started seeing claw around week 4 so good eye on reducing down to 3tsp per 5gallon around week 3-4. The last two I ran were at 3tsp per 5 gallon the whole run.
Kite High I have used Dyna and I must say Veg+Bloom produces a finer quality finished product. At 3 tsp per 5 gallon which is what I did on this last run a 1lb container will make 150 gallons of feed for $20.
 
Kite High

Kite High

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Cuebossa said:
Sdgrower that sounds like an excellent schedule. 1tsp per gallon produces lush thick growth but I started seeing claw around week 4 so good eye on reducing down to 3tsp per 5gallon around week 3-4. The last two I ran were at 3tsp per 5 gallon the whole run.
Kite High I have used Dyna and I must say Veg+Bloom produces a finer quality finished product. At 3 tsp per 5 gallon which is what I did on this last run a 1lb container will make 150 gallons of feed for $20.
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well it has a very tall mountain to opvercome as dyna has produced the finest smoke I have ever had
 
Kite High

Kite High

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Foliage Pro Protekt and Mag Pro...all three all the way through adjusting the FP and MP mls to the plants needs...no set thing as the plants tell me what they want...usually start out ot 0.6 ec to 1.2 ec in flower down to 0.6 ec end of flower in soilless minerally amended medium
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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Throw out everything you've been brainwashed to believe about nutes. This formula is right in the ball park. About 2 years ago I began studying a DIY nutrient thread and came across these words of wisdom:

There are mainly two types that are based on former and newer scientific results.




1. about 180 N versus 220 P, is the more recommended formula for a hot, tropical or not fully climate controlled and rather warm indoor climate (high light heat output).




2. 220 N versus 180K (could vary but for the sake of simplicity, I'll just reverse it, as it is damn close) for a cooler climate or if you prefer, growing conditions clearly under 20-25° C.



The actual need of Phosphorus is even much lower as commonly believed and in fact under 30 ppm. The sole purpose of higher P in any commercial formula is for better pH buffer and to differentiate various products in terms of making the need for different growing stage formulas credible. Up to 50 ppm and exceptionally 60 can be used to better buffer pH.


Above that level (or let's say 80), Phosphorus and Calcium antagonism (the more P the more likely) is inevitable. I agree with the earlier statement (don't remember who said so), as it confirms what I have posted here earlier - that the for grow/bloom stage, a higher nutrient concentration for bloom stage should be good enough. Slightly higher K content and still the same low P ratio for blooming could be modified and do no harm, but most chromatic analyses I've seen aren't even justifying this.




mj plants are actually capable of being selective in their nutrient uptakes if you get in the ball park of their needs without being deficient or going grossly over board in nitrogen or calcium. They are not high maintenance like old high school prom queens. Many people say they are weeds. I would not go so far to say that but I will say they are very resilient.




DTW VEG 2010

ppm
Nitrogen 360
Phosphorus 55
Potassium 300
Magnesium 50
Calcium 200
Sulfur 65
Iron 10.00
Manganese 5.00
Boron 5.00
Zinc 5.00
Copper 1.00

Ounces

Part A
Calcium Nitrate 13.2
Potassium Nitrate 4.0
Ammonium Nitrate 4.9
Iron Chelate 1.35

Part B
Potassium Nitrate 4.0
MonoPotassium Phosphate 3.5
Magnesium Sulfate 6.8
Manganese Sulfate .269
Boric Acid / Solubor .368
Zinc Sulfate .291
Copper Sulfate.059
Ammonium Molybdate .002

Volume of Stock Solutions 1
Dilution Rate 100
EC 2.23
TDS 1561
pH 5.7
Total Salt Weight 2926 mg/L

Ratios
N:K 1.2
Ca:N 0.6
K:P 5.5

DTW Bloom 2010

ppm
Nitrogen 400
Phosphorus 80
Potassium 430
Magnesium 50
Calcium 120
Sulfur 66
Iron 10.00
Manganese 5.00
Boron 5.00
Zinc 5.00
Copper 1.00
Molybdenum .09

Ounces

Part A
Calcium Nitrate 7.9
Potassium Nitrate 5.7
Ammonium Nitrate 7.8
Iron Chelate 1.35

Part B
Potassium Nitrate 5.7
MonoPotassium Phosphate 5.0
Magnesium Sulfate 6.8
Manganese Sulfate .269
Boric Acid / Solubor .368
Zinc Sulfate .291
Copper Sulfate .059
Ammonium Molybdate .002

Volume of Stock Solutions 1
Dilution Rate 100
EC 2.23
TDS 1561
pH 5.6
Total Salt Weight 3117 mg/L

Ratios
N:K 0.9
Ca:N 0.3
K:P 5.4

These are simple DTW Formulations using just standard fertilizer salts. The only thing that you need to watch for is the calcium content of the Calcium Nitarte used. These formulation were calculated for calcium Nitrate with 15.5% Nitrogen and 20% Calcium.

These are 100 X concentrations. This means by using 19 ml per gallon of each per each gallom of mixed nutes you will be able to prepare 200 gallons of nutes in the ppm strenth shown. Of course this is stronger than needed with most drain to waste systems. For an example with misted cyclic aero the TDS is 250 to 550 ppm during veg and 450 to 600 ppm during budding.

The pH will need to be raised by use of sodium silicate. The pH only needs to be adjusted once with DTW as it will not change while awaiting use.

The beneficial effects of silicon (Si) are threefold: 1) it protects against chewing insects, and 2) it protects against toxicity of metals, and 3) it lessens moldy mildew caused by high humidity at night during budding. I recommend adding silicon (at about 0.05 mM) to DWT nutrient solutions, both veg and bloom.

I typically use a minimum of 0.05mM (millimole) and adjust the pH up with moreif needed or down with phosphoric if needed.

A millimole is 0.001 millimole of pure Sodium Silicate. That is (122*0.0001) = 0.0122 grams. However, most sodium silicate is sold at 40% or 0.4 mole per liter. That means there is (122*0.4)= 49 grams per liter in the typical 40% strength sodium Silicate. (49/0.0122) = (1000/X) so, x= [(0.0122*1000)/49] = 0.248 ml per quart of nutrient water. There are 3.79 liters per gallon so (0.248*3.79) = 0.94 ml per gallon that is roughly one teaspoon per each 15 gallons of nutrient water as there are 15 ml to a teaspoon. That can raise the pH up to a full pH point. Therefore I suggest that you start by adding just 0.05 mM (1 teaspoon per 30 gallons).

Sodium Silicate Type N Grade Liquid 1 gal. - eBay (item 130342021432 end time Jul-02-10 07:55:52 PDT) A life time supply.

So I decided that when I finish off my Dutch Masters Gold Grow & Flower A/B/Add.27 to switch to DM ONE + DM Potash+. I ran out of Flower first and started using Grow only.


I have an RO system, which can save a lot of money on shipping liquid formulas. If I didn't have a full 5L jug of ONE I would get this product for my HPA + 21st Century Flood & Drain (link in signature). I took them out to do some house cleaning

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Cuebossa

Cuebossa

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Kite High, I have not tried that combination. What is a
  • soilless minerally amended medium?​


    ​

I can't wait to see how you succeed with Veg+Bloom. It is truly remarkable!


Petflora, very interesting read although I can't imagine applying all of that information in the little time I have for my garden :)
 
Kite High

Kite High

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Cuebossa said:
Kite High, I have not tried that combination. What is a
  • soilless minerally amended medium?​


    ​

I can't wait to see how you succeed with Veg+Bloom. It is truly remarkable!


Petflora, very interesting read although I can't imagine applying all of that information in the little time I have for my garden :)
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promix hp with azomite, dolomite, and diatomaceous earth as my medium
 
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