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Cuebossa

Cuebossa

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I looked back into my blog and noticed that I started my grow at .7 EC. I was then running about 1.3-1.4 through week 5 when I noted the need to flush. I am now on my second flush and will start to feed again at 1.4EC on my next watering. Looking good though and the oil production is great with the Ocean Forest!

 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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I bought a TDS meter and should have it in a couple days. Would you guys recommend a feed schedule for Veg + Bloom in soil with FoxFarm happy frog and ocean forest mix. I'm in a late veg scrog 5.2 gal air pots and without a meter have been using .375 tsp per gal.
 
Cuebossa

Cuebossa

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I don't know about Happy Frog, Maybe someone can chime in on how it is different from Ocean Forest. I started my clones out at .7 ec in the OF and started feeding 1.3-1.5 on the regular with occasional flushes. I do think I could have gone lighter now that I look back. The greeness of this girl has me thinking there is a lot of nitrogen hanging around in the OF.
 
stumpjumper

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Happy Frog is about half as hot as OF.. I mix 2 parts OF to one part HF, then I add a generous amount of perlite to the mix and from now on I will also be adding a handful of dolomite lime also.

I really don't see a need to start feeding until they are switched to flower, or if you veg longer than 4 weeks then start feeding at week 5. However there are some beneficials in the G+B that would help like the fulvics, and Silica etc..

Here's a pic of some plants at week 3 in this mix. They did get a weekly dose of aquarium water though. I'm not saying not to use V+B in the beginning, just be careful because OF is a hot mix in itself.
 

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stumpjumper said:
Happy Frog is about half as hot as OF.. I mix 2 parts OF to one part HF, then I add a generous amount of perlite to the mix and from now on I will also be adding a handful of dolomite lime also.

I really don't see a need to start feeding until they are switched to flower, or if you veg longer than 4 weeks then start feeding at week 5. However there are some beneficials in the G+B that would help like the fulvics, and Silica etc..

Here's a pic of some plants at week 3 in this mix. They did get a weekly dose of aquarium water though. I'm not saying not to use V+B in the beginning, just be careful because OF is a hot mix in itself.
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Nice green plants, no deficiencies at all from what i can tell :D
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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stumpjumper said:
Happy Frog is about half as hot as OF.. I mix 2 parts OF to one part HF, then I add a generous amount of perlite to the mix and from now on I will also be adding a handful of dolomite lime also.

I really don't see a need to start feeding until they are switched to flower, or if you veg longer than 4 weeks then start feeding at week 5. However there are some beneficials in the G+B that would help like the fulvics, and Silica etc..

Here's a pic of some plants at week 3 in this mix. They did get a weekly dose of aquarium water though. I'm not saying not to use V+B in the beginning, just be careful because OF is a hot mix in itself.
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This is the meter I got coming.
http://www.tdsmeter.com/products/tds4.html

I would have to check the date but I know they are over 6 weeks veg on a 2' x 4' scrog screen which is almost full.I was playing with different lamps and was running too much blue early on and slowed the growth a bit.I haven't taken any pics in about a week,I'll try to take some later.
 

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Cuebossa

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That looks great CM. The trick is to find the continous feed EC by strain/medium. The medium you are growing in has a huge impact on the EC you can or cannot feed your plant. I have flushed these for a couple of irrigations but will go back to 1.6 for the PROMIX and 1.2 for the Ocean Forest.


PromIx on left, Ocean Forest on right.
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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Cuebossa said:
That looks great CM. The trick is to find the continous feed EC by strain/medium. The medium you are growing in has a huge impact on the EC you can or cannot feed your plant. I have flushed these for a couple of irrigations but will go back to 1.6 for the PROMIX and 1.2 for the Ocean Forest.


PromIx on left, Ocean Forest on right.
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Yea,i'm playing it safe at 300 right now.Going to switch to flower in the next couple days and will bump it up after that.
 
Cuebossa

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I fed the PROMIX 1.8EC two days ago and the OF 1.4EC two days ago and I am seeing a nice burst of new growth going on week 6 of flower. I plan on doing a good flush tomorrow followed by a feeding with the previously mentioned EC

 
Cuebossa

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It really depends on what growing medium you are using and the genetics you have. Coco/peat mixes, 1.5EC every feed with a good flush weekly. Soil bases 1.0-.1.2EC every feed, flush weekly. This is what works with the strain I have been growing. I think the general rule is; the heavier the medium, the lighter the feed. The heavier the medium, the heavier the flush etc. I'll put some current pics up in a bit.
 
Rcb

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k, hmm well its 20 plants(kryptonite) in soil, Happy frog mixed with some Growstone Super soil Aerator(like perlite but better) so its a little light, and not hot at all, just wasnt sure about how to feed the V+B. Most of the time I F,w,w but I will try the every feed style, how are you flushing every week like a normal flush or are you just water? Im so excited about using this stuff i just hope i have enough to last all the way I got two sample jars. do you think I will need more?
 
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Lucius Vorenus

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Im about 3 weeks in with this stuff. Plants seem happy. Definitely still need a Cal Mag additive though.

I am feeding 350-400ppm in veg F,F, W

In Flower 600ppm (800 with additives) F, F, W
 
homebrewer

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Lucius Vorenus said:
Im about 3 weeks in with this stuff. Plants seem happy. Definitely still need a Cal Mag additive though.

I am feeding 350-400ppm in veg F,F, W

In Flower 600ppm (800 with additives) F, F, W
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18% calcium, 6% magnesium and you STILL need more calmag? There is no way.
 
Cuebossa

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I agree with Homebrewer. With as much Ca and Mg as guaranteed in the product it just isn't possible. You probably just need to raise your EC. At the right EC I haven't run a strain yet that hasn't been happy. Pictures to come this afternoon. WebRep


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Cuebossa

Cuebossa

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Rcb said:
k, hmm well its 20 plants(kryptonite) in soil, Happy frog mixed with some Growstone Super soil Aerator(like perlite but better) so its a little light, and not hot at all, just wasnt sure about how to feed the V+B. Most of the time I F,w,w but I will try the every feed style, how are you flushing every week like a normal flush or are you just water? Im so excited about using this stuff i just hope i have enough to last all the way I got two sample jars. do you think I will need more?
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Find the EC your strain is capable of digesting. Factors to be considered include light intensity, temperature, and growing medium. Start at 1.2EC and work your way up. Feed,feed,feed at 1.2EC. If no tip burn occurs at 1.2EC after 3 feedings, flush and run 1.6EC for three feedings if tip burn occurs then flush and feed at 1.4EC with every watering and flush with plain water every 10-14 days. Immediately after a flush re-irrigate with Veg+Bloom at 1.4EC. Keep it consistent and your plant will reach it's full potential. I have been experimenting with above peak EC feedings, such as 1.8 in the previous example, with a good flush before each feeding to rinse the roots. It seems to be working well.
 
homebrewer

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Lucius Vorenus said:
I can try to run higher PPM's i suppose but as of late ive become a bigger fan of less is more.
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What scale is your ppm meter on? If it's the .7 scale, your feeding levels look great. Maybe skip the 'water' day instead of increasing the amount of food. Also, make sure you're watering to the point of runoff. Salt buildup in the medium can cause all kinds of leaf discolorations.
 
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Lucius Vorenus

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homebrewer said:
What scale is your ppm meter on? If it's the .7 scale, your feeding levels look great. Maybe skip the 'water' day instead of increasing the amount of food. Also, make sure you're watering to the point of runoff. Salt buildup in the medium can cause all kinds of leaf discolorations.
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I actually do a zero runoff and have been for the past year. I don't really have any leaf discolorations, just a CalMag deficiency that very well could correct itself. I am only using this stuff a few weeks, we shall see. I did a couple of grows making sure i had a 10% runoff and to be honest, it's not necessary.
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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This is my first grow set up and I'm in the first week of flower with 4 plants after a 8 week veg.
2.5' x 4.5' x 6.5 Cabinet scrog
4 - 5.2 gal airpots with ocean forest, happy frog soil mix
4' - 8 lamp T5 light with 2 - flora suns, 2 - aqua suns, 2 - quantum 2900k, 2 - red suns
Veg + Bloom nutrients
I'm using a HM Digital TDS-4 meter that uses a .5 conversion.
I'm wondering if I should stick to the recommended feed schedule or bump it a bit,seems like others are using a bit more.
With my R/O water I get a reading of 400 @ .5 tsp per gal.
 
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