used hardwater 1Kppm+. got harder fruit...why?

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Chronicly ill

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generally use good water at 50ppm or less but for goofs used some very hard water. 1000ppm to 1700ppm. used same nutes in both with exception of no cal-mag in hard water. the hard stuff yielded some very hard stuff in a side x side. the usual is light n not too solid, the experiment made a slightly shorter, much much more solid fruit. so tried it again with more calmag in reg h2o. seeing same result but noticing more compact branching in hard test subjects. about 1-1.5 inches tighter/closer...any ideas why? whats in that water that isnt in or is lacking in full line of flora trio?
 
M.O.

M.O.

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I’ll be reading along. I’m on a hard groundwater well and was just explaining in another thread how I’ve had real troubles with it. Indoor and outdoor even.

I know people who have wells in the state here that don’t murder plants so I think I’m just unlucky. Maybe it’s not the ppms though like I was thinking and something else. Once filtered the water is excellent so I’m at a loss.

I use rainwater indoor and out and then RO (indoor) if that runs out but would love to just use my well.
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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M.O. said:
I’ll be reading along. I’m on a hard groundwater well and was just explaining in another thread how I’ve had real troubles with it. Indoor and outdoor even.

I know people who have wells in the state here that don’t murder plants so I think I’m just unlucky. Maybe it’s not the ppms though like I was thinking and something else. Once filtered the water is excellent so I’m at a loss.

I use rainwater indoor and out and then RO (indoor) if that runs out but would love to just use my well.
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Read about slow sand filters and how to build them with a food grade plastic barrel and materials from Lowe's. Depending on water use might require a couple. But cheap and extremely effective.
 
M.O.

M.O.

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hotrodharley said:
Read about slow sand filters and how to build them with a food grade plastic barrel and materials from Lowe's. Depending on water use might require a couple. But cheap and extremely effective.
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I like the idea!

With all we do already to filter I’m trying not to spend much more on it. My well water ruins clothes, and was ruining pipes and all that. Nice softener and filters fixed that while RO is my drinking/cooking. Like you said - probably don’t wanna drink it and your right. They test every well and it’s on record somewhere. Arsenic is present in them all. Levels rise and fall throughout the year so you never really know how much is in there. Some Michigan wells have actually poisoned people in other parts of the state.

Also rain barrels ftw. I have 200 gallons all spring summer and can store a lot inside too for a while but not enough for all winter.
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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M.O. said:
I like the idea!

With all we do already to filter I’m trying not to spend much more on it. My well water ruins clothes, and was ruining pipes and all that. Nice softener and filters fixed that while RO is my drinking/cooking. Like you said - probably don’t wanna drink it and your right. They test every well and it’s on record somewhere. Arsenic is present in them all. Levels rise and fall throughout the year so you never really know how much is in there. Some Michigan wells have actually poisoned people in other parts of the state.

Also rain barrels ftw. I have 200 gallons all spring summer and can store a lot inside too for a while but not enough for all winter.
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I used to have 3 in New Mexico where this well pumped something resembling water. Even weeds weren't happy with it. Had 2 going at any one time. When one started getting slower than slow it got torn down and rebuilt. The water was totally drinkable. There's a very long history with slow sand.

"1892 A cholera epidemic strikes Hamburg, Germany, while its neighboring city, Altona, which treats its water using slow sand filtration, escapes the epidemic. Since that time, the value of granular media filtration has been widely recognized."

This is particularly remarkable since both cities drew their water from the same river.
 
M.O.

M.O.

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@hotrodharley So you’ve had a hard well murder plants? Thank the universe lol. I was sure after testing so much but also worrying that I’ve never seen anyone talk about it.
Also thanks for mentioning the slow sand I’m going to figure that out.

To keep things on track, @Chronicly ill I’m super jealous of your amazing well. You tapped into the bud nectar so don’t question too too hard and live it up. Grow everything you can and have space for.
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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M.O. said:
@hotrodharley So you’ve had a hard well murder plants? Thank the universe lol. I was sure after testing so much but also worrying that I’ve never seen anyone talk about it.
Also thanks for mentioning the slow sand I’m going to figure that out.

To keep things on track, @Chronicly ill I’m super jealous of your amazing well. You tapped into the bud nectar so don’t question too too hard and live it up. Grow everything you can and have space for.
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My present landlord's well will not bloom bread yeast. That's the second time I have ever experienced this. The well in New Mexico the first.
 
CatHedral

CatHedral

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Chronicly ill said:
generally use good water at 50ppm or less but for goofs used some very hard water. 1000ppm to 1700ppm. used same nutes in both with exception of no cal-mag in hard water. the hard stuff yielded some very hard stuff in a side x side. the usual is light n not too solid, the experiment made a slightly shorter, much much more solid fruit. so tried it again with more calmag in reg h2o. seeing same result but noticing more compact branching in hard test subjects. about 1-1.5 inches tighter/closer...any ideas why? whats in that water that isnt in or is lacking in full line of flora trio?
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Calcification.
 
M.O.

M.O.

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hotrodharley said:
My present landlord's well will not bloom bread yeast. That's the second time I have ever experienced this. The well in New Mexico the first.
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That’s nuts. I make my own breads too and have even more ego about it than my weed!
I honestly thought moving to the country and well water was gonna be like having a my own Fijian aquifer. Fucking burnt everything for a while like what is happening??? My neighbors all told me it’s the soil but I’ve been composting for years now and blow their minds with huge veggie plants every year. It’s the wells here. Water with saved rain and eureka!
 
M.O.

M.O.

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CatHedral said:
Calcification.
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Agreed. Since Chronicaly ill’s water is balanced somehow even though high ppm it’s like the plants can get all the calcium they want. Pow. Fat buds. I see it in action running nectar line. Bone meal flush is like turning on a pump.
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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M.O. said:
That’s nuts. I make my own breads too and have even more ego about it than my weed!
I honestly thought moving to the country and well water was gonna be like having a my own Fijian aquifer. Fucking burnt everything for a while like what is happening??? My neighbors all told me it’s the soil but I’ve been composting for years now and blow their minds with huge veggie plants every year. It’s the wells here. Water with saved rain and eureka!
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Shallow wells are often contaminated with everything from runoff fertilizer to jet fuel to god only knows what. When I was young and dinosaurs roamed the earth we'd take used oil dump it. Every farm had a brownfield patch. Tractors leaking hydraulic fluid. Oil. Gear lube. We washed parts in kerosene and of course dumped that too. You get the picture.

Now you go down 400 feet and your chances of sweet water increase greatly. Most shallow wells are good for sheep and gardens in many areas.

Have it analyzed. Shouldn't cost much.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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M.O. said:
Agreed. Since Chronicaly ill’s water is balanced somehow even though high ppm it’s like the plants can get all the calcium they want. Pow. Fat buds. I see it in action running nectar line. Bone meal flush is like turning on a pump.
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My response to turning on a pump is perhaps not family friendly.
 
M.O.

M.O.

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hotrodharley said:
Now you go down 400 feet and your chances of sweet water increase greatly. Most shallow wells are good for sheep and gardens in many areas.

Have it analyzed. Shouldn't cost much.
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I’m with ya. It was analyzed when we moved in for drinking quality. I should annually. I just assume it’s ever changing and we’re maybe 1/4 mile from a small lake which could easily add chemicals to the supply from time to time. I really like the sand filter idea and will try it once I read you on how to make and maintain it. If I rebuilt an air filter I should be able build a water filter too.
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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M.O. said:
I’m with ya. It was analyzed when we moved in for drinking quality. I should annually. I just assume it’s ever changing and we’re maybe 1/4 mile from a small lake which could easily add chemicals to the supply from time to time. I really like the sand filter idea and will try it once I read you on how to make and maintain it. If I rebuilt an air filter I should be able build a water filter too.
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Look for old pickle barrels. Easily cleaned. They have a removable top and a snap ring that locks the lid down. Ask a food distributor which businesses buy barrels of pickles.
 
M.O.

M.O.

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hotrodharley said:
Look for old pickle barrels. Easily cleaned. They have a removable top and a snap ring that locks the lid down. Ask a food distributor which businesses buy barrels of pickles.
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I’ve heard of this being an easy way to source a good container. Rain barrels even at Menards aren’t exactly cheap.
Hey just incase it was suspect, my mention of said nute line isn’t an endorsement just the only one I have experience with. Honestly using a line of anything makes me feel a bit noob but I’ve only been able to kick ass outdoors with organic style. Inside I bloomed bugs and failure lmao.
 
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