The Weed Nerd~

Ccoastal said:

i personally think LED tech has come a long ways, but has a ways to go yet. once they nail down a comparable heat/lumens to HPS i will be more interested, but for now i will wait until the heat issues are fixed, along with some more output

Ccoastal

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It is all out there currently you just have to weed out A LOT of junk. But I agree big steps are about to be made.
Lumens are for humans, PAR is for plants.

Ccoastal said:

i personally think LED tech has come a long ways, but has a ways to go yet. once they nail down a comparable heat/lumens to HPS i will be more interested, but for now i will wait until the heat issues are fixed, along with some more output

Ccoastal

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Don't wanna do a bit debate in the nerd thread but I'm not sure where you're coming from on either of those -- LEDs have a much lower heat factor than comparable HPS (I run 1440w in a room with just a/c - try that with HPS?) Not sure what bumping up lumens is going to do other than penetration, which isn't an issue for those doing flat canopy grows. They're not for everyone though. I doubt they'll ever replace HPS but who knows maybe someday. I'll post followups at harvest

in every side by side i have seen with LED's vs HID lighting , the LED's fails to match the yield or the HID. and they also seemed to test lower cannabinoid wise. something about lack of variety of spectrum leading to lack of terpenoid and cannabinoid development? i bet even with a flat canopy grow, yield would increase with the correct HID's. but to each nerd his own!

Notice I never said LEDs would outyield HPS. I only said they work, which was the question. I'm not sure I believe your terpene comment most people whose side by sides I've read says the LEDs put out more terpenes and resin than HPS. As far as cannabinoids I'm not sure I can believe that only based on personal experience -- if something definitive or scientific comes out that says otherwise, i'm more than willing to believe but most of the HPS vs LED actual comparisons I've read LED has held it's own very well and I have seen LED grows that beat HPS on a g/watt basis. My last all LED grow outperformed every HPS grow I've ever had (including on yield -- granted I never did a super soil hps grow before) -- if I duplicate the same results this time I'm not going back. I'll just have to settle for big yields of dank while people online think LEDs don't work

aren't LEDs way more expensive
ReefBongwell what did all those LEDs cost you if you don't mind me asking

Both good points....

I blew around 3000 on 5 blackstar 600 led's. needless to say I went back to 1000w hps. Lower temps with the HPS and bigger fatter bud.

Actually id say leds have a bigger light spectrum then hids, esp. Since theyve come so far.. Ive used t5 hid and leds for saltwater aquariums and coral need a good light spectrum . As far as leds putting off more heat then hps, I doubt that's true leds have very little heat output compared to others I would say. At least in my experience. I'll have to look it up but leds may be so expensive because there called "grow lights".. curious to compare the price those with aquarium led ones which are the same pretty much.

oceansider said:

Any Nerds out there running Mickey Kush???? I got 5 out of 5 sprouted from the test pack i got at the cannabis cup 2 and a half weeks in veg from running right now and was just wondering what other peoples look like I will put my pictures up as soon as I learn how to do so with my new camera (Cannon Rebel t2i). I just bought it last week and haven't really had time to play with it to much so hopefully I figure it out soon so I can share these with every one

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I am going to run some this summer

FYI LA nerds some of Sub's own Space Bomb has made it to LA, you can find some at Buds n Roses in Studio city. Tell them TC sent ya

They also have some Jesus OG seeds in stock, get them while they last

T

Oh to live in LA... Or next to it.

I think I hear Cali calling... somedayyy.

yer not a yooper are ye

jaydub13 said:

Oh to live in LA... Or next to it.

I think I hear Cali calling... somedayyy.

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I've personally done hps vs led grow with the same Plushberry clones, I yielded much more dense and a lil better quality bud with the hps. I had 2 black star 240s vs 1 400w HPS so that's pretty comparable .. Needless to say I sold both black stars and picked up another 400. Haven't had any problems with yield or quality since.. If you grow dank weed with LEDS, respect.. Just not my cup of tea.

In other news, picked up a pack of Agent Orange and Jacks Cleaner 2! My collection is really stocking up with TGA!

Wolf

You guys need to get those jesus og to someone that will ship them PLEASE

TCurtiss said:

I am going to run some this summer

FYI LA nerds some of Sub's own Space Bomb has made it to LA, you can find some at Buds n Roses in Studio city. Tell them TC sent ya

They also have some Jesus OG seeds in stock, get them while they last

T

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tusseltussel said:

yer not a yooper are ye

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I'm not followin', duder.

must not be then.... they call people that live in the upper peninsula of michigan yoopers and people that live below the bridge trolls...

jaydub13 said:

I'm not followin', duder.

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I'm not shore who "they" are but thats what their called

No offense to anyone using them(sometimes I see real nice grows...reef), but I don't think of blackstars as one of the better LED's on the market. I said that you have to weed through a lot of shit to find the good ones. I think price is one of the biggest deterrents from trying. you can try things that are $1000. The good ones cost an arm and a leg...but that should be changing soon.
I like the idea of going watt for watt when testing side by side hps vs led. I'll take on a 1000w hps any day with my 6 apaches(157w each, 942w total). Financially(light prices) this is ridiculous, but the principle is that watt for watt they're better.

Here is my thread. Full led grow... (BlackCherrySoda(TGA) x Blackberry) in supersoil. Still in veg but about to flip next week.
https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/630619-apache-tech-led-grow-8x12.html

I already grew out 4 jesus og's...4male. Saved the best bean for last. Same thing happened to the 4 nurse jackies too. Obviously my problems not the genetics. I will pop the last ones outside for summer crop.

Keep in mind 2 240w blackstars still pull < 300w of electric - in super soil I get better results than a 400w (non super soil) with one 240w blackstar. How do you define 'better' LED on the market... i know there are a lot of people who didn't have good results with blackstars, but so far I have and haven't had one issue with'em. Mine are relatively newer so I think maybe there were more issues with older models. I love my 2012 models. I'm not saying they're the best LED either... for my money they are the best on price per watt And if blackstars are one of the worse models compared to the 'good' ones, and I get really good results with blackstars, then doesn't that mean the fancy ass models that are 3x as expensive you be putting out way better? I dunno I don't see how a watt of their light is going to outperform a watt of light from a blackstar... proof is in the pudding as always it's results. I don't really expect anyone to take my word for it, and I don't really want to make much in the way of bold claims, but if I produce similar results to my last led supersoil grow this time you are going to hear some bold claims. Only regret this time is it isn't pure super soil (long story) i'm getting ready to mix up two different batches (original vs guano based) for next round though. So far I'm liking what I'm seeing through the first few days of flower but just gonna have to wait a couple of months to see how they turn up.

LEDs put out a lot less heat than HPS - you can get HPS cooler with proper venting -- but not without it. Some of us don't have the option of proper venting.

Oh and yeah they are expensive -- Around $1500 for my 6 240s. Wish I had more. Same wattage from most other higher end suppliers would be at least $3k and sometimes a lot more.

TCurtiss said:

I am going to run some this summer

FYI LA nerds some of Sub's own Space Bomb has made it to LA, you can find some at Buds n Roses in Studio city. Tell them TC sent ya

They also have some Jesus OG seeds in stock, get them while they last

T

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I'm actually tempted to buy some flowers... I haven't used my rec to buy flowers in 2+ years.

I hate that they sell you on a "240" watt grow light when you're not even getting that, I'd figure for the price, you'd at least be getting what you paid for. And you're telling us 1 240w black star will outperform a 400w HPS? I had the 2012 black stars. My results show much different actually not even a comparison. Your basing your results off of other people's word and other tests that don't even compare to each other (blackstar with super soil vs 400 with out super soil?) I tested in the same tent with the same soil, the 400 will win every time. But what works for others doesn't nessicarily mean it will work for another person so like I said if you grow dank with the LED, great job. This is my last post about LED lights.

Wolf