To catch a predator

Well, I certainly don't have sexual thoughts about twelve year olds.And yes, theyve had girls pretend to be that young.The guy sees a pic of a young girl, who then responds to his queries regarding sex,and what he'd like to do to her.This is where any person with half a fucking brain would say...whoa.But these dumbasses persist to the point of bringing dildoes,rubbers,handcuffs....one of them even came into the kitchen NAKED!If that's not intent, I don't know what is.Talking is one thing.Showing up is quite another.Showing up with sex toys and beer and lube and john holmes is something I don't even wanna think about.So they're lonely.....go get a hooker.Jack off.Get a legal girl. There are exceptions to the rule of age, I'll grant you...in SOME rare cases. But if you have so little control over your cock that you can't say no to the girl who asks for sex in the middle of telling you how her day at middle school went,then you've got problems.

tnrtinr said:

They are not "RAPERS" "Predators" or whatever nametag you want to give them to make yourself feel distant about their dirty thoughts.

I read the #1 "top slimy" guy off of the site.
http://www.perverted-justice.com/?archive=jkspeedster0112

If this were a person (kid) that was really offended, they would have closed the chat dialogue at any moment. But it wasn't, it was a decoy that played along well enough to keep the guys attention focused on them. The PJ decoy was admitting to past sexual history, being touched and jerking a guy off.

In others they discuss ad nauseam detail of the encounter, are given the address, and told what to bring. These are not guys kidnapping and raping - they are not family members that wear a kid down until they subvert. So what you are dealing with is consensual sex with a minor. Lets get that straight. Which is not rape - It is illegal under statutory rape laws but lets not mince words - IT IS NOT RAPE.

So what you have is two consenting adults in this case having a conversation under false pretenses. There is no minor involved and even if there were, it would be a consensual encounter.

Read the convictions - these guys dont even get a year in jail, some probation where they are back on the streets where the recidivism rate is extremely high.

Also I would expect PJ to be more professional and leave the anecdotes out of the margins.

p.s. I am happy to see that none of you have ever had an unpure thought, or a moment of weakness in the heat of the moment. The world needs more perfect people like you to pass judgement on those who are not a pure as yourself.

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And yeah, i read that transcript.He started the sexual conversation.

tnrtinr said:

They are not "RAPERS" "Predators" or whatever nametag you want to give them to make yourself feel distant about their dirty thoughts.

I read the #1 "top slimy" guy off of the site.
http://www.perverted-justice.com/?archive=jkspeedster0112

If this were a person (kid) that was really offended, they would have closed the chat dialogue at any moment. But it wasn't, it was a decoy that played along well enough to keep the guys attention focused on them. The PJ decoy was admitting to past sexual history, being touched and jerking a guy off.

In others they discuss ad nauseam detail of the encounter, are given the address, and told what to bring. These are not guys kidnapping and raping - they are not family members that wear a kid down until they subvert. So what you are dealing with is consensual sex with a minor. Lets get that straight. Which is not rape - It is illegal under statutory rape laws but lets not mince words - IT IS NOT RAPE.

So what you have is two consenting adults in this case having a conversation under false pretenses. There is no minor involved and even if there were, it would be a consensual encounter.

Read the convictions - these guys dont even get a year in jail, some probation where they are back on the streets where the recidivism rate is extremely high.

Also I would expect PJ to be more professional and leave the anecdotes out of the margins.

p.s. I am happy to see that none of you have ever had an unpure thought, or a moment of weakness in the heat of the moment. The world needs more perfect people like you to pass judgement on those who are not a pure as yourself.

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Seamaiden said:

Twisty hit on something that I don't think he quite intended to when he said that trying to treat pedophiles was like trying to treat homosexuals--their wiring's fucked. See, that's exactly it. So, like TF said, why don't we do this to everyone whose wiring is fucked?

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Because one is between two consenting adults, and the other is a life-altering form of child abuse?


It's not thought police, we're not calling for the blood of those whom think about it. (Imagine all the people we'd have to arrest if we arrested anyone who's ever thought sexually about Miley Cirus, or whatever her name is.)
It's about pursuing people who we could prove through IM's and objects found on the person, that they were going to screw a kid. A lot of the time, they even confess!

tnrtinr said:

They are not "RAPERS" "Predators" or whatever nametag you want to give them to make yourself feel distant about their dirty thoughts.

I read the #1 "top slimy" guy off of the site.
http://www.perverted-justice.com/?archive=jkspeedster0112

If this were a person (kid) that was really offended, they would have closed the chat dialogue at any moment. But it wasn't, it was a decoy that played along well enough to keep the guys attention focused on them. The PJ decoy was admitting to past sexual history, being touched and jerking a guy off.

In others they discuss ad nauseam detail of the encounter, are given the address, and told what to bring. These are not guys kidnapping and raping - they are not family members that wear a kid down until they subvert. So what you are dealing with is consensual sex with a minor. Lets get that straight. Which is not rape - It is illegal under statutory rape laws but lets not mince words - IT IS NOT RAPE.

So what you have is two consenting adults in this case having a conversation under false pretenses. There is no minor involved and even if there were, it would be a consensual encounter.

Read the convictions - these guys dont even get a year in jail, some probation where they are back on the streets where the recidivism rate is extremely high.

Also I would expect PJ to be more professional and leave the anecdotes out of the margins.

p.s. I am happy to see that none of you have ever had an unpure thought, or a moment of weakness in the heat of the moment. The world needs more perfect people like you to pass judgement on those who are not a pure as yourself.

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Children are not capable of always making the right decisions on their own. Thats why we have laws in place. To protect those that cannot make an educated or right decision.

40acres said:

Children are not capable of always making the right decisions on their own. Thats why we have laws in place. To protect those that cannot make an educated or right decision.

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Agreed, and they don't always want what's best for them. Children see sex as a form of love. How does the talk always start? "When a man and a women love each other very much..."
So, children who offer sex don't always do so because they want sex, especially not 12 year-olds. They want the things they feel sex represents, relationships, bonding, love and attention.
As children they can't be held responsible for asking for what's best for them, so it becomes the responsibility of the adult to do so. If they're not willing to act responsibility, they can choose not to interact with the child at all.

These guys have every chance NOT to get arrested, stop IMing once you realize the kid is underage, don't speak to them about sexual stuff, DON'T DRIVE TO THEIR HOUSE, don't come into the house with a bag full of sex items you just bought from the store.

How else are we supposed to weed these guys out? Children generally don't tell because, a)They think people will blame them. b)The molester has threatened them not to. c)They think no one will believe them.

How do you fight an enemy with a silent victim?

EarthlyPassions said:

Because one is between two consenting adults, and the other is a life-altering form of child abuse?

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Tell that to the fucked up brain, EP. That's the point. How many other types of sexual addicts are there? A lot. Don't you folks think that if they could choose to not be aroused and so motivated that this is what they would do? Would you try to convince me that any of your gay friends never think that, if they had a choice about their homosexuality they might choose not to be? Considering how many people think of gays, and many people put them on exactly the same level as pedophiles, I can't say I'd blame them for wanting to even have a choice. That is my whole argument/stance. We cannot control what turns us on and what turns us off.

It's not thought police, we're not calling for the blood of those whom think about it. (Imagine all the people we'd have to arrest if we arrested anyone who's ever thought sexually about Miley Cirus, or whatever her name is.)
It's about pursuing people who we could prove through IM's and objects found on the person, that they were going to screw a kid. A lot of the time, they even confess!

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Some people are calling for what is very much a form of thought police.

Ok, well this is a harsh opinion, but it is mine own.Child molesters do harm.Not homosexuals, not folks with run of the mill fetishes.I have no sympathy for child molesters, and since natural selection doesn't seem to be weeding them out fast enough, I'm all for the death penalty for them.If they think but don't act, fiiiine and dandy.But once they make a move, they should be apprehended.I don't want a window into another person's mind.I just want them to keep the hell away from my children.

Seamaiden said:

Tell that to the fucked up brain, EP. That's the point. How many other types of sexual addicts are there? A lot. Don't you folks think that if they could choose to not be aroused and so motivated that this is what they would do? Would you try to convince me that any of your gay friends never think that, if they had a choice about their homosexuality they might choose not to be? Considering how many people think of gays, and many people put them on exactly the same level as pedophiles, I can't say I'd blame them for wanting to even have a choice. That is my whole argument/stance. We cannot control what turns us on and what turns us off.

Some people are calling for what is very much a form of thought police.

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Stoney McFried said:

Ok, well this is a harsh opinion, but it is mine own.Child molesters do harm.Not homosexuals, not folks with run of the mill fetishes.I have no sympathy for child molesters, and since natural selection doesn't seem to be weeding them out fast enough, I'm all for the death penalty for them.If they think but don't act, fiiiine and dandy.But once they make a move, they should be apprehended.I don't want a window into another person's mind.I just want them to keep the hell away from my children.

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And my point to you and a whole lot of others is that many people view simple homosexuality in exactly the same light.

My point is also that no one can help what.. oh, forget about it. Nevermind. People don't think with their emotions, and that's what's happening here.

Seamaiden said:

Would you try to convince me that any of your gay friends never think that, if they had a choice about their homosexuality they might choose not to be? Considering how many people think of gays, and many people put them on exactly the same level as pedophiles, I can't say I'd blame them for wanting to even have a choice.

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I dont know about this because I have a few friends who are gay and they used to be with both men and women and they chose to be with only men at a certain point. It was a choice they made so I cant exactly say that gay people dont have a choice.... maybe some but not all.

I guess what I'm trying to say...homosexuality is about sexual preference for a person of the same sex. Now, pedophilia IS about preferring children, but there's also that fucked up power and hurt thing they like, just like rapists.Their penis, finger, insert body part is a WEAPON.Damaging,like a knife in the hands of a psychopath.Let's have somebody talk about How they want to kill someone, and see how quickly they get locked up. We are way too soft on sex offenders.

Seamaiden said:

And my point to you and a whole lot of others is that many people view simple homosexuality in exactly the same light.

My point is also that no one can help what.. oh, forget about it. Nevermind. People don't think with their emotions, and that's what's happening here.

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Seamaiden said:

And my point to you and a whole lot of others is that many people view simple homosexuality in exactly the same light.

My point is also that no one can help what.. oh, forget about it. Nevermind. People don't think with their emotions, and that's what's happening here.

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I see your point.
My dad is a big "they can't reproduce, so they have to recruit" anti-gay person. There's no talking him down from it, no reasoning with him. It's frustrating as hell that he won't accept me, and I know for damn sure that I didn't CHOOSE to be this way. I spent the first few months trying to change it, then I saw the success numbers, and the suicide rates of other gays that have tried.

My point lies in that they make a choice that they know is wrong, they know it will hurt the development of a child. Yet they still drive to the victim's house.
No one can choose what they're attracted to. But they CAN choose whether or not they act on that attraction.

Has anyone here seen the movie hard candy..? If not you should that movie is so bad ass especially the ending.. Mother fucker gets castrated in that movie.. ..

Seamaiden said:

And my point to you and a whole lot of others is that many people view simple homosexuality in exactly the same light.

My point is also that no one can help what.. oh, forget about it. Nevermind. People don't think with their emotions, and that's what's happening here.

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Homosexuality is between two ADULTS. The fucked up brain of a pedophile should be terminated.

I am not condoning the behavior. I just think the method to "catch" them is wrong.

I have intended to do a lot of things in my life that I haven't followed through with, one of which being being having sex with a girl I met online (legal age). We talked about what we both wanted online, I got to her house, sat on the couch, had a few drinks, she went to get ready, came out in only bra and panties and I couldn't do it and I just left.

I have been ready to fight, steal, take advantage of someone, cheat or do something that I would be ashamed of and that voice inside of me stopped me right before (literally up to the moment before) I have done it. Should I have been arrested or punished for all of my intended behaviors?

Seamaiden said:

And my point to you and a whole lot of others is that many people view simple homosexuality in exactly the same light.

My point is also that no one can help what.. oh, forget about it. Nevermind. People don't think with their emotions, and that's what's happening here.

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If it makes you feel any better I understand what you are saying 100%.

I never saw it that way until my college human sexuality teacher explained attraction templates.

They see kids like I see my wife. They cant change that, just like I cant change what turns me on. Part of the reason that recidivism is so high with pedophiles is because you cannot change what those people find attractive. I just dont see men, kids, teens, etc. attractive. Nothing will change that about me like it wont change with them.

Well we could cut the ears and noses off of pedophiles. They should rename the show to to catch a pedophile. Why predator? It makes me think of predator. Him and alien rule.

I have to say I think they should kill all of them nasty fucks.

tnrtinr said:

If it makes you feel any better I understand what you are saying 100%.

I never saw it that way until my college human sexuality teacher explained attraction templates.

They see kids like I see my wife. They cant change that, just like I cant change what turns me on. Part of the reason that recidivism is so high with pedophiles is because you cannot change what those people find attractive. I just dont see men, kids, teens, etc. attractive. Nothing will change that about me like it wont change with them.

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No, they can't change what they find attractive, but they can choose not to act on it. CHOICE, CHOICE, responsibility IS a factor in this. They can choose not to have sex with what they are attracted to, because screwing children is wrong.
No matter how little choice they have in being a pedophile, there is still a choice in what they do.

Look, just because it's popular opinion that pedophiles should be punished for their actions, it doesn't make it a mob mentality to agree. Mob mentality is when you agree because everyone else is agreeing. Not when you agree because it's true.

Now, I'll admit, the whole "torture them" seems brutal and inhumane, but you have to take into account the amount of damage this sort of... behavior, does to kids.
It's more than stealing, cheating, or lying, it's not someone's bank account. It's someone's life being severely effected, early on, by a traumatic event, inflicted for someone else's pleasure. They have to endure a complete loss of control over what happens to them, to a person that seeks to do them harm. While the criminal, if they are caught, serves 25 years. The child has to live the rest of their life coping with what happened to them.

How do you punish that? How do you give them an equal measure of displeasure within humane terms?
Life sentence is the only answer I can reply, or Death, no specifics, no fancy torture, the same death any prisoner would get, minus the part where they can choose their last meal. Because dammit, the don't deserve a freaking lobster.
I think it'd be a nice touch if the victim can have an option of watching. Death sentences tend to take a while, if the criminal tries to fight it. While the kid gets older he or she might find comfort in solid proof that the person who hurt them is dead, and can never hurt them again.

YouTube - Wang Wang

wang wang, "once got picked-up by a ped-o-file" filthy little indian retard LOL!