Budley Doright
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D you actually have the stats (worldwide) to prove that? My industry was never mandated, it was totally voluntary.
Vaccinated stay contagious longer than Unvaccinated
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CANON_Grow
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Your pal stated my tribe(pro facts crew) is pushing for more government control, so maybe explain how introducing facts is pushing for more government control? My view of your statements is based on you previously stating only 7 per million unvaxxed hospitalizations this past fall.
Still not getting it, eh? Why are you still only focusing on covid deaths? When hospitals get full, people die or suffer greater when they can't get the proper medical treatment.
cannabineer
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Wrong criterion. With that many human doses and very few significant adverse effect instances reported, experimental is used as a smear by the torches&pitchforks crowd.
Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination
Rare instances of adverse events following COVID-19 vaccinations have been reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.
www.cdc.gov
PJ Diaz
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I was speaking to US stats, and they are here: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/
PJ Diaz
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Please define "very few".Wrong criterion. With that many human doses and very few significant adverse effect instances reported, experimental is used as a smear by the torches&pitchforks crowd.
Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination
Rare instances of adverse events following COVID-19 vaccinations have been reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.
PJ Diaz
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Introducing facts is not the issue "my pal" was referring to. He was referring to inappropriate censorship of information.
Are you claiming that my numbers are incorrect?
I did also focus on hospitalizations, which you just acknowledged in this post of yours, referring to my previous stats of 7 hospitalizations per million.
PJ Diaz
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It's further interesting to note that only around one third of the us population is over 50. So, this one-third who is 90% effected are forcing 20 year olds, who are less than 1% effected to get a covid jab which has disproportionate negative side-effects on their age group (specifically myocarditis), compared to older people, just so they can do something like go to college. It just seems plain wrong to me.
You forgot "it's not a vaccine". Last winter friends told me the vaccine isn't a vaccine.So let’s review who’s pushing what:
“Made up virus”, nope it’s real.
“Vaccine causes many side effects”, no, it
may cause a very small number of side effects.
“Useless vaccine”, nope saved many lives.
“Goverment cover-up”, still not sure why
“No one dies from Covid”, ya the millions of dead people would disagree.
“Same as common cold”, for some sure.
“Vitamin D prevents Covid”, nope but certainly “may” be a big help. (I take it).
There are lots more, but seriously, when these things are discussed it’s hard to take the narrative seriously. Perhaps adding “possibly to a few of these statements might make it a bit more plausible. I get the concerns and think it’s a personal choice but the discussion should be based on fact and not feels.
They also said the news is all lies and you can't believe anything you hear. Of course they believed the bullshit they where hearing.
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cannabineer
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In appended link
PadawanWarrior
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CANON_Grow
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Budley Doright
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And as I’ve said that’s your prerogative.
PJ Diaz
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But see it isn't always that simple. Many people young people have had opportunities removed as part of policy.
PJ Diaz
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So, you can't quantify "very few" on your own? There are multiple stats in the link, based on age group and specific negative adverse effect. But ok, let's look at just one age group (12-24 year olds, so only a 12-year range, just a slice of life, a total population of around 50million), and specifically look at mypcarditis and pericarditis (from the CDC website). It appears that the cases
So doing some quick napkin math, we're looking at around 225/million times 50 = 11,250 cases of mypcarditis and pericarditis in that age group related to the vaccine. Meanwhile, we've only seen seen a few thousand total covid deaths in that same age group.
But they can't go to college unless they are willing to take the risk.
Budley Doright
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Wasn’t the vaccine and the ability to make choices voluntary? So if you decided the vaccine was not something you wanted to partake in, and knowing it would affect your admission, totally on you?
CANON_Grow
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And yet the American Heart Association disagrees with that. While myocarditis has been observed from certain vaccines, it is substantially lower than the risk of myocarditis for non-vaccinated individuals after infection of SARS-CoV2. I understand why it's a concern, but the data supports you are better protected from myocarditis being vaccinated unless you think you can avoid becoming infected with covid.
CANON_Grow
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COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines
The overall risk of myocarditis was higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than in the weeks after vaccination for the coronavirus, new research shows.
PJ Diaz
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And if the covid-jab prevented infection the way that Joe Biden promised, then that pretense might have some merit, but since it doesn't, young people are effectively doubling their risk by getting jabbed, plus the risk of myocarditis when they subsequently get infected with covid anyway.
PJ Diaz
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Is it though? Is my being coerced into taking a covid-jab so that I could further my education, "totally on me", or is it totally on the institutional administration who implemented such a mandate? I'm leaning towards the latter.
Budley Doright
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I guess we agree to disagree lol.