Vaccinated stay contagious longer than Unvaccinated

PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
I think the thing that steered me away was the short term "testing" on humans. Even the latest booster has not been tested on humans before being released... well, I guess some of you are being tested as we speak. But, who knows what's going to happen to your body with such little research or testing?... it took 15 years for them to dial in Polio, and fucked up alot of kids in the process. I just didn't want to be a lab rat.
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Don't forget about how RSV was also massively spread via the polio vaccine in the 1950's.
 
CANON_Grow

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PJ Diaz said:
It's so weird to me that a doctor would mock people for reading. It's such a strange world we live in these days.

When I did have to take my daughter to the hospital's ER related to a brain concussion, the biggest hold up was the fact that they wanted to give her multiple covid tests due to the fact that she had a neurogenic fever related to the head injury (she tested negative on the first one, and they decided that they wanted to do a second test to "really rule out covid"). We told the ER doc that she her issues were related to the concussion she had been diagnosed with by a different doctor, and we were scoffed at. The ER doc said that it "was highly unlikely" When my daughter's primary doctor came back from vacation a few days later, we got an additional diagnosis confirming the brain concussion. Honestly the only reason we even knew that the neurogenic fever was a thing before going to the ER was because we read up on it (aka, we did our own research). It was nice to have the primary care physician reassure us after the fact that we did exactly the correct thing, and that the ER doc handled it inappropriately.
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Are you confident that the majority of people understand what they are reading? Did the fact that the ER wanted to be absolutely certain it was not covid make you wonder that covid is not actually a nothing-burger? Why did you take her to the ER if you already knew more than the doctor?
 
PadawanWarrior

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I chose to get vaxed since I've abused the shit out of my lungs and am scared to die from not being able to breath, which is why I quit smoking cigs after 30 years when COVID started. My wife had no choice if she wanted it or not since she's a nurse. My daughter had to get one too since she likes to travel overseas all the time. My son's the only one here that's not vaxed and I'm glad he's not. He's still pure, lol.

Oh and when I bought my Iron Maiden tickets the rules were we all had to be vaxed. But by Sept. 17th they lifted the mask shit so nobody needed the masks or to be vaxed anymore to get in, :bigjoint:
 
CANON_Grow

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
I think the thing that steered me away was the short term "testing" on humans. Even the latest booster has not been tested on humans before being released... well, I guess some of you are being tested as we speak. But, who knows what's going to happen to your body with such little research or testing?... it took 15 years for them to dial in Polio, and fucked up alot of kids in the process. I just didn't want to be a lab rat.
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But you are, they'll be able to compare long term issues of vaxxed vs non, if there are any long term issues from covid in vaxxed vs non.
 
PJ Diaz

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CANON_Grow said:
Are you confident that the majority of people understand what they are reading? Did the fact that the ER wanted to be absolutely certain it was not covid make you wonder that covid is not actually a nothing-burger? Why did you take her to the ER if you already knew more than the doctor?
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I can't speak on the behalf of what other people comprehend, I can only speak for myself.

The fact that the ER gave her one covid test, which came out negative should been enough, especially with the background info which we provided.

We went to the ER because my daughter blacked out in my wife's arms right after telling her that she couldn't feel her heart, and then vomited on the floor. After the fire department arrived from the 911 call, and did the initial check, they suggested that we drive her to the ER instead of having an ambulance (which hadn't arrived yet) do it, as the ER is only 5-minutes from our house. We didn't think that the ER doctor would dismiss what our other doctor's diagnosis had been, but she did. In retrospect we should have gone to urgent care at a different facility which was in the same network as her PCP, but that would have been an additional 15-minute drive.
 
PJ Diaz

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PadawanWarrior said:
I chose to get vaxed since I've abused the shit out of my lungs and am scared to die from not being able to breath, which is why I quit smoking cigs after 30 years when COVID started. My wife had no choice if she wanted it or not since she's a nurse. My daughter had to get one too since she likes to travel overseas all the time. My son's the only one here that's not vaxed and I'm glad he's not. He's still pure, lol.

Oh and when I bought my Iron Maiden tickets the rules were we all had to be vaxed. But by Sept. 17th they lifted the mask shit so nobody needed the masks or to be vaxed anymore to get in, :bigjoint:
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My buddy who's a touring sound engineer for live bands didn't want to get the vax, but he was required to for the tour he was on, as they had two Canada dates. He reluctantly got the vax, and had a terrible reaction. The two Canada dates ended up getting cancelled. His brother also had a bad reaction which triggered shingles for him.
 
CANON_Grow

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PJ Diaz said:
I can't speak on the behalf of what other people comprehend, I can only speak for myself.

The fact that the ER gave her one covid test, which came out negative should been enough, especially with the background info which we provided.

We went to the ER because my daughter blacked out in my wife's arms right after telling her that she couldn't feel her heart, and then vomited on the floor. After the fire department arrived from the 911 call, and did the initial check, they suggested that we drive her to the ER instead of having an ambulance (which hadn't arrived yet) do it, as the ER is only 5-minutes from our house. We didn't think that the ER doctor would dismiss what our other doctor's diagnosis had been, but she did. In retrospect we should have gone to urgent care at a different facility which was in the same network as her PCP, but that would have been an additional 15-minute drive.
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So why do you find it weird that a doctor would mock people that took up all the hospitals resources because they "did their own research" if you can't speak to what other people can or cannot comprehend?
 
PJ Diaz

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CANON_Grow

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PJ Diaz said:
My buddy who's a touring sound engineer for live bands didn't want to get the vax, but he was required to for the tour he was on, as they had two Canada dates. He reluctantly got the vax, and had a terrible reaction. The two Canada dates ended up getting cancelled. His brother also had a bad reaction which triggered shingles for him.
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I don't know anyone that had anything other than the same minor symptoms you would get with the any other vaccine, sore arm, feel like a cold is just starting for half a day. I knew one person that died from covid, and five people that were in the hospital from covid, none of them were vaccinated.
 
PJ Diaz

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CANON_Grow said:
I don't know anyone that had anything other than the same minor symptoms you would get with the any other vaccine, sore arm, feel like a cold is just starting for half a day. I knew one person that died from covid, and five people that were in the hospital from covid, none of them were vaccinated.
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No one who I know that is unvaccinated and got covid had to go to a hospital. I do know multiple people who had bad reactions to the shot, which were much more distressing than the symptoms you described.
 
CANON_Grow

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PJ Diaz said:
Because that statement is anecdotal at best, and in many cases when it's been made, had been proven to be non-factual. Here's an example of that:

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Yeah, the doctor wasn't saying invermectin was the issue, the issue was hospital resources were all being used by covid cases, and all of the ICU beds at that time were people that were not vaccinated.

PJ Diaz said:
No one who I know that is unvaccinated and got covid had to go to a hospital. I do know multiple people who had bad reactions to the shot, which were much more distressing than the symptoms you described.
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And yet hospitals couldn't deal with the surge from covid, whether you know the people or not.
 
PJ Diaz

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CANON_Grow said:
Yeah, the doctor wasn't saying invermectin was the issue, the issue was hospital resources were all being used by covid cases, and all of the ICU beds at that time were people that were not vaccinated.


And yet hospitals couldn't deal with the surge from covid, whether you know the people or not.
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We didn't have that issue in my community at all. In fact in California this fall, only 7 unvaccinated people per million are hospitalized for covid, according to official numbers.
 
Antidote Man

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people have problems with people who don't want the vaccine because they believe the more people that are vaccinated the less the virus will spread. whether or not this is true i think is debatable. people are worried about themselves, not others. why this should be anything new puzzles me.

i got either 3 or 4 shots, cant remember. The second to last one fucked me up a little the next day, all the rest were fine and I've not gotten it or not that i know of. i'm also somewhat dirty in my connection with common places i put my fingers in public, i try to use the antibacterial now but sometimes forget. I just sneezed.
 
DoubleAtotheRON

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5 deaths in Oklahoma labeled to Covid since June. 3.25M population. There were prob 5 deaths just today due to overdoses. 5 to car crashes, or other things. Since this whole thing started, it's baffled me why we haven't been outraged over the Flu deaths for the past few decades... maybe it just became the norm... kinda like this will.
 
CANON_Grow

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State dashboard, I see where you got 7 per million from, also states 3.2 per million for vaccinated, a little further down that page shows the table below.
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CANON_Grow

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Well hopefully one day there will be a vaccine to prevent deaths from heart disease and/or cancer. But until then, maybe think about helping people with heart disease and cancer by trying to prevent hospital capacity issues due to covid.
 
CANON_Grow

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
5 deaths in Oklahoma labeled to Covid since June. 3.25M population. There were prob 5 deaths just today due to overdoses. 5 to car crashes, or other things. Since this whole thing started, it's baffled me why we haven't been outraged over the Flu deaths for the past few decades... maybe it just became the norm... kinda like this will.
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Curious where you get that info from? 5 a day maybe, see below for Oklahoma.
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DoubleAtotheRON

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CANON_Grow said:
Well hopefully one day there will be a vaccine to prevent deaths from heart disease and/or cancer. But until then, maybe think about helping people with heart disease and cancer by trying to prevent hospital capacity issues due to covid.
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The peak is over. It's all hype. No hospitals are full of Covid patients anymore. As far as preventing heart disease and cancer... put down that Big Mac and eat a salad and come skinless grilled chicken..it's all preventable, we just need to quit eating garbage.
 
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