Upgrading LED Lights

Lol see a 150w light can warm up a whole room. I turn it on just to make sure it dont get too cold at night since most my gardens off. Well it sure does get hot to the touch on the driver so the fan really was keeping it ice cool.

This spring/fall is going to be hot as hell. Im thinking run them all on 50% and the 3/3 25%. The dehuey wasnt heating my room enough to stay from frosting up. The lights add an unbelievable amount of heat to a room. The dehuey just adds to it and makes it worse.

Il just deal with it either like that and/or just blowing air into room open door with pedestal fan. Or its minisplit time.

Check out these leds. Very foreign. No driver. Its super bright. Another BAB. Just for veg. The freakin hanger style is bonkers. No option for anything but the hanger it came with. I screwed the mechanism apart 3 little bbs came out.

How I managed to find them all and put it back together, holy cow. Then I guess they must of threw in the caps that control the angle of light because I noticed they didnt have it screwed into the hanger.

I looked everywhere and managed to find the two tiny caps that screw and hold light in place on a wire. Very weird and fustrating but besides that its good. 130$ 250w for 3x3. Their ppfd map looks ok. Just veg light on 25%. The light hanger is sturdy just weird.

I was just trying to figure out how the hell the hanger worked lol and took it apart by mistake. One mech for the height you push it and let it go to lock in place. Bbs and spring on a wire in a little casing. Then it has something similar but for the angle of light, just a casing and wire going through a hole and a small cap with screw locks it in place.

Its a female cap at the ends where meets the light, screws right on to male thread. No loop for alternatives. Just weird man, I didnt know about the caps missing on the floor somewhere. Until the light just swayed on its side. I was like what the hell.

medidedicated said:

Check out these leds. Very foreign. No driver. Its super bright. Another BAB. Just for veg. The freakin hanger style is bonkers. No option for anything but the hanger it came with. I screwed the mechanism apart 3 little bbs came out.

How I managed to find them all and put it back together, holy cow. Then I guess they must of threw in the caps that control the angle of light because I noticed they didnt have it screwed into the hanger.

I looked everywhere and managed to find the two tiny caps that screw and hold light in place on a wire. Very weird and fustrating but besides that its good. 130$ 250w for 3x3. Their ppfd map looks ok. Just veg light on 25%. The light hanger is sturdy just weird.

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How's that box fan above light work out for you?....I've considered this a few times.

Amazing, I grew 5 plants with box fan in general it works. Being above light is just better if the bars line up nicely to the 20”x20” box fan. Plants can be big but shallow. When wind comes from the side it irritates plants a little in the leafs and the leafs can mess up buds by rubbing them.

From above it just doesnt stress them as bad. At least thats what I feel, the plants with fan beside have this messed up burning look on some leafs. Leafs rubbing buds can happen but its minimal and more related to needing to pluck or tuck that leaf.

With two plants it will be hard to get the right coverage if they vary in height and etc from beside. From above can adapt to each plant. I found the close light is to fan the easier it can blow through it.

The vortex coming out of it isnt like youd expect. Its a circle around the fan that expands, positioning is key to get that wall to wall coverage. It even sucks air through the fan from the front of it around the edges. These things move air like crazy so pm just cant germinate.

The 2.5x5 is smaller but my 3x3 was pretty well covered too. Its not always the turbulant air but the passive air and etc being moved around so aggressively as a result that also helps. Then the low rh of 30-40% is for preventing budrot but maybe helps with pm too.

I havent seen pm in veg tent ever, that was my flower room but the 60rh has been fine there with a box fan. I Cant really control it year round there but who knows, I asked many times what rh for pm ipm should be. Only one person said low as possible.

I grew fat colas easily could of molded as it had gutattion all inside the buds. Last run with low rh and box fans seem to of dehydrated it. The chunky colas just had this super dry impression so thought I was on to something.

Anyway I will say this will throw a curve ball in your watering routene. I feed 12x a day dtw coco or else I get a dying plant. If in soil Id think its hell. Maybe the trash bags tied around the drainaway trays over the pots might slow down dryback a bit but ya.

Heres my run now. Highest rh is 43% right before lights out. My last success of 6oz the rh never passed 40rh. The 3/3 vs the 2.5x5 geometry nust funny like that, the 3/3 plant has more to its self but Im struggling with my 2.5x5. Got two 380w dehueys on 24/7 atm.

I feed every 9hrs dtw coco half gallon of coco in veg room at 45-65rh with the box fan in there vs every 12hrs. It adds to the dry back. But yea the run where I got mold it was so moist in the colas. With spread apart nugs I was at 60rh just fine but didnt get pm yet.

So Im still learning my setup but as you can see they look improved from last run in size and health. Not miss a beat so far.

Rest of garden with BAB setup. Spent a grand just to have it like that and well worth it. Pics show more than I can explain I hope that made sense. I couldnt find a good overall view of how it used to be in one pic. Ease of use, bigger yield and say bye to PM. Say bye to budrot too if rh stays below 45 preferably below 40%.

medidedicated said:

I feed every 9hrs dtw coco half gallon of coco in veg room at 45-65rh with the box fan in there vs every 12hrs. It adds to the dry back. But yea the run where I got mold it was so moist in the colas. With spread apart nugs I was at 60rh just fine but didnt get pm yet.

So Im still learning my setup but as you can see they look improved from last run in size and health. Not miss a beat so far.

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I had a bout with pm too...not fun! The shit can grow in low humidity also....I finally seem to have gotten past it with silica supplements in veg. I'm going to mount a box fan up top of my 4x4's when they empty and see how it goes.

It needs bar lights though, I tried between two ts1000 board lights and no bueno. It did better hanging from beside just all hooks on the pole that makes up the outer top frame so no need for extra poles.

Id say I think I got immediate results by tossing all infected plants. Even if its just one leaf. A uninfected plant performs different. Same with budrot but thats systemic.

Just air circulation makes a huge difference. I doubted this would work but it did.

Id say 3x3 is the best it can cover so idk about 4x4 I think Id hang two of them in opposing directions from the side. Idk about doing box fam above ligjts in 4x4 the edges wont have much flow is what I meant to say.

medidedicated said:

This spring/fall is going to be hot as hell. Im thinking run them all on 50% and the 3/3 25%. The dehuey wasnt heating my room enough to stay from frosting up. The lights add an unbelievable amount of heat to a room. The dehuey just adds to it and makes it worse.

Il just deal with it either like that and/or just blowing air into room open door with pedestal fan. Or its minisplit time.

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I can help you with solutions for both too cold and too warm.

Once the particular needs of your situation are taken into account, it all depends on how much you're willing to spend up front vs on an ongoing basis for power.

ttystikk said:

I can help you with solutions for both too cold and too warm.

Once the particular needs of your situation are taken into account, it all depends on how much you're willing to spend up front vs on an ongoing basis for power.

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How would you go about it? Basement too cold 1500w space heater wouldnt raise it a lick of a degree. Flower room upstairs as described. I think Il be alright but open to advice.

medidedicated said:

How would you go about it? Basement too cold 1500w space heater wouldnt raise it a lick of a degree. Flower room upstairs as described. I think Il be alright but open to advice.

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Okay I didn't read the whole thread so I am likely missing some parameters.

What's your total Watts? In each space? Goals?

In summer, put as much of your grow as you can in your basement. It always helps. If you have to choose, put the bloom in the basement; the veg can handle the heat better.

If you are growing at any kind of scale, the options I can offer grow exponentially.

ttystikk said:

Okay I didn't read the whole thread so I am likely missing some parameters.

What's your total Watts? In each space? Goals?

In summer, put as much of your grow as you can in your basement. It always helps. If you have to choose, put the bloom in the basement; the veg can handle the heat better.

If you are growing at any kind of scale, the options I can offer grow exponentially.

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I should of rephrased a bit. I have issues that I solved but they throw curve balls. So if I heat my veg area I may lose the ability to hold a 25gal reservoir dtw coco. Its a legit issue with my biome etc I solved by just swapping 5 gal buckets with new solution but same pump and lid.

Its gone in 24hrs each bucket each plant. So no chance of rot its as clean as can be. I will have 6 plants max so 6 buckets refilled every morning. Its tedious but for 32oz Im game.

So I think Il leave the veg area be so I can at least have that last a week before refilling. Also grows slower clones which can help as idk about you but I never have a smooth lineup. Chopping early is common.

I tried exausting outside and may try that again but it will warm up house. Maybe ok if its mild outside since thats the problem. Flower room will get too hot is still an issue but might get by but may lose terps. Terps are crucial for good rosin.

Maybe turn the fan on in the hvac system? Maybe dim lights to 50%. I already have the curcuit fully used 80% of 15amps. Only thing not grow related is tv and console I run a lead for since its temperary.

So if I get a minisplit it needs its own circuit or plugged in in like one room downstairs that doesnt have a lot plugged in. I already perpetuate light schedules for the amps but could use to my advantage. I do 9/15 at that.

My grow is pretty symmetrical. 3 tents on during day 450w max brightness and same with 3 more tents during the night. 3 plants each side. Two 380w dehueys on 24/7 if a tent or two is too packed otherwise 1 dehuey placed well.

Well idk, the cluttery room of tents had humid spots would be ok if tents not over packed but damn. Just realized my 2.5x5s are small, I want 3x3 or 3x6 or 6x6. Hard to answer without typing too much Im a bit a wild card. But my grow is lol.

Small room is easier to control and I live with people so I have to get what ever I can take. It has its perks I can go on about like bath tub faucet near by that makes filling water quick/easy. If 1500w heater cant raise temps in basement a single lick, I think rh will suffer.

Goals are 25 to 30oz per 10 wks perpetual to all flower rosin its my thing. 125 to 150gs flower rosin dab 40gs save 80 to 100 gs and maybe just grow only during the right seasons probably winter. Look for new gems just keep my equipment and self active.

Well not 6 tents, 4 tents in flower room. 3x3 and 2.5x5 one side and 2.5x2.5 and 2.5x5 the other. 1 plant in those and two in the 2.5x5. Its symmetrical. The 2.5x2.5 is for bean hunting no perpetual so its not going to always be on.

If Im not looking for new beans I could flower one clone non perpetual in it though. 12 plant limit and I have to follow it. Box fans are 40w at 2/3 setting they add up. Thats pretty much everything. 5x3 perpetual veg tent and 3x3 mother plant. Its low wattage down there.

medidedicated said:

Well not 6 tents, 4 tents in flower room. 3x3 and 2.5x5 one side and 2.5x2.5 and 2.5x5 the other. 1 plant in those and two in the 2.5x5. Its symmetrical. The 2.5x2.5 is for bean hunting no perpetual so its not going to always be on.

If Im not looking for new beans I could flower one clone non perpetual in it though. 12 plant limit and I have to follow it. Box fans are 40w at 2/3 setting they add up. Thats pretty much everything. 5x3 perpetual veg tent and 3x3 mother plant. Its low wattage down there.

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Yikes I'm even more confused now lol

So you don't own your house? You have housemates? You have one room upstairs and another downstairs and between them that's your whole grow? And 12 plants?? I'm totally lost lol

How permanent is your situation?

I'm just trying to wrap my head around the parameters.

If you'd rather discuss this in PM, feel free.

Yea pretty much. 100sq ft room that I sleep in with a tv thats it. Garden and chill. A couple tents in basement but its like 300sq ft with a door open for pets which has another 300 sq ft so its like controlling 600sq ft space.

Or worry about the door being left open constantly. I already had to when drying in bathroom but took it down I dry in same tent I flower it in now or whatever works. That and people using the bathroom lately unlike before.

So I remember using a humidifier to raise rh in basement to dry my first grow. It barely could get from 45rh to 55. If it runs out of water its right back to 45. Dry winters and humid summers.

Its weird because outside is humid all year usually and it is right now. So idk but figure the dehueys would struggle and if no active defrost I need to heat the basement. Thats fine as winter its ok as is.

I cant fit my 3x3, two 2.5x5’s and a 2.5x2.5 from flower room to basement. Only space for what I have and it pretty much takes up the rest of space. We should be here for a while but anything can change. Maybe 10 more yrs idk.

So I wouldnt add much more than climate control. Things like a stand by generator is a dream to have but idk if Il get the money back. We live with owner so I can ask to do what I need but its only so much I can. I high key turned most the place into a grow lol.

I get them comfortable little by little but something like a minisplit is a lot. I think Il have the tents down for that. Idk about having ducts running out in the open from one room to another drilling more holes. I already have 6”holes in the door and regret it. Exausting outside wasnt good for the home.

medidedicated said:

Yea pretty much. 100sq ft room that I sleep in with a tv thats it. Garden and chill. A couple tents in basement but its like 300sq ft with a door open for pets which has another 300 sq ft so its like controlling 600sq ft space.

Or worry about the door being left open constantly. I already had to when drying in bathroom but took it down I dry in same tent I flower it in now or whatever works. That and people using the bathroom lately unlike before.

So I remember using a humidifier to raise rh in basement to dry my first grow. It barely could get from 45rh to 55. If it runs out of water its right back to 45. Dry winters and humid summers.

Its weird because outside is humid all year usually and it is right now. So idk but figure the dehueys would struggle and if no active defrost I need to heat the basement. Thats fine as winter its ok as is.

I cant fit my 3x3, two 2.5x5’s and a 2.5x2.5 from flower room to basement. Only space for what I have and it pretty much takes up the rest of space. We should be here for a while but anything can change. Maybe 10 more yrs idk.

So I wouldnt add much more than climate control. Things like a stand by generator is a dream to have but idk if Il get the money back. We live with owner so I can ask to do what I need but its only so much I can. I high key turned most the place into a grow lol.

I get them comfortable little by little but something like a minisplit is a lot. I think Il have the tents down for that. Idk about having ducts running out in the open from one room to another drilling more holes. I already have 6”holes in the door and regret it. Exausting outside wasnt good for the home.

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A mini split is a good solution because only small holes are needed for the refrigerant lines.