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medidedicated said:

Going great zero mold found, almost 14 days from chop on my 3x3 Though some dry back issues have it looking rough. Chopping regardless at 9 full weeks as Im hash only. Seems to of just needed a box fan and smaller plants with low humidity like they always say. I was so stubborn trying to prove those werent important.

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Hash only ..? Then wouldn't you want to have more ripened trichomes? Are you making bubble or are you dry sieve? To get the best grades of hash you need the swollen heads of the trichome only. The longer you wait, more trichomes will ripen giving you a better quality hash .....? Otherwise it's mostly just filler (stalks and broken smaller trichomes).
None of those plant even look near ready imo.

You also got what looks like a major pH problem. That necrosis can lead to your bud rot and mold problems especially because the plants are majorly stressed and focusing most of their energy for flowering and they are unable to uptake the nutrients they need.
Personally I think you need to really evaluate your grow practices and figure out why that's happening. That's not a dig or jab or anything at all we've all been there. Just trying to help

The 3x3 is the only one I said would chop week 9 its in bad health. The mini leafs it grew to compensate the constant defolling to PM fears, are green still though. I tried to make it as small as possible but its suddenly leaning indica last couple runs. I might have a replacement strain that grows nice and lanky.

I grew 13 clones of this pheno and just know it well. Im not a good grower I try to make that clear as I give shotty advice lol. Through those runs Ive had lanky growth that the clones under aftermarket lights didnt get bud rot. They didnt yield any less hash being very rinky dink flowers.

I never hand trimmed those so I cant say those still did 20% flower rosin because I didnt know yet my bud trimmer was stealing it. I did get 20% off 2 mini clones an oz each of those 13 clones thats what made me realize hand trimming does that. Also creates flower rosin thats better quality I cant express that enough.

I seem to got 20% hand trimmed under a full aize plant under mars hydro ts1000 with much nicer flowers. My first grow from seed, a hand trimmed sample did 20% but then was talked into using bud trimmers and that same plant did 12% suddenly. Its much rougher lacks terps its like clay but butters into butter later.

The hand trim just squirts out literally and collects like water its got that much terps. Flavor is just unlike anything its reminisant of live resin which I dabbed first for a long time. Its like colorado around me in terms of quality. Maybe Im just simple but I made dry sift with it and quality and yield wasnt the same each time but even my best was about as fine as the hand trim flower rosin.

Before I lose ya lemme get to point. I can almost guarentee 20% with any lighting, if its at least 6-8 wks flower it will yield 20% as I tried it again recently with weed that had spores. Was just trying to verify my findings asap and it was 20% at like week 7 flower. I did it 3 times and told you about all 3. Damn me for not seeing if those lanky sativa expressions where still 20% but let me say this.

If it performed 12% the whole time with the variable of machine trimming, the larfs, everything added up to 12%. Ive been close to dialing her in heres how it looked attempting to grow 5 more clones of her. I just recently literally had it all click and am trying to dial her in with basically an all new setup dtw coco.

I may never get them perfect but should be good enough to get me my little hash stash. I know chopping early can make a short lived high but not with this strain or another or yet another. I know this one specifically really well its why if it makes me happy I should run mostly that. Tell ya a little about my lady lol.

If these molding because I cant grow them healthy enough then I quit lol. I grew enough to know thats not true though but love to hear from yall I try my best to listen. It got bone dry its fabric pots low rh box fans and didnt believe it needed 8x a day feed until too late. Needs lower ec too because of that. I like dtw coco just boils down to that.

Not that it cannot get more complicated than that as it totally can and in anywhere else in growing.

It took me 3 runs to get her significantly improved so it may take a few more to get this right. Its ph is 5.8 to 6.2 if that, its always about 6. It probably drifts like it should. I literally didnt dial in the dryback till it looked basically like it does now, so a week later is improvement. I really know this pheno its taught me a lot.

Im always open for advice, Im stubborn but I try.

Like how can I do anything about ph if its always in range when I check. Its a 5 gal bucket I make new solution almost daily its as clean as can be with clorox. Idk why its just always in range with my ec dose though I made note you said it can drift so I started checking it again.

With a new ec I may need to adjust it but maybe just reducing to 1.7ec to 1.4ec with .5ec being tap. Or it will be acidic enough after maxi bloom still and yea thats my whole setup there. 2.5ml 7.5% chlorene clorox. Due to my tap high in calcium.

Forgot to say Ive had it at 100% red hairs 5 of 13 clones and the rest where so/so. They were grown wild I had people warning me about mold for that but also quality. So I started lollipopping real good and my last attempt it just grew so damn chunky with no circulation and 50rh not bad but the no circulation probably killed it.

The colas and leaves had dew spots all over them. That wasnt I think the issue why they suddenly wont finish week 10 but gnat infestation. Over watering but even when I went 4x a day rh 50 no air circulation just exaust fan 6” on max.. Rotten roots from probably gnats pythium.

Sudden cola death that on one clone was just one spot but looking like more coming. They didnt after a week or two but just thought somethings weong try again. Its just hash. Im not light weight but some strains do me good but really all dabbables get me high unless you chopped it week 3 flower lol.

But that side of garden of 3 clones that one I told you about did that but the rest where alright. Noticably brown roots but whiter like not as advanced rot. The rest of my garden of 2 clones bigger tent which the last mentioned side now mimicks but added a 3/3 now, well one plant half of it died.

The clone next to that mind you all same pheno was ok with noticably whiter roots reflecting that. The toasted plant was oof stinky mushy brown and loades with gnats. Plastic floraflex 1 gal pots so I switched to 1 fal fabric double layered with pantyhose by turning it inside out. Tied off.

Someof them work some of them need improvement but noticably better when doing from the start of planting clone. The plastic pots were always rootbound. Now fabric 8x a day or its bone dry almost, when lifting plant before and after feeding its clear. Now its wet to the touch still before watering but another hour later it will be too dry.

Same thing happening in veg and in plastic pots in veg tent with box fan on them though if not to feed 3x a day. Was gonna say thats a thinker but I wasnt flowering like that so makes sense. It was a stale stagnant enviorment.

Crap thats all over the place its just a lot to convey. In fact dont bother reading that just read my journal because it has everything in better detail. My journal just look it up its medidedicated all caps. Thatll give some context but what Im trying to sumay is this root rot is causing limp mode but lolipopping in the smaller spaces as youll see just skimming through pics…

The nugs where getting more concentrated and fruitfull but still white hairs would pop out unlike Ive started to see up till then. I didnt have gnats or root rot idk just white roots or at least good enough. The rootballs with the pinkish tint wont finish right and die. Like pythium.

So thats why I say chop at week 9 normally 10 but Im in SOS mode.

All these plants got bugs too since I didnt panty hose them from the start so another reason to chop early. It is subject to show signs of rot and pythium which Id have to through the damn shit away if it does anyway. I learned if you see no bugs in a already 30 day vegged plant in a pot dont mean there not there.

Could be cooler temps making eggs take longer to hatch and just not seeing any adults. Now im warm flower room theyre popping up crazy even got root aphids Im sure. Seen gnats for a year straight these in one plant dont look like gnats.

Im talking about if colas suddenly die thats a sign to toss the shit.

That wasnt all to bad I kinda did ok explaining that. A bit foggy minded but yea. If I missed anything its that if you check journal theyll look overfed because I went 8x a day fed in plastic pots stagnant moist enviorment.

Because floraflex 1 gallon was overfilled with coco so the dripper over spilled it so thought hell just feed it slowly to top it off so dont dry back. Even with pot filled half way the roots bind and push the media up until its almost doing the same thing. Idk why I never heard this happen to others when looking at floraflex pots.

Anyway the pump went out being so restricted by a ball valve to compensate and make it till harvest. Leafs damaged didnt know it was the pump so I lowered ec from 1.7 to 1.5ec it got worse until back up to 1.7ec relatively quickly span of 2 weeks.

So eurika? Dont even know how to spell it lol. Just now realize, sometimes my rambles go somewhere, I learn from it. Thinking out loud. Thats why! So I told people basically stop telling me to drop ec when they were right! Just the frequency needed to drop.

Anyway long story longer I uh.. Yea I think that was it. 8x a day for no reason then got much better at 4x a day but now new setup dryback heaven need 8x a day with lower ec.

Never mind Im stoned false moment. I do get down hill growth often in the last few weeks or sometimes I dont but some fan leafs will put out. I suddenly blanked out idk what the hell their deal was. They didnt have a pump go out they only got burned ridges look which I was still getting. Then spotted burning out look like cannabilizing at 1.5 ec getting worse so back up to 1.7.

Gosh damnit Im pretty sure my last eurika moment was valid its basic coco 101 idk what took so long to figure that out. Lets see what my plants keep looking like and go from there.

Idk you tell me, what caused these to go to crap almost when a pump went out in the bigger tent. If I just kept ec the same what would of happened, bounce back from the pump issue? Could the drop in ec from 1.7 to 1.5 for a couple weeks or just overfed and need to drop ec and increase frequency?

Ive had a few clones do fine 10 weeks, the fist time from seed I had a ph of 4 by mistake and let it go 13 weeks flower. It was all red hairs at like week 10 or 11. I got told I chopped last plant too early I overreacted let it go long. Learned my preferences to chop since.

Still yielded 12% hash with budtrimmer but what sucks I was new to pressing and cooked the rosin. So can only speak for yield. I doubt it gets any better.

It help up pretty good. Jeez just when it clicks it gets harder. Just got lots of dialing in to do and will take a while, Im just now growing in appropriate conditions. Showed the rootball in the plant that finished in 10 weeks perfectly no issues.

The root balls wont stop rotting ever since.

Could just be you cant get a plant used to heavy feed and just take it back week 8 of flower or so. Idk need to get past other issues first. Whys this plant burning up at 6x a day feed good runoff 1.7ec only 1.8ec runoff. My guess is I didnt adjust the frequency in time and got burned like my 3x3 plant did, it just got me to save this plant quicker?

Could be the fan but I need to grow it with a fan if it means I have to get wind burn if thats what this is than so be it. Just what a good harvest of no mold looks like until I trust less turbulant airflow and or dial in the ec and frequency better.

I didnt think just upping the frequency from start of flip was a good idea may over feed it at first. Or just gradually change it like now but if you dont act fast enough if just one or two days of it or more then itll burn.

I think thats my latest experience, it will burn from dry back just as bad if bad enough like it would if you didnt have enough runoff.

Here my veg plants no tip burn or anything over a month old. 1.7ec 3x a day fed. If I drop ec I wont even get past veg. In fact Il include what my plants originally looked like before flip.

So if theres anything thats holding true right now its that frequency is important. I just have to start all over Im worried but lets see if I can grow plants lol. I think the rest are ok now that I realize its gonna be a shit show if I dont start observing how its going.

Another tell is rhe hash isnt transparent or gold transparent like it would if chopped soon like this press picture shows being like 6 full weeks flower. The darker is 10 weeks full. Still 20% though. The early chop isnt as water like so maybe its still making terps idk.

medidedicated said:

Another tell is rhe hash isnt transparent or gold transparent like it would if chopped soon like this press picture shows being like 6 full weeks flower. The darker is 10 weeks full. Still 20% though. The early chop isnt as water like so maybe its still making terps idk.

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Oh you're making rosin, I was confused when you kept mentioning hash before.

Its not a bunch of nothing either of empty stalcs etc. Maybe my 12% machine trimmed batch and even thats getting me stoned. Just been cutting back so sometimes Im just shedding thc. That 20% is a explosion of quality I never had unless I hand trimmed it and kept delicate handling till pressing.

Id say my dry sift that for whatever reason lost those heads aside from one time. If it were empty stalks etc it wouldnt just melt and add 8% more rosin. It wouldnt yield at all, just like the times I got 14% return on dry sift same pheno which is booboo yield.

Sometimes I wonder if Im pioneering or subpioneering something. That sounds self absorbed but time to time I see others trying to describe what I can only write a book about attempting to. Its flippin dank. Id curse but Im sure they appreciate clean vocab.

Most rosin I made was pretty good but some strains better than others, the one I mothered is just top of them. The flavor is as good as bho and live bho very very close infact sometime if you dab them too long it can gunk and raunch up in taste. Need to remain humble thats just one batch of that pheno.

Well, any time it was like the same when I hit that sweet spot. Just sometimes easy to collect goopy or shattery or basically water. So theres some differences but the yield is the same. I prefer the water its a sign of more terps but the shatter would butter and basically be the same maybe fresher.

Im no pioneer I misuse words all the time. Im in my own lane but its dope. Like one time saw some one thats less wordy say I get 28% flower rosin, purity isnt everything Im happy enough, something like that.

Hell yea probably hand trimmed as its hard to believe you can splatter so many head machine trimming and get just 1% less hash. Id use a bud trimmer if that was so. I follow this. This guy on youtube got 28% sundae driver cannarado genetics and I dug up content that verified he hand trimmed.

Its like my legacy lol carry it on for me! Do me a favor try both and tell me your results! Same guy bought bud trimmers and made more flower rosin videos works with great genetics but isnt quite hitting that again. 14% Im like awww what if you hand trim it!

Its not always going to do what Im saying but you could lose a cash cow not doing so. 20% to a lot of people is a good yield. Even if this turns out to be 18% for whatever reason, every percent counts. Il totally show off if the whole plant did 20% though.

Im surprised it doesnt work the same with all hash but when you have so much to work with or only need a small dab here and there you wont care. To me its my bread and butter its all I do I slowly baught a press and quickly was like yup I could do this full time.

Thats my first few presses too ruining it or just not having as tasty of a strain as I got.

For what its worth though I was watching a video of a commercial grower saying why he machine trims. He said theres a reason commercial growers still hire a big ass team of hand trimmers even though it costs so much. This is one of them but I found it applies to weed smoke too. This pheno is much stronger and tastier when hand trimmed.

Just do the math if you didnt already, you have many plants that all yield 12-15%. Now add 5-8% on top of that. Issue is flower rosin is very well hated on. I wonder if this works the same with bho which would save thousands, its already thousands for my 12 plant personal garden.

As for lighting I really dont know if some phenos will yield regardless of lighting. I did 2 mini clones in 1L pot dtw coco with 28w ac infinity supplimental bar lighting in a 1x2x2’ mini tent. Whole thing did 20% and of best quality I ever had. It was an oz each clone.

It shows it buttered a little in the scilicone pic but in a dispensary 5g mini jar it stayed like live resin. I cant wait to press this next plant in about 19 days to continue talkin my junk lol.