Third Grow: Skywalker, OG, and Powerskunk

Damios said:

omg did you really reply to this thread with two different accounts.....

And in the beginning of this thread was the first time I have ever worked with skywalker so I expected it to yield more than the Og....it ended up not, so this is what I am saying now.

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Not to mention your mixing up hybrids with phenotypes, they are two seperate things.

You got one part right "A phenotype is a plant variation in a particular strain which affects things like yield, appearance, trichome production etc" but these changes are caused by the environment the plant is grown in.

A phenotype is the same strain but its characteristics change (of the plant and how it grows, as well as the final product) based on the grow environment. Over the years after so many people have grown Og in shitty environments, cloned them, and resold them, there are a LOT of shitty Og phenotypes out there. There is no way that the Og around today is the exact same pheno as the one back in the day, its simply impossible because the strain would have had to have been grown in the same environment this entire time. Everyones grow room is different creating a different environment creating different phenos. What the fuck are you even replying to these posts over and over again for other than to be a dick and make it look like your "serving me" or some shit, your just looking like an asshole acting like I'm amatuer when you barely have 50 posts and havn't really said much of anything to prove that you know anything. To me it looks like you got something to proove, besides the only reason I responded to your original post is because I thought it was funny that you said "Dutch passion sells skywalker" because Growtech already knows that....and you can type skywalker strain into google and the only thing that comes up is Dutch Passion because its their strain. Plus I doubt that Growtech needs your help, nor would he want it from someone who goes around calling people "fkn amatuers" when theres no proof that you aren't just one yourself.

Bro were just running around in circles now-You dont know the meaning of the word phenotype bro-its cool-you are just misinformed.Go ask any one of your grow mentors that you trust-Your just embarassing yourself dude-Im over getting into a heated discussion about it on a forum of all places

skywalker1 said:

Bro were just running around in circles now-You dont know the meaning of the word phenotype bro-its cool-you are just misinformed.Go ask any one of your grow mentors that you trust-Your just embarassing yourself dude-Im over getting into a heated discussion about it on a forum of all places

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QUOTE FROM WIKIPEDIA. I'm done.

A phenotype is any observable characteristic or trait of an organism: such as its morphology, development, biochemical or physiological properties, or behavior. Phenotypes result from the expression of an organism's genes as well as the influence of environmental factors and possible interactions between the two.

nice wiki definition-how does that relate to your claim that OG has changed over the years because of how it was grown?Genetics dont change because somebody grows the plant a certain way-the only thing that happens is that particular plant gets f-d up.OG came from one plant, and to this day there is only one phenotype.

for example, certain plants will genetically be pre-determined to have more sativa or indica characteristics. The definition you posted is very broad- The one i just described relates to cannabis.

Btw-just read the full description of your wiki definition-When they say environmental influences, theyre talking about physical phenotypes, like the patterns on the clams they have posted lol-The cannabis phenotype is a biological phenotype-Its hereditary.(ie, some dude growing OG in a 95 degree closet isnt going to create a new phenotype, forever ruining the unique genes of OG kush.

skywalker1 said:

Btw-just read the full description of your wiki definition-When they say environmental influences, theyre talking about physical phenotypes, like the patterns on the clams they have posted lol-The cannabis phenotype is a biological phenotype-Its hereditary.(ie, some dude growing OG in a 95 degree closet isnt going to create a new phenotype, forever ruining the unique genes of OG kush.

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What do you think I'm talking about....weed isn't physical?

Damios said:

What do you think I'm talking about....weed isn't physical?

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And I didn't say that the genetics get fucked up, I said the phenotype changes, an that is true. NO shit the genetics never change, the Og that was here 30 years ago is that same OG to date no doubt, but there are hundreds of variations now because of all the different environments that it has been subjegated to.

so just so i understand you correctly-a guy grows a plant in poor environmental conditions, clones it, sells it to the club, somebody buys it, grows it out and it doesnt do too well-his yield is affected, the plant looks like shit etc.your saying this is a new phenotype?

Damios said:

And I didn't say that the genetics get fucked up, I said the phenotype changes, an that is true. NO shit the genetics never change, the Og that was here 30 years ago is that same OG to date no doubt, but there are hundreds of variations now because of all the different environments that it has been subjegated to.

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I'm not talking about biological phenotypes, I'm talking about physical phenotypes.

there is no such thing as physical phenotypes-because physical phenotypes cant be passed down-only genetic, biological phenotypes can.these "variations" that your referring to are not phenotypes.Explain to me how physical "phenotypes", are passed down to other clones? clones taken from these physically affected "phenotypes?"

A man breaks his arm. He gets his wife pregnant the next day. When the kid is born....its born with a broken or deformed arm?


Damios just stop now..

Damios said:

And I didn't say that the genetics get fucked up, I said the phenotype changes, an that is true. NO shit the genetics never change, the Og that was here 30 years ago is that same OG to date no doubt, but there are hundreds of variations now because of all the different environments that it has been subjegated to.

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yet another testament to pot smoking rendering a person retarded..

skywalker1 said:

yet another testament to pot smoking rendering a person retarded..

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Ok in terms of looking at it like that, no there is only one phenotype of Og. I'm trying to say the final outcome as a phenotype of weed. There are hundreds of different phenotypes of Og weed.

I walk into a club and there is 10 different kinds of Og in terms of each one looks different and has different characteristics while all still being the same strain of Og. They all look different because they are all different phenotypes are they not? they were all grown in different environments causing them to all grow in a certain way to create certain final products that are all Og but yet all of them are unique.

The plant's genetics are always the same, I know that, but there ARE different pheno's of Og weed, just not plants.

I think this is where I am confusing myself and you with what I type. Your right that would be retarded for the genetics to get fucked up from one person growing it badly.

Yes all Og comes from clone from way back in the day. You would only get different physical phenotypes if there was multipkle seeds that the Og came from. Assuming that they all came from one seed then they are all the same phenotype in terms of biological genetics and at the BEGINNING of everyones grow they are the same, but NOT AT THE END. Although yes if nothing biologically changes the plant before you change it then the pheno will stay the same genetically so that everytime you grow it it has the same potential, but physically the weed that comes out at the end EVERYTIME is a different phenotype becuase unless everyone uses the same grow room in the world then everytime it is grown it is subjegated to a new enviornment.

I obviously display intelligence, I just figured that after 30 years of thousands of people growing it in thousands of of different environments that there would be some biological change down the line. Either way, I was only wrong about that part so don't look at me like I'm some fucking idiot when there are different final phenotypes of Og in terms of the outcome. You know that every single sack of Og you have ever bought is NOT the same.

BTW not once did I label you as a fucking idiot, fucking amatuer, or a fucking retard. This website is supposed to friendly exchange information on an intelligent level and you didn't display anything near that. If I was a site admin I would have warned you for sure already. Next time you don't have to try and proove how you much of a "fucking amatuer" I am and simply explain in one paragraph if your capable: "Different plant phenotypes can only come from different seeds, since Og all comes from one mother plant from back in the day, then they are all the same phenotype plant wise." See how simple that was....instead you come out trying to rail me about how much of an idiot I am. If anything it just makes you look like an ass if you have barely 50 posts and instead of trying to help someone out you act like you know everything. You can proove that you know things without trying to proove that other people know nothing.

Chill out man, maybe you don't smoke enough weed......anyways thanks for enlightening me about the plant pheno thing. Am I not a "fucking amatuer" now or do I have to read your book, please send it to me if you can. Thanks.

Bro the reason I was being such a dick, is cus you were getting all aggro about my telling someone where to buy Skywalker seeds-(after my first post)I guess you think you know so much about growing that you got offended that someone wouldnt just assume you already knew where to get them.-Exactly,the forums for helping people out, which is all i was trying to do.Then you chime in, and the conversation evolved into this-However instead of a civilized debate with a real grower, turned out i was just rapping with some newb with an attitude about his wild theories of what a phenotype is and the genetics of OG kush.Which, by the way, some of your posts on here were classic-some of the most ridiculous ideas Ive ever come across.Lastly, Im glad you finally admit you dont understand the subject your trying to debate-I wouldnt have been so relentless if you werent such a dick, but nothing is worse than a newb dick of massive proportions and it had to be addressed.Lastly-what your referring to about picking up a sack from the club and because it looks or smells different its a new OG pheno is wrong again-all that happened is you picked up some shitty weed.A phenotype is genetic dude, period.Yes, your still an amateur, but a more humble one-Dont be such an asshole(especially if you cant back it up) and people wouldnt ruin you like this.Peace.

skywalker1 said:

Bro the reason I was being such a dick, is cus you were getting all aggro about my telling someone where to buy Skywalker seeds-(after my first post)I guess you think you know so much about growing that you got offended that someone wouldnt just assume you already knew where to get them.-Exactly,the forums for helping people out, which is all i was trying to do.Then you chime in, and the conversation evolved into this-However instead of a civilized debate with a real grower, turned out i was just rapping with some newb with an attitude about his wild theories of what a phenotype is and the genetics of OG kush.Which, by the way, some of your posts on here were classic-some of the most ridiculous ideas Ive ever come across.Lastly, Im glad you finally admit you dont understand the subject your trying to debate-I wouldnt have been so relentless if you werent such a dick, but nothing is worse than a newb dick of massive proportions and it had to be addressed.Lastly-what your referring to about picking up a sack from the club and because it looks or smells different its a new OG pheno is wrong again-all that happened is you picked up some shitty weed.A phenotype is genetic dude, period.Yes, your still an amateur, but a more humble one-Dont be such an asshole(especially if you cant back it up) and people wouldnt ruin you like this.Peace.

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Well cool, now that you have explained it, then I guess I know what a phenotype is now. Your right if I don't have info to back that up then I shouldn't have stood by it. I read more into it, and I understand now that a phenotype is "The genotype-phenotype distinction is drawn in genetics. "Genotype" is an organism's full hereditary information, even if not expressed. "Phenotype" is an organism's actual observed properties, such as morphology, development, or behavior. This distinction is fundamental in the study of inheritance of traits and their evolution."

So yes, again I am sorry that I tryed to act like I had documented info about my idea of a phenotype and yes I should have read more about it before I ran my mouth. From now on I will be sure to do that because otherwise I look like a dumbass and not to mention it was just rude.

You can never stop learning and I thank you for telling me that I was wrong because now if I talk about phenotypes, I will be right because of the information you gave me. When it comes to growing weed none of this shit matters unless you want to get into strain crossing or breeding though for the most part. I could have told you that I'm below amatuer when it comes to that stuff so the fact that I was trying to argue about something that I don't even really know that well is dumb, your right.

I appologize for being a dick in the beginning post because your right if someone said something that I know isn't right then I would try to tell them too. I can't believe that you actually took that much time to tell me what a phenotype is, and now that I think about it it was nice of you to do considering you could have just stopped responding and left it at "this guy doesn't know shit." Instead you continued the conversation to show me what was right, which is cool.

What you prooved is that I am a amatuer when it comes to plant physiology though, so if you could back off a little with the amatuer remarks that would be cool.

Believe me, I know plenty about growing, and not even just weed.

But all trimming and spacing techniques: topping, FIM, thinning, LST, supercropping, have tried them all with success.

I run 50% nutrient formulas, and they work way better than normal formulas. I fluctuate my PH on purpose so the plants get the entire range of nutrients.

I grow aeroponically, which is anything but simple compared to soil. I will post pictures later today of my setup, I think you would appreciate it considering it is all hand built.

I keep the climate as steady as possible (as well as water temp, with a chiller) so that the stomas are open as much as possible during lights on so that the plants are working as much as possible.

Funny because people don't know that you can yield the same if not more from a smaller setup with perfect conditions than a huge setup with thousands of watts and out of wack conditions.

I assume you know everything I just said, because everything I just said is shit that all growers should know and yet most "amatuers" don't. So please, again, I am sorry for being a dick in the beginning and to be totally honest I was having a bad day that day after having a huge fight with family and my gf over a very sick grandfather, no excuse, but still. Also at no point was I trying to be offensive to you, was just trying to defend my point (which was wrong, so that was dumb) but you can't help it if someone wants to defend what they think they know. The thing is that I'm not iggnorant when it comes to accepting that I'm wrong, because I know that is the only thing that will lead you to being right. I also don't mind admitting that I'm wrong because I'm not insecure about my intelligence.

I didn't mean to waist your time also and thats why I said thanks for taking the time to explain the phenotype thing when you could have just left. I like to argue, but it is always in a learning matter, either I teach someone something or they teach me something. It isn't with the idea in mind to make the person look like in idiot in hopes of making myself look smarter, and that is the complete truth.

So I hope that we can drop this and leave as friends, like I said, there is always more to learn from people (even if you may think what I know is all bullshit).

If you want to talk about other stuff then I would be glad, but only if it is with mutual respect, which is obviously what neither of us had in the beginning of this conversation. Hopefully after this post you will look at me differently, which is what I would like. I mean overlook that I was defending a point that wasn't true and consider my manner of how I responded in this post and I think you will know whether I am some dumbshit amatuer or not.

Anyways, have a good day, ttyl.

Damios, i saw your setup on page 7...thats a VERY nice setup!

If i knew how to give rep id give you some. That was a legit response to end all this.

VaporBros said:

Damios, i saw your setup on page 7...thats a VERY nice setup!

If i knew how to give rep id give you some. That was a legit response to end all this.

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Thanks a lot man, that is my old setup though, my new setup kicks the shit out of that one. Worked my ass off to make it as contained as possible, also I changed some stuff around like only using Co2 for veg because I heard it reduces potency if used during flowering. I'm working on finishing it today and will post some pictures later with the new batch of plants. Ttyl.

Check out the new grow setup and journal.

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/152596-aeroponic-nft-skywalker-grow.html#post1949052

whats this skywalker stuff with blueberry? the clone only in south cali for the last 5 years is a sativa dominant kush, clone only strain, it's nutty!!! but i see this skywalker with blueberry x maz that sounds good but it's def not the skywalker, the house reeking earthy, smokey, sour and skunky smelling skywalker from south cali.... hmmmm i'm sitting on a grip of it right..