Every state sets their own minimum wage as does the fed for the US overall..state minimum wage ALWAYS supercede fed when the benefit to the employee is greater.
The truth about minimum wage and income inequality
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NLXSK1
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I think you are a whiny little cunt....
correction..the right DOES understand and they are desparately trying to maintain a system (GOP) that is tragically broken and out of date..much like the constitution, bible..both were written in a MUCH different time..how can we govern in the millenium when we're still clinging to the prehistoric?
ginwilly
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Yes, of course but they MUST maintain at least a federally mandated minimum wage. That's what central planning does. It treats Nauvoo Alabama like NYC. It also creates unbalanced laws based on age discrimination. You could have a job that any monkey could do given enough bananas. If you allow a 15 year old to earn a few bucks after school you can pay what you want. If he's 18 he MUST make at least X. If the same job is being performed why does the age matter?
It's also just an opinion that the benefit to the employee is greater. If he is it out of work it's not beneficial. This is why I would love to see liberal states set min wage at a "living wage" and allow neighboring states to abolish min wage. It would be an awesome experiment that would prove whose argument has merit. If liberal logic holds, those states with the highest min wage would have the best overall living conditions and other states would follow. If liberal logic fails, the neighboring states would show how allowing markets to work in a natural way would improve living conditions. Then the rest of the states could prosper and the liberal states could start making excuses and blaming the other states.
Having 50 labs to see what works where and what doesn't was how we were designed and it worked. If it's not the moral majority trying to make us live the way they want, it's the PC crowd. I'd rather we realized the correlation between freedom and success of a society.
minimum wage is not age based..legally, you have to pay age 15 the same as age 18..where did you hear that?
ginwilly
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Come on man, there are several stipulations for children. Under 16 are only allowed to work certain government approved jobs and there are special exemptions for people hiring in those approved jobs to pay less than min wage.
You also realize you can hire a downs syndrome kid to sort yarn and pay a buck an hour if you want all while receiving tax benefits for hiring the tards, but if you replace him with an able bodied adult that same job must now pay min wage and the owner loses his tard tax break. This is what we do when we pick and choose who can be discriminated against and who can't, and think we can control everything from a central location. We miss some sets this way. But it's all good intentions, so that's cool.
You also realize you can hire a downs syndrome kid to sort yarn and pay a buck an hour if you want all while receiving tax benefits for hiring the tards, but if you replace him with an able bodied adult that same job must now pay min wage and the owner loses his tard tax break. This is what we do when we pick and choose who can be discriminated against and who can't, and think we can control everything from a central location. We miss some sets this way. But it's all good intentions, so that's cool.
sorry, but gonna have to pull rank here..
http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr/reg/childlabor/documents/childlaborposter0709.pdf
Rob Roy
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I don't wonder why the government doesn't work. It doesn't work because at the base of it all it uses a business model that runs contrary to peaceful consensual human interactions.
Which part of the equation did I miss here?
UncleBuck
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the part where we don't make a new constitution every time a new robroy goes through puberty and/or reads ayn rand.
Mellowman2112
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Why not put some tarrifs on the Chinese crap and others imports and stop exporting jobs overseas? there would be no minimum wage necessary the demand for workers would take care of things naturally. These so called free trade agreements are a screw job. There used to not be an income tax, tarrifs took care of funding the Federal government. We dont see any common sense coming from Washington because they are bribed well not to do the right thing. Fucking traitors!!!
Rob Roy
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What good would a new constitution do? The old one has never been capable of stopping government over reach has it?
By the way, I was checking out some grow journals in a foray out of the politics section, nice work.
Rob Roy
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Protectionism does not benefit the consumer. Competition does.
What passes as "free trade" or the "free market" in the USA is a farce. The USA has all kinds of hoops to jump thru for a person trying to start a business. Remove those obstacles, dump the income tax and you will see great employment opportunity.
UncleBuck
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tariffs are just an effective tax on the middle class, they hurt the middle class and working poor more than anyone. it's a regressive tax.
Mellowman2112
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If you dont have a job you cant be a consumer, or maybe you can with your welfare check.
If they really wanted to create jobs they would by pushing small business programs. You're right rather than promote private small business they do everything in their power to eliminate it. Big business pays congress well to eliminate competition.
If they really wanted to create jobs they would by pushing small business programs. You're right rather than promote private small business they do everything in their power to eliminate it. Big business pays congress well to eliminate competition.
ginwilly
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you realize you just backed up what I was saying about federal laws with state facts? State facts that back up what I was saying about federal laws anyway. Were you just helping me?
ginwilly
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Obama has passed 18 jobs bills with the majority being aimed at small businesses and has created 80 gajillion jobs.
Lets take a poll. Should he stay the course,thousand points of light and all that. Should he do 18 more or let someone else give it shot?
UnrepentantRogue
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Mark Twain said " "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
I saw it on television (okay, can't quote a source) that we have lost, and continue to lose jobs that pay well. And the new jobs that are created are mostly on the low end of the pay scale.
ChesusRice
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Stay the course and cut the number of weeks you can collect unemployment and raise the income level for food stamps. I know people who dont have jobs becuase they dont want to find one
Canna Sylvan
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Foreign products are bullshit quality. All my American products far outlast all my imported goods.
I even support your ass.
You're welcome.
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UncleBuck
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you're preaching to the choir, racist rabbit.
my dad just gave me his 29 year old chainsaw, the same one i see in childhood pics from the house we lived in which was heated by a wood burning stove. we would get shipments of logs in and cut, split, and stack those fuckers in the basement. i frankly can't wait until that is a possibility again, for the record.
but the same company that now makes that same brand of chainsaw (and many others) are now chinese made crap, and parts are harder to come by then they are for this 29 year old chainsaw.
but nonetheless, there is obvious demand for these cheap pieces of shit, and your defense of protectionist tariffs does not exactly scream "free market", like you do in just about every other post of blind rage (you commie!). they also hurt low income wage slaves like you more than they hurt anyone else.
but, i'm not surprised to see you arguing against your own best interests with a generous helping of double standard and hypocrisy mixed in.