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doublejj

doublejj

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MichiganSpinDoctor said:
Democrats call black murder rates a symptom of their oppression. People have made statements along those lines on this forum.

The murder rates are not a symptom of oppression, and reparations would not help. Personal responsibility would help.

It was hilarious when trump said that. I never thought it would happen literally. Not for a minute.
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You do realize that grabbing women by the pussy is a crime right?.....o_O
 
MichiganSpinDoctor

MichiganSpinDoctor

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Fogdog said:
Classic

"poor people are poor because they make bad choices"

This ties in to your "moral failure" argument as well.

Where your argument falls apart is at your assumption that everybody had the same chances and experiences you did. That is simply not true. Whether you want to admit it or not, I'm willing to bet that you know your assumption is not true.
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I assume nothing. Do you think that everyone should have the exact same chances and experiences? Sounds like a brave New world. Pass the soma
 
Fogdog

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Because you deny that you are making an assumption that all people have the same chances that you had, I'm gathering together the string of replies that led to this startlingly blind statement of yours:

Fogdog said:
Are you saying that poverty for the chronically poor is a choice?
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MichiganSpinDoctor said:
Yes I am saying that.
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Fogdog said:
Classic

"poor people are poor because they make bad choices"

This ties in to your "moral failure" argument as well.

Where your argument falls apart is at your assumption that everybody had the same chances and experiences you did. That is simply not true. Whether you want to admit it or not, I'm willing to bet that you know your assumption is not true.
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MichiganSpinDoctor said:
I assume nothing. Do you think that everyone should have the exact same chances and experiences? Sounds like a brave New world. Pass the soma
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You said that being chronically poor is a choice. This requires the assumption that everybody has as good a chance to escape poverty as you did (assuming you were poor when you "lived in the slums"). It is simply not true that everybody has an equal opportunity in this society. The harder people have it, the more difficult it is to escape it. Is this hard for you to understand?
 
Fogdog

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MichiganSpinDoctor said:
I assume nothing. Do you think that everyone should have the exact same chances and experiences? Sounds like a brave New world. Pass the soma
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I take it you didn't read "Brave New World". In that novel, people were manipulated during fetal development to fit into a specific class. People had no chance to better themselves in that society. They were happy, though. Soma, sex and mass entertainment helped but also people were engineered to be happy in their role.

So, just like in Brave New World, people don't have the same chances and experiences . We have drugs and media entertainment to help us through but are still not satisfied because our drive and abilities haven't been attenuated to living a dull life like the workers in Huxley's world. Which gets us back to why there is protest and struggle by black and brown people to eliminate the barriers and systemic racism that you don't have to deal with.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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Fogdog said:
I take it you didn't read "Brave New World". In that novel, people were manipulated during fetal development to fit into a specific class. People had no chance to better themselves in that society. They were happy, though. Soma, sex and mass entertainment helped but also people were engineered to be happy in their role.

So, just like in Brave New World, people don't have the same chances and experiences . We have drugs and media entertainment to help us through but are still not satisfied because our drive and abilities haven't been attenuated to living a dull life like the workers in Huxley's world. Which gets us back to why there is protest and struggle by black and brown people to eliminate the barriers and systemic racism that you don't have to deal with.
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preach....
 
MichiganSpinDoctor

MichiganSpinDoctor

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Fogdog said:
I take it you didn't read "Brave New World". In that novel, people were manipulated during fetal development to fit into a specific class. People had no chance to better themselves in that society. They were happy, though. Soma, sex and mass entertainment helped but also people were engineered to be happy in their role.

So, just like in Brave New World, people don't have the same chances and experiences . We have drugs and media entertainment to help us through but are still not satisfied because our drive and abilities haven't been attenuated to living a dull life like the workers in Huxley's world. Which gets us back to why there is protest and struggle by black and brown people to eliminate the barriers and systemic racism that you don't have to deal with.
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What racist system or barrier causes black people's chances and experiences to be different from Asian people's chances and experiences?
 
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