trayvan martin

loco...huge problem with your theory... only one guy is around to tell his side of the story, and i don't believe a word this turd says, not sure how anyone can

Corso312 said:

loco...huge problem with your theory... only one guy is around to tell his side of the story, and i don't believe a word this turd says, not sure how anyone can

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I don't think my statement that everything both parties did leading up to the question was legal, is a theory. I'm fairly certain it's a fact. He may very well be a complete liar and pulled the gun without cause. I can't say.

The fact he's the only one able to relate the events is a big problem for the prosecution, for sure.

I can't remember where I heard the sayings;

Don't pull it if you ain't gonna use it.
If you do use it, make sure your story is the only story.

londonfog said:

ok who took the picture of Zimmermans head.. Apparently it was not the police or EMT.??? this is crazy

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This is the funny part!

Some random cat shows up with a cell phone pic as soon as Zimmy turns himself in...ROFLS! Now people are seriously considering this evidence. Sorry, but without chain of custody, it's just noise. Why do you think they have chain of custody on evidence? To prevent tampering maybe? So laughable.

afrawfraw said:

This is the funny part!

Some random cat shows up with a cell phone pic as soon as Zimmy turns himself in...ROFLS! Now people are seriously considering this evidence. Sorry, but without chain of custody, it's just noise. Why do you think they have chain of custody on evidence? To prevent tampering maybe? So laughable.

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I don't recall anyone calling it "evidence". It does seem to corroborate his story though. Besides, there will be a police report and possibly an EMS report/SOR documenting the injuries. These are as good as sworn testimony and so long as there is no other evidence to refute the documentation of said "injuries", then the cell phone pic doesn't really matter.

doc111 said:

I don't recall anyone calling it "evidence". It does seem to corroborate his story though. Besides, there will be a police report and possibly an EMS report/SOR documenting the injuries. These are as good as sworn testimony and so long as there is no other evidence to refute the documentation of said "injuries", then the cell phone pic doesn't really matter.

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Kinda like the way the Bible corroborates Christian philosophy?

To me it boils down to not taking instruction from an officer. When 911 instructs you to stay, you stay. Zimmerman was ordered to remain in the vehicle, and that units were on the way. He CHOSE, of his OWN FREE WILL to follow TM. This is the decision that led to his death. It could have been me that night! If I'm walking home, and someone starts following me, I'm going to confront them. So would anyone else! If you say you wouldn't, your lying! So he follows TM which probably scared him, so he approaches Zimm, probably asking, "What the fuck!?" Zimmy probably popped off at the mouth, started getting his ass handed to him, so he shot TM.

THE PROBLEM IS, Zimmy instigated this altercation by not listening to police instruction.

JOE HORN FOR PRESIDENT!?

afrawfraw said:

Kinda like the way the Bible corroborates Christian philosophy?

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WTF does religion have to do with this case? You're comparing the Bible to a photograph of Zimmerman's injuries????? lmfao!!!!!!!

Ok, I'm better now. I just had to get the laughter out of my system. You are doing what I call "comparing apples to oranges". I do not care to have a religious discussion, and I think your simile is a REALLY bad one. Just my opinion but I'm hoping that once you think about your previous statement, you will see why it's so ridiculous.

doc111 said:

WTF does religion have to do with this case? You're comparing the Bible to a photograph of Zimmerman's injuries????? lmfao!!!!!!!

Ok, I'm better now. I just had to get the laughter out of my system. You are doing what I call "comparing apples to oranges". I do not care to have a religious discussion, and I think your simile is a REALLY bad one. Just my opinion but I'm hoping that once you think about your previous statement, you will see why it's so ridiculous.

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And once you realize how religion controls thoughts, you will delete this post.

Your faith in that photo is dogmatic. Sorry if you can't see that. I can make one of those in an hour. You stated that it corroborates his story, then stated it's irrelevant. Keep laughing.

ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
10/05/1983
07/18/2005
Div 10
OKane, Julie H
Criminal Felony
Closed
CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE
BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
2005-MM-010436-A-OZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
10/05/1983
07/18/2005
Orlando
Miller, W Michael
Misdemeanor
Closed
CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE
2006-TR-219362-A-O0244RCN
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
12/14/2006
Orlando
Officer, 98 Hearing
Civil Traffic Infraction
Closed
TR- UNLAWFUL SPEED
2006-TR-219364-A-O0245RCN
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
12/14/2006
Orlando
Officer, 98 Hearing
Civil Traffic Infraction
Closed
TR- CERT OF REGISTRATION POSSESS REQ

Keep laughing.

afrawfraw said:

To me it boils down to not taking instruction from an officer. When 911 instructs you to stay, you stay. Zimmerman was ordered to remain in the vehicle, and that units were on the way. He CHOSE, of his OWN FREE WILL to follow TM. This is the decision that led to his death. It could have been me that night! If I'm walking home, and someone starts following me, I'm going to confront them. So would anyone else! If you say you wouldn't, your lying! So he follows TM which probably scared him, so he approaches Zimm, probably asking, "What the fuck!?" Zimmy probably popped off at the mouth, started getting his ass handed to him, so he shot TM.

THE PROBLEM IS, Zimmy instigated this altercation by not listening to police instruction.

JOE HORN FOR PRESIDENT!?

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He was not "ordered". 911 dispatcher is NOT an "officer". They are telephone operators with a little bit of training in dealing with emergencies over the phone. They are not police and have ZERO authority to "order" anyone to do anything. We don't know that he did continue to follow Trayvon, so again, this is simply speculation at this point. Dispatchers and police are not the same and a dispatcher, or 911 operator, DOES NOT have any authority to be giving orders. They merely make "suggestions" in an attempt to keep the liability off of themselves, and to keep situations from escalating, kinda like this one did. It may play a small role in the prosecution in that it was "suggested" by 911 that he not continue to follow, but it is by no means a "lawful order". I have 3 911 dispatchers in my family...........we've had this discussion NUMEROUS times in the past and I just talked to one of them this morning and asked if they had any "authority" to "order" anyone. They have ZERO authority. I know what I'm talking about on this one.

afrawfraw said:

ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
10/05/1983
07/18/2005
Div 10
OKane, Julie H
Criminal Felony
Closed
CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE
BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
2005-MM-010436-A-OZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
10/05/1983
07/18/2005
Orlando
Miller, W Michael
Misdemeanor
Closed
CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE
2006-TR-219362-A-O0244RCN
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
12/14/2006
Orlando
Officer, 98 Hearing
Civil Traffic Infraction
Closed
TR- UNLAWFUL SPEED
2006-TR-219364-A-O0245RCN
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
12/14/2006
Orlando
Officer, 98 Hearing
Civil Traffic Infraction
Closed
TR- CERT OF REGISTRATION POSSESS REQ

Keep laughing.

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Not sure who's laughing. After all, a kid is dead as a result. Not really anything to laugh about if you ask me.

So, was Zimmerman convicted of any of those things? If not, then that shit is irrelevant.

UncleBuck said:

false.



because they did a more thorough review of the facts of the case. hence why it changed from manslaughter to murder 2.

you're really not that bright, are you?

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Please show me where they charged anyone with manslaughter. Didnt happen. Made up bull shit.

doc111 said:

WTF does religion have to do with this case? You're comparing the Bible to a photograph of Zimmerman's injuries????? lmfao!!!!!!!

Ok, I'm better now. I just had to get the laughter out of my system.

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Maybe you should sit down. It was you who was laughing.

doc111 said:

Not sure who's laughing. After all, a kid is dead as a result. Not really anything to laugh about if you ask me.

So, was Zimmerman convicted of any of those things? If not, then that shit is irrelevant.

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So you are suggesting that these charges were bogus and had no merit? Your statement seems to indicate that every citizen everywhere goes to jail if they are guilty. Are you THAT delusional?

Stillbuzzin said:

Please show me where they charged anyone with manslaughter. Didnt happen. Made up bull shit.

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I think he means they planned to charge with manslaughter but they must have found some evidence that makes the prosecution think they will get a murder 2 conviction. What some people don't seem to realize is that you go for the big "trophy" and maybe you'll get it. If not, there are a lot of smaller "trophies" they can also win. There will be a list of "lesser included" charges that the jury will have the option of convicting on if they find insufficient evidence to convict on Murder 2. The prosecution has nothing to lose by going for the "big trophy".

doc111 said:

I think he means they planned to charge with manslaughter but they must have found some evidence that makes the prosecution think they will get a murder 2 conviction. What some people don't seem to realize is that you go for the big "trophy" and maybe you'll get it. If not, there are a lot of smaller "trophies" they can also win. There will be a list of "lesser included" charges that the jury will have the option of convicting on if they find insufficient evidence to convict on Murder 2. The prosecution has nothing to lose by going for the "big trophy".

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I agree here. It gives the jury more options to satisfy conviction on lesser included charges. If they go for murder 1, and they don't have enough of a case, he walks. If they dumb down the charges, you require less satisfaction to convict.

afrawfraw said:

So you are suggesting that these charges were bogus and had no merit? Your statement seems to indicate that every citizen everywhere goes to jail if they are guilty. Are you THAT delusional?

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No, but we enjoy the presumption of innocence until PROVEN guilty in a court of law. Just because a person is arrested for a crime means little if there is no conviction or plea deal. If he wasn't convicted then all of that shit is irrelevant. I'm guessing his attorney will have that shit suppressed, if it can even be admitted as evidence. From a legal standpoint, these arrests are irrelevant. Are you that dense?

doc111 said:

I think he means they planned to charge with manslaughter but they must have found some evidence that makes the prosecution think they will get a murder 2 conviction. What some people don't seem to realize is that you go for the big "trophy" and maybe you'll get it. If not, there are a lot of smaller "trophies" they can also win. There will be a list of "lesser included" charges that the jury will have the option of convicting on if they find insufficient evidence to convict on Murder 2. The prosecution has nothing to lose by going for the "big trophy".

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Totally agree with what your saying but thats not what the UBd said

afrawfraw said:

Maybe you should sit down. It was you who was laughing.

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Huh? Yeah, that's what I said......I was laughing at your 'weak sauce' comparison of the Bible and the merits of Christianity to the photo of Zimmerman's injuries and the credibility of said evidence. It was laughable. Sorry, I call 'em like I see 'em!