TRUMP CONVICTED

Fogdog said:

"I have one word to describe her comments"

"bad"

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“on a legal basis” my maiden aunt Fanny!

BudmanTX said:

The Supreme Court will decide if Donald Trump can be kept off 2024 presidential ballots

The Supreme Court will decide whether former President Donald Trump can be kept off the 2024 presidential ballot because of his efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss.

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oh this should be interesting

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February 8th is later than I would have thought. The pundits are divided on whether Trump will be disqualified, even though he was found to be an insurrectionist, and nobody is disputing that fact. The constitution is clear enough about it IMO and they would save everybody including themselves a lot of trouble by just putting him out of his misery. If they let him run, it will just invite others to try what he did and get a free crack at being a dictator.

The entire structure of the government the constitution created was designed to divide power and avoid the tyranny of one-man rule. If they want to know about the intentions of the founders in this matter look no further than the division of powers and independent courts. The intentions of the framers of the 14th are even clearer and there is more historic documentation there. The conservatives would be doing a 180 on their judicial philosophy of originalism if they didn't disqualify him. The actual conservatives and federalists would be aghast and all the conservative justices on the SCOTUS are federalist society members, it was a prerequisite and Mitch did the picking for Trump to rubber stamp.

Going nuclear: Can Trump lose 2024 from 'ballot ban'? Top official on SCOTUS case with Ari Melber

The Supreme Court agreed to consider whether the former President Donald Trump could be deemed ineligible to run for federal office again because of his actions leading up to the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. MSNBC’s Ari Melber is joined by Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold to discuss.

Harvard scholar predicts how Supreme Court will rule on key Trump legal battles

Laurence Tribe, University Professor of Constitutional Law Emeritus at Harvard University, joins Chris Hayes to break down how he thinks Trump’s ballot eligibility and Trump’s claim of presidential immunity will be resolved by the Supreme Court.

cannabineer said:

“on a legal basis” my maiden aunt Fanny!

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Ain't that peculiar

Let's talk about SCOTUS, Trump, and Colorado....

After the civil case in NY, I would expect criminal indictments too, you don't do the shit Trump is being sued for without breaking criminal and tax law too.


Let's talk about NY, numbers, and Trump....

Imagine what the impact of Scavino's testimony will be at Trump's DC trial! There will be lot's more witnesses and it doesn't look like he will get immunity from prosecution over it in DC, hopefully while disqualified too. Disqualified or not he has a date with Tanya (Chutkan) in DC this spring or summer and it is not expected to go well for him. The GOP nominee might be convicted in jail and sentenced before their convention, what a shit storm that would be!

DIY-HP-LED said:

Imagine what the impact of Scavino's testimony will be at Trump's DC trial! There will be lot's more witnesses and it doesn't look like he will get immunity from prosecution over it in DC, hopefully while disqualified too. Disqualified or not he has a date with Tanya (Chutkan) in DC this spring or summer and it is not expected to go well for him. The GOP nominee might be convicted in jail and sentenced before their convention, what a shit storm that would be!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1743994079229231570

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And the former VP will still vote for him. Only the best cowa... er, people.

How much clearer does it need to get, as usual from one of his former officials...

topcat said:

And the former VP will still vote for him. Only the best cowa... er, people.

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They need his base and if they stay home or vote for his endorsed candidates, or he turns on them on his way down, the GOP will be in big trouble this election season. He can instantly divide the party and have the vast majority of the base at his command, so he must be coddled and handled with white gloves, until the cell door slams on his ass.

Yep, if the SCOTUS doesn't disqualify Trump, he will be the republican nominee before the election by a long shot. He is very likely to have his immunity bid tossed out and go back to Chutkan soon, hopefully for his scheduled trial on March 4th with the jury selected and warming their chairs with the trial ready to go. From the timelines I've heard from experts, once the trial begins it should last 6 to 8 weeks and if he is convicted on these serious charges, he will be immediately incarcerated in DC pending sentencing, which might happen before or during the convention.

They will need another candidate or go with imprisoned Trump, who might face a second disqualification round before the general election, this one using his criminal convictions for J6. If the SCOTUS does disqualify him many republicans will make noise, but secretly be relieved to have him off their backs. He will go nuts and attack the GOP nominee, unless they nominated a disqualified candidate, hey the base is crazy and stupid enough for anything! He would start a write in campaign for the ballot I figure and start endorsing his own candidates while shitting on the republicans who dared replace him as nominee. It should be a shit storm of epic proportions at the GOP convention this summer, if Trump is disqualified or if he is not, I doubt he will be in attendance, he will probably be in jail on his way to prison by then.

Surprise element of Trump's disqualification SURGES into spotlight

DIY-HP-LED said:

Surprise element of Trump's disqualification SURGES into spotlight

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good one. Brian was on fire in his opening monologue.

I honestly don't think much will happen if the SCOTUS disqualifies Trump or the appeals court denies his appeal until after trial. He already tried to call the faithful to the courthouse steps and didn't have very good results anywhere else, including Georgia, and his TV trial there will be after he is convicted federally. What will republicans do? Most of the elected one's fear and loath him and want him gone out of their lives, the magats will protest the loudest to get the most votes from his base. Their presidential candidates have promised to pardon him, and he might have his TV trial in Georgia during the election too. I can't see this working out for the GOP even if Trump is not disqualified, he should be convicted and imprisoned by convention day this summer. If they do disqualify him in February, it is hard to say what the GOP will do, run a disqualified candidate who can't serve anyway or nominate someone else at the convention after Trump is locked away and silenced.

I don't see much chance of widespread violence, but lots of threats by lunatics. It puts the federalist society members in the court in a tight spot, meaning all the republican appointed ones, they are textual originalists, and the federalist society (or its founder at least) says he should be disqualified based on the 14th. Not to disqualify Trump would be going against their basic judicial philosophy, at least according to Harvad law prof Lawernce Tribe. We should know soon about his immunity claims and about disqualification by the middle or end of February. They will be setting precedent with this one.

DIY-HP-LED said:

I honestly don't think much will happen if the SCOTUS disqualifies Trump or the appeals court denies his appeal until after trial. He already tried to call the faithful to the courthouse steps and didn't have very good results anywhere else, including Georgia, and his TV trial there will be after he is convicted federally. What will republicans do? Most of the elected one's fear and loath him and want him gone out of their lives, the magats will protest the loudest to get the most votes from his base. Their presidential candidates have promised to pardon him, and he might have his TV trial in Georgia during the election too. I can't see this working out for the GOP even if Trump is not disqualified, he should be convicted and imprisoned by convention day this summer. If they do disqualify him in February, it is hard to say what the GOP will do, run a disqualified candidate who can't serve anyway or nominate someone else at the convention after Trump is locked away and silenced.

I don't see much chance of widespread violence, but lots of threats by lunatics. It puts the federalist society members in the court in a tight spot, meaning all the republican appointed ones, they are textual originalists, and the federalist society (or its founder at least) says he should be disqualified based on the 14th. Not to disqualify Trump would be going against their basic judicial philosophy, at least according to Harvad law prof Lawernce Tribe. We should know soon about his immunity claims and about disqualification by the middle or end of February. They will be setting precedent with this one.

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If Trump is disqualified, his lawyers will appeal to a higher authority.

If they deny his immunity (likely) then this and more is what he will face in a DC court this spring. I don't see Chutkan going lightly on sentencing, and I don't think he will be released on appeal once convicted. He might appeal his immunity case after conviction, but I doubt a higher court will order his release from jail while awaiting sentencing. Donald running around loose with a conviction and 20-year sentence hanging over his head while being the presumptive GOP nominee would be a sight to behold. Would an appeals court risk such a thing as releasing Donald after Chutkan jails him upon conviction? Public threats made against the judge, witnesses and persecutors while Donald runs around trying to foment another insurrection while being a convicted felon who is just so "special". I think the presumptive republican nominee will be in jail or prison by the time the convention rolls around, if the SCOTUS doesn't disqualify him.

I think what Trump did and said during the insurrection will have the biggest impact on the jury, what he said while he was watching J6 on TV and what he didn't do, his duty to the constitution.

Understand the entire federal government was inside the capitol that day, the VP, the house and the senate, if they killed them all just Trump would remain as the only federal government, the one who murdered them all. What would have happened then? At the time we did not know how it would end or how deep the conspiracies ran. If Trump could have murdered the lot of them, he probably would have, if it meant power and getting away with his many crimes. I doubt the SCOTUS would do anything, at least until he came after them and by then it would be too late.


ABC News reveals new evidence about Trump's inaction on Jan. 6

ABC News reports that special counsel Jack Smith has obtained new evidence about Trump's inaction on Jan. 6. Former Trump White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham discusses the reporting.

"Take that Smith, I ain't afraid of you."
Trump says he’ll attend immunity hearing on Tuesday in DC
Former President Trump will attend a hearing in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday over whether he can be prosecuted for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

Trump confirmed on Truth Social that he plans to attend the hearing in person as he and his legal team push the argument that he has absolute presidential immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts.

In the post, Trump made the case that he should not be prosecuted for his attempts to remain in power after losing the 2020 election.

“Of course I was entitled, as President of the United States and Commander in Chief, to Immunity. I wasn’t campaigning, the Election was long over,” Trump wrote. “I was looking for voter fraud, and finding it, which is my obligation to do, and otherwise running running our Country.”

Trump went on to suggest President Biden could be vulnerable to criminal charges if the courts rule that Trump is not immune.

Trump has called for the courts to dismiss the charges against him in Washington, D.C., where the former president was indicted in August over his efforts to remain in power after losing the 2020 election.

Special counsel Jack Smith urged the Supreme Court to weigh Trump’s efforts to toss his election interference prosecution, but the high court declined to take up the case.

While the Supreme Court agreed to expedited briefing over whether to formally take up the matter, the justices ultimately sided with Trump, who argued the case should first be considered by the District of Columbia Circuit Court of Appeals, which scheduled a Jan. 9 hearing.

With lower court proceedings stayed while the appeals court weighs Trump’s immunity claims, any delay could mean kicking back a trial otherwise set for March 4.

Trump and his team have repeatedly tried to delay the criminal cases against him in Washington, D.C., Florida, Georgia and New York, essentially hoping to punt them beyond the 2024 election in hopes that the former president will return to the White House at that point.