This is why we won!

tangerinegreen555

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So this young man has a cow and works hard his whole life and acquires a second one....

So this young man moves to a new home and finds a cow some one had abandoned and nurtures it and gets it healthy again, and keeps it with his other cow.....

So this young man inherits two cows from his father who had worked hard his whole life to acquire two cows to be able to take care of his family in the future.....

....and as he is tending to his cows a Republican/Democrat walks up and says, "Hey man I see instead of having one cow you have two. Give me the produce of one of the cows so I can give it to other people who are not as fortunate as yourself". Even though everyone was given a cow to start out with.
A few moments later a Socialist walks up and says, " Hey man I see you have two cows instead of one and that's not fair to everyone else because we only have one, so I need to take your cow and give it to some one less fortunate than you. No one needs that many cows and everyone should be equal right"?
A few moments later a Communist walks up and says, "Hey man how do you have two cows? That's not right. Everyone else has only one cow, you must have stolen or screwed someone out of that one. I am going to take both your cows because you can't be trusted and give you and the people you obviously stole from or screwed over what I think is fair.
A few moments later a Fascist walks up and kills the young man and takes his cows for the good of the people.

The people get so used to living on the free milk provided, that they didn't work for, they forget how to tend cows and the person who controls all the cows is able to easily control the people.

The young man wakes up from his bad dream, happy that the founders gave him a Constitution to keep his nightmare from becoming reality.

A lot of posters I have seen on this politics forum and around the world, fall into one of the above four categories and are exactly what the founders of this country warned you about and protected you against with the Constitution. Its on full display here and through the violent protests we have seen on TV . Too bad (insert sarcasm) the freedom loving people of this country finally woke up and saw what you were trying to do and finally stood up and took their country back. You can insert BREXIT here as well. We do not have to like Trump, we do not agree with everything Trump says or does, I personally can not stand the blow hard and wish every day its was anyone but him, but at least we know he will accomplish the task of beating back the Republican and Democrat Socialist Communist Fascists, and keep them from taking over our country, and when I say "our country" I mean all freedom loving Americans regardless of race, religion, economic background, or country of origin.

Let me show you how they will try to silence you from saying what you know is right and how they shut down any opposition as they grab more and more of your freedom. Google it and see for yourself. It has been on display for years now for all to see. Keep in mind who was described as the "Greatest Community Organizer". One of the more vocal posters, the voice of reason (insert sarcasm) on this forum wrote, that the Unites States are the Terrorists, that we are the Enemy, just like the Empire in Star Wars

RULES FOR RADICALS by Saul Alinsky
  1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
  2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
  3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
  4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
  5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
  6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
  7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
  8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
  9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
  10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.
  11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
  12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
  13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
How coincidental, by the way, the Patriots won the Super Bowl. How can you not enjoy a great football game regardless of being a fan of the game or which team you were cheering for? That's just un-American.
TL;DR

Did you mention alternative facts, Russian hacking, 46.1% of the vote, the 2.9 million popular vote deficit or your own pathetic stupidity?

Just wondering, still not going to read.

#factlesspropagandasuckslikeyou
 

squarepush3r

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no, that was bush. obama only ever reduced the deficit that bush left to him after inheriting a surplus.

facts suck, huh?
hate to break the bad news for you

http://2oqz471sa19h3vbwa53m33yj.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/us-debt-ceiling-chart.jpg

this image is 1-2 yrs old, it goes up to almost $20 Trillion right when Obama leaves currently. Tell me again how Democrats are so fiscally responsible?

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/download-remote-images/www.pewresearch.org/146936497750/budget-ceiling.png

Rollitup is not allowing images apparently, so you can click them if you want to get educated, or wallow in ignorance, doesn't matter by me.
 
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PCXV

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hate to break the bad news for you

http://2oqz471sa19h3vbwa53m33yj.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/us-debt-ceiling-chart.jpg

this image is 1-2 yrs old, it goes up to almost $20 Trillion right when Obama leaves currently. Tell me again how Democrats are so fiscally responsible?

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/download-remote-images/www.pewresearch.org/146936497750/budget-ceiling.png

Rollitup is not allowing images apparently, so you can click them if you want to get educated, or wallow in ignorance, doesn't matter by me.
Are we really going through this again? Obama inherited a trashed economy. As millions of people lost their jobs and homes and millions more lost their savings and investments, tax revenue naturally, hugely declined. Millions of people went on government social programs which increased government spending. Add the bailouts and our $1 Trillion per year Defense budget, and only a fucking complete moron would blame it on Obama. Only a bigger moron wouldn't give Obama some credit for returning us to low inflation and huge economic gains, even if those gains largely went to a few people at the top.
 

ttystikk

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Are we really going through this again? Obama inherited a trashed economy. As millions of people lost their jobs and homes and millions more lost their savings and investments, tax revenue naturally, hugely declined. Millions of people went on government social programs which increased government spending. Add the bailouts and our $1 Trillion per year Defense budget, and only a fucking complete moron would blame it on Obama. Only a bigger moron wouldn't give Obama some credit for returning us to low inflation and huge economic gains, even if those gains largely went to a few people at the top.
He just wants to stick his stat where the sun don't shine.

The light of reason never seems to illuminate the darkened crevices of his twisted perspective.
 

squarepush3r

Well-Known Member
Are we really going through this again? Obama inherited a trashed economy. As millions of people lost their jobs and homes and millions more lost their savings and investments, tax revenue naturally, hugely declined. Millions of people went on government social programs which increased government spending. Add the bailouts and our $1 Trillion per year Defense budget, and only a fucking complete moron would blame it on Obama. Only a bigger moron wouldn't give Obama some credit for returning us to low inflation and huge economic gains, even if those gains largely went to a few people at the top.
So here is your logic, you are basically saying.
Obama was ineffective and powerless in 8 years, and increased the debt $10 Trillion (the most on record by far), because Bush.
So then following your stellar logic, wouldn't it be fair to say that Bush can't be blamed either, and he should defer to his predecessor? And so on ad infinitum.

So literally the president doesn't do anything or control anything with regards to debt.

Do you praise $10 Trillion in added debt as an accomplishment for Obama?
 

ttystikk

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So here is your logic, you are basically saying.
Obama was ineffective and powerless in 8 years, and increased the debt $10 Trillion (the most on record by far), because Bush.
So then following your stellar logic, wouldn't it be fair to say that Bush can't be blamed either, and he should defer to his predecessor? And so on ad infinitum.

So literally the president doesn't do anything or control anything with regards to debt.

Do you praise $10 Trillion in added debt as an accomplishment for Obama?
"We're going to oppose everything Mr Obama does to make sure he's a one term president." -Mitch McConnell

So you're saying that Republican oppositionism had nothing to do with it?

Please stop being such a tool of the right. They laugh at you unless you're one of them, meaning earning over a million a year. And you DEFINITELY aren't one of those.

You got shagged.
 

UncleBuck

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Tell me again how Democrats are so fiscally responsible?
because when democrats leave office, the deficit is either lowered (by over a trillion under obama) or completely erased (clinton left a surplus) but when republicans leave office, it is with a record deficit (see bush) even after being left a surplus.

not a penny of the debt compiled under obama was his fault. it was literally all due to the deficits left to him by his republican predecessor.
 

PCXV

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So here is your logic, you are basically saying.
Obama was ineffective and powerless in 8 years, and increased the debt $10 Trillion (the most on record by far), because Bush.
So then following your stellar logic, wouldn't it be fair to say that Bush can't be blamed either, and he should defer to his predecessor? And so on ad infinitum.

So literally the president doesn't do anything or control anything with regards to debt.

Do you praise $10 Trillion in added debt as an accomplishment for Obama?
No, the argument is that some measures Obama took or tried to take helped the economic recovery. That argument considers both policy succesess, failures, and results inbetween, the political environment of obstruction and extreme partisanship, and the extent to which Obama was even involved in creating policy or swaying public opinion. How can anyone seriously attribute the national debt to solely the president?

The real spending power lies with Congress, so if you are looking to what happened during and after recovery, you are talking about a majority Republican congress. Were they ineffective and powerless?

About half of the $10 trillion is from the Recession. George Bush is not synonymous with the Recession. While I would argue Republicans have always taken the lead and have been the key sponsors, efforts to deregulate, erode workers conditions, enable outsourcing, gutting government, and destroy tax revenue have been done in a bi-partisan fashion in the last 40 years.
 

ttystikk

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While I would argue Republicans have always taken the lead and have been the key sponsors, efforts to deregulate, erode workers conditions, enable outsourcing, gutting government, and destroy tax revenue have been done in a bi-partisan fashion in the last 40 years.
:hump::hump::hump::hump:
:clap::clap::clap::clap:

So how do we stop this vicious cycle of class warfare against our middle classes?
 

TacoMac

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Number of times Obama raised the debt ceiling: 7

Number of times Ronald Reagan raised the debt ceiling: 18

Number of times George W. Bush raised the debt ceiling: 14
 

Justin-case

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Number of times Obama raised the debt ceiling: 7

Number of times Ronald Reagan raised the debt ceiling: 18

Number of times George W. Bush raised the debt ceiling: 14

Number of years it takes for a trumtard to forget about all that : 8
 

chemphlegm

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"George Washington is the only president who didn't blame the previous administration for his troubles."
 

Unclebaldrick

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"George Washington is the only president who didn't blame the previous administration for his troubles."
Let's say Bob and his 2 brothers jointly own a car. Their schedules mean they are rarely in town at the same time so sharing one car works pretty well. Bob uses the car for a week and then goes out of town. When he leaves, the car is in good working order. Bob's brother Spandy uses the car for a week and gets into a drunk driving accident resulting in a smashed front end. Nevertheless, he leaves the car for the third brother, Finshaggy, without comment. Finshaggy sees the car and says "what did you do to the car, Spandy?" Spandy, being a semi-moron says "if it is my fault, then it must be Bob's, ad inifitum."

Can you spot the flaw in Spandy's "logic"?
 
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