cliffey501
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Im curiuous why you would reference these cities and neighborhoods? Labelling them "scary".
trayvan martin
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I put more faith in the witness than the corrupt police forces.
Really? You missed that BULLSHIT sterotypes based solely upon the thin criteria of how a person votes are not applicable to this issue and indeed are just a load of short-sighted , divisive and exclusionary ***bullshit***.
Here's a question for you , to you wish the country to change and improve , or do you just wish that for those who look , act and think as you do?
Seemingly you fail to understand that nebulous political labels and other such arbitrary dividing lines based upon ideology , creed race , religion etc are being utilised to keep the general public divided into multiple cadres that are constantly squabbling and at each others throats.
Do you **REALLY* think the DemoCraps and Republican'ts are any different beyond the glossy surface? Do you **really** that a single one of them of whatever permutation knows jackshit about how YOU live? Do you *REALLY* think that a SINGLE one of them hasn't been bought and paid for far prior to ever making it inside The Beltway?
This thread is a microcosmic example of **exactly that syndrome** , and YUP I freely admit to having cast a few labels too , that said at what point does our frigging ***humanity*** emerge and have us remember that this was a 17 year old kid, now DEAD.......and right or wrong Zimmerman ( and think about this in the context of a moral and ethical man......benefit of the doubt and all that bullshit) has to live with that FACT for the rest of his life , if he's NOT the sociopath that he appears to be then he may well have created a lifelong living Hell for himself that will punish him far more effectively than anything save the death penalty.
And regardless of arguements on the InterWebz what this does accomplish is yet further division along racial lines , conveniently exploited by politicos and figureheads at a juncture which the country in general and Fla in specific REALLY doesn't need it.
Now before you jump off the bridge with ad hominem etc and send this south again I ask you to ruminate a minute on that.
Canna Sylvan
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I want to know what Unclebuck has to say now that he's seen Martin's recent pics. Martin wasn't half Zimmerman's size. That was media bullshit. It was Zimmerman crying like a bitch as he was gett the ass beating he deserved. Martin looked like a thug, but that was no reason to hunt him like an animal. I look like a hippy. How many here would mistake my views and actions as a hippy? Zimmerman had a reason to kill him, but so the fuck what. It's like if you corner an animal then are shocked it attacks you. I have lots of hoods where I live, and wouldn't ever entertain in a fantasy of hunting them. It would be stupid. It's like this guy who nearly died due to a black widow bite on the chest. Now.every waking moment he spends killing all he finds. The idiot would deserve to get bit again. Stupid.
Go ahead and live in your fantasy racist world. Look where his racism got him. He's going to get skull fucked by another bitter racist for "revenge," and I won't care. Two more racist bitching idiots will be off the streets.
Go ahead and live in your fantasy racist world. Look where his racism got him. He's going to get skull fucked by another bitter racist for "revenge," and I won't care. Two more racist bitching idiots will be off the streets.
Yeah just a wuunnnnneeerrrful state ain't it , might actually not be too bad if ya could remove all the damn mosquitoes , the freaking roaches and about 95% of the people. But hey at least it's not frigging Arkansas.
Hmmmmm , we maybe crossways on certain political issues , we however agree on certain things it seems.
cliffey501
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what does life experience have to do with the facts of this case or the laws that are relevant to this case?
UncleBuck
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actually, the people who disagree with me are jumping to their own conclusions...see below
there ya go. totally unconfirmed account of the situation taken as gospel by an idiot.
nowhere does he mention the actual statute, or any of the facts that we actually know, such as zimmerman initially provoking the entire situation.
YOU DON'T GET TO CLAIM SELF DEFENSE IF YOU INITIALLY PROVOKE THE SITUATION.
Good post , and I'm man enough to apologise for the Eurotrash comment ( to the Europeans here too) it was a bullshit sideshot on my part.
UncleBuck
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after he was asked a second time if he was still in pursuit.
when you pursue someone, you are not standing your ground, self defense no longer applies.
YOU DON'T GET TO CLAIM SELF DEFENSE IF YOU INITIALLY PROVOKE THE SITUATION.
DDDUUUHHHHHHHHHHHH , damn but you're not just a can short of a sixpack , you're a dozen short.
londonfog
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I'm going to sum this all without all the composing and scribing you seemingly are now fond of.. How a person votes does matter..and its a big difference between Dem's and Repub. Do you really need me to go into detail ???
I would actually love for all of us to hold hands and sing "Kumbaya", but hey I deal with reality and reality says the worlds not ready to sing together yet ( especially not Kumbaya). When it is and if I'm still alive I will more then happily sing along....until then I call it like I see it and never try to mask it.
oh and by the way..How one votes gets us these kind of laws that would have a person think that they can claim "stand your ground " in cases like Trayvan. So who you fuckin vote for does matter..
UncleBuck
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who initially provoked the situation?
would martin have done anything but go home and eat his skittles if zimmerman did not follow him?
since martin did not initially provoke the siuation, and by his own words, zimmerman did, section 776.041 applies.
zimmerman would only be covered if (a) zimmerman was afraid for his life AND exhausted every possible means of escape or (b) zimmerman retreated from the fight AND said as much.
now, this all assumes that trayvon was beating the living shit out of zimmerman, which is not established by anyone. it's complete fantasy that i am granting for the sake of argument.
since zimmerman certainly did not exhaust every means of escape as evidenced by the location of the murder, and was not retreating and calling a truce, as evidenced by the 911 tapes, he gets no protection under this law.
and for anyone saying zimmerman was catching a beating: shut the fuck up. you have ZERO evidence of this, and there is no evidence tat zimemrman was ever injured.
lol, anyone can read back on this thread and see that you and NLXSK brought the ugly racial nonsense in here, we were just fine before your sorry ass showed up.
UncleBuck
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lol, concerned citizen.
his pursuit of trayvon is what initially provoked the situation.
there is no way you can argue that trayvon was the aggressor in this situation. he was walking home with some fucking candy.
once you provoke the situation in this manner, you lose your ability to claim self defense except as 776.041 dictates.
take your la-la land fantasy logic and get the fuck out of here. or start talking about cars again. something more on your level here.
Canna Sylvan
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I'll sing Kumbaya with you, it's a catchy tune. Just change the lyrics to those which encompass everyone.
UncleBuck
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where did i say you insulted me? all i said was that you engage me on an insulting level intellectually. see below.