trayvan martin

Carne Seca said:

I meant red with chartreuse polka-dots:

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ok the green dots would just keep freakin me out..does that make me racist ???

That's another thing I don't understand. There is proof that Trayvon was talking to her at the time this was going on. The phone logs prove this. So, why do the Zimmerman fans keep ignoring or discounting her story?

UncleBuck said:

unfounded.

there was not going to be any civil conversation. zimmerman had already profiled martin as an asshole and a fucking something or the other.

the only person who will be able to testify about what was said right before the scuffle is dee dee, and she says that martin asked zimm "why are you following me?" to which zimmbot replied "what are you doing here?" and then a scuffle breaks out.

the prosecution has already tipped its hat that zimm's account doesn't match up with zimm's account or eyewitness accounts, which we knew since night one thanks to serino. zimm won't get on that stand if he knows what is good for him.

you mad bro?

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Zimmy had no business trying to be the police. If he wanted the job why did he not go apply for it ????

londonfog said:

ok the green dots would just keep freakin me out..does that make me racist ???

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It makes you a polka-dot-aphobe.

(818)MedicineMan said:

Cool. I'm an idiot for having an understanding that stopping mid-word when a gun is discharged proves nothing. Either party could have stopped yelling help mid-word.

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we'll see what the FBI says about who was screaming. experts have already pretty much ruled out the possibility that it could be zimmerman.

who has to yell for help when they have a gun drawn? LOL! when you have a gun drawn on someone, it's a pretty sure thing you don't need any help, you've got all the help you need aimed at the string bean of a kid that you just profiled, stalked, and cornered.

londonfog said:

Zimmy had no business trying to be the police. If he wanted the job why did he not go apply for it ????

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he was waiting on his daddy to make a few calls for him. ties in law enforcement run deep.

UncleBuck said:

we'll see what the FBI says about who was screaming. experts have already pretty much ruled out the possibility that it could be zimmerman.

who has to yell for help when they have a gun drawn? LOL! when you have a gun drawn on someone, it's a pretty sure thing you don't need any help, you've got all the help you need aimed at the string bean of a kid that you just profiled, stalked, and cornered.

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Now he had the gun drawn? LOL Where do you get this stuff?

londonfog said:

Zimmy had no business trying to be the police. If he wanted the job why did he not go apply for it ????

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He started the process. He was interested in becoming a sheriff and took a four month course at the local sheriff's office. He was enrolled in a local community college and was taking law enforcement classes.

cliffey501 said:

Now he had the gun drawn? LOL Where do you get this stuff?

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You have to draw a gun from a holster to shoot it, genius. Zimmerman had his in his holster. Was he supposed to shoot Trayvon through the holster?

Carne Seca said:

You have to draw a gun from a holster to shoot it, genius. Zimmerman had his in his holster. Was he supposed to shoot Trayvon through the holster?

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The gun wasn't drawn until after trayvon was on top of him beating him.George was screaming for help then pulled the gun.

Carne Seca said:

That's another thing I don't understand. There is proof that Trayvon was talking to her at the time this was going on. The phone logs prove this. So, why do the Zimmerman fans keep ignoring or discounting her story?

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the other thing is that zimmerman was parked in between the clubhouse where martin was and martin's home. zimm says martin is coming towards him, well duh, you're in his path home. martin takes off in zimm's words "down toward the back entrance", not over as in towards the greenbelt. at that time martin gets another call from dee dee and says "i think i lost him". so martin is somewhere down towards the south entrance with zimm having given chase and still blocking his path towards home.

after that it gets a little shaky, but we know martin thinks he had lost the creepy dude following him, they have another confrontation, another chase and argument takes place, someone is screaming for help right up until the gunshot and zimmerman does not so much as get his shirt untucked the whole time and is found straddling martin appearing worried but not injured.

cliffey501 said:

Now he had the gun drawn? LOL Where do you get this stuff?

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so he fires on martin with a holstered weapon?

subpar canadian education strikes again.

UncleBuck said:

we'll see what the FBI says about who was screaming. experts have already pretty much ruled out the possibility that it could be zimmerman.

who has to yell for help when they have a gun drawn? LOL! when you have a gun drawn on someone, it's a pretty sure thing you don't need any help, you've got all the help you need aimed at the string bean of a kid that you just profiled, stalked, and cornered.

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You want to assume Zimmerman had his weapon out while pursuing Trayvon?

I will assume that Zimmerman pulled his weapon while he was getting punched in the face and having his head beaten into the concrete. There is a witness to the scene of Trayvon on top of Zimmerman doing just that. I also have to assume, since we all are making assumptions without knowing the facts, that Trayvon would not approach someone with a weapon presented. I also assume that if Zimmerman had his weapon out and then made physical contact with Trayvon forcing Trayvon to attack, Zimmerman was patient with pulling the trigger. Makes no sense.

cliffey501 said:

The gun wasn't drawn until after trayvon was on top of him beating him.George was screaming for help then pulled the gun.

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the screams for help lasted right up until the gunshot. so zimmerman had control of his weapon aimed at martin but was still screaming for help?

subpar canadian education strikes again.

UncleBuck said:

the other thing is that zimmerman was parked in between the clubhouse where martin was and martin's home. zimm says martin is coming towards him, well duh, you're in his path home. martin takes off in zimm's words "down toward the back entrance", not over as in towards the greenbelt. at that time martin gets another call from dee dee and says "i think i lost him". so martin is somewhere down towards the south entrance with zimm having given chase and still blocking his path towards home.

after that it gets a little shaky, but we know martin thinks he had lost the creepy dude following him, they have another confrontation, another chase and argument takes place, someone is screaming for help right up until the gunshot and zimmerman does not so much as get his shirt untucked the whole time and is found straddling martin appearing worried but not injured.

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So why after nearly four minutes of pursuit does trayvon end up dead about 100 ft from zims truck?

UncleBuck said:

the screams for help lasted right up until the gunshot. so zimmerman had control of his weapon aimed at martin but was still screaming for help?

subpar canadian education strikes again.

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He was screaming with martin on top of him.At which point he pulls his gun and shoots.I don't think he really needed to aim.John witnessed martin on top of zimmerman.

londonfog said:

my point to not understanding some who defend this creep.

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I'll say it again for the thousandth time, I AM NOT DEFENDING ANYONE!!!!!! I'm trying to make people see how ridiculous it is to judge when they 1.) Do not know either individual 2.) when they weren't there to witness the altercation. It sucks that the kid is dead. It's horrible. I've said that about a thousand times too, but the "Hang Zimmerman" crowd keeps mischaracterizing my statements. I do not like it when people pre-judge others. I especially don't like it when people pre-judge others based on emotions. You all act like you know exactly what Zimmerman was thinking. Are you psychic or something?

(818)MedicineMan said:

You want to assume Zimmerman had his weapon out while pursuing Trayvon?

I will assume that Zimmerman pulled his weapon while he was getting punched in the face and having his head beaten into the concrete. There is a witness to the scene of Trayvon on top of Zimmerman doing just that. I also have to assume, since we all are making assumptions without knowing the facts, that Trayvon would not approach someone with a weapon presented. I also assume that if Zimmerman had his weapon out and then made physical contact with Trayvon forcing Trayvon to attack, Zimmerman was patient with pulling the trigger. Makes no sense.

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when did i say he had his gun drawn before the fight genius? man, they let anyone into the armed forces. don't need to be a genius to catch a bullet i guess.

zimm did not want to let these assholes get away. one witness describes one point in the scuffle where martin was on top, no mentions of smashing a head into a sidewalk, lots of mentions of a scuffle in the grass though.

i'll match your assumption that zimm pulled the weapon early on in the fight when the witness says they saw martin land a punch or two on zimm. zimm pulls the weapon, martin starts screaming for help. zimm was just trying to hold martin down until the cops got there and was not screaming for help, martin was the one screaming since experts have all but ruled out zimm doing the screaming.

witness describes what happens in the moments before the shooting as not much movement.

gunshot is fired, martin is face down in the grass with zimm straddling him just moments after the gunshot.

cliffey501 said:

So why after nearly four minutes of pursuit does trayvon end up dead about 100 ft from zims truck?

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martin was trying to find some way back to his house, but some creep following him was directly between martin and his home.

martin was just chatting with his girlfriend and looking for a path home when zimmerman, on the way back to his truck and looking for martin after chasing him "down towards the back entrance". he spots him again, chases him down behind the houses (where there are no addresses) and tries to detain him because he is so sick of "these assholes always getting away".

shoots him dead after chasing him twice.

(818)MedicineMan said:

Cool. I'm an idiot for having an understanding that stopping mid-word when a gun is discharged proves nothing. Either party could have stopped yelling help mid-word.

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You're full of shit. First off, don't spout off about combat experience, you aren't the only one around here who has deployed. It doesn't make any sense to be yelling help or half a help when you are popping a cap in a unarmed boy's ass. That goes for double if the boy just whooped your ass when you didn't have a gun. He went and got his gun cause he got his ass whooped and everyone knows it, they were both wannabe thugs.