~The Scroggrotto~

LST had worked very well for me. I used it on all but one plant this year, and in combination with topping on about 20% of those. I'm considering an outdoor SGROG setup next year for part of my grow. My main quesion is, what are the advantages of SCOG over LST for the outside grower?

Laney said:

LST had worked very well for me. I used it on all but one plant this year, and in combination with topping on about 20% of those. I'm considering an outdoor SGROG setup next year for part of my grow. My main quesion is, what are the advantages of SCOG over LST for the outside grower?

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Nothing, as far as I am aware there are no height restrictions outdoors , unless your hiding from your neighbour then you porbably want to keep your plants below fence level.

regards,

Our nearest neighbor is a mile away so I guess LST is good enough. I will definitely SCROG if I ever do an indoor grow. I might try scrogging one plant next year to compare yields.

dhmessiah said:

I agree, she does look damn healthy. I always have problems w/ my airstones clogging w/ nutes. I have to cclean them every week when i change nutes. I hate the stupid things. I"m thinking about runnin a rdwc system scrog style. Do you see any problems w/ that?

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Yeah, sounds good.. how many sites are you going with? I've decided to flush before every rez change for 2 hours.. 1tsp/gal of florakleen with distilled water... Have you thought about dwc?

Laney said:

LST had worked very well for me. I used it on all but one plant this year, and in combination with topping on about 20% of those. I'm considering an outdoor SGROG setup next year for part of my grow. My main quesion is, what are the advantages of SCOG over LST for the outside grower?

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I think you will yield more, scroggin', mainly because instead of the plant using energy making popcorn buds that would have been at the bottom of the plant... All the extra energy would be put into an even canopy, with equal light distribution.. all day, instead of one side getting morning light and the other afternoon light ..

A scrog is like lst.. but in the end instead if a bush you have a flatbed of bud..

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Sorry folks I have been VERY VERY busy! I will be back soon. Stay tuned in fall is doing wonderful things for us in our neck of the woods!

in for the long haul here woodsman...

Advantages to Scrogging Outdoor

Workable Canopy Control Scrog puts things where you want them. Weather your in a wheel chair or beastly tall, no one really wants to bend or stretch to garden. Scrogging puts it all in your lap if planned accordingly *most folks underestimate the size of a trained plant outdoor*.

Support and Protection While other gardens take a beating from mother nature, scrog gardens battle the perfect storm. Experienced gardeners can tell you what a perfect season brings; WORK. The last thing most of us want is our monster colas hanging on the ground and every which way for us to prop, string, stake, and hang. Scrogging keeps them where they belong, and after the season is complete, the screen can be flipped upside down for drying and defoliation. *proper planning is always key, secondary support helps with towering colas, continue training until onset of flowering, make screens in sections that can be managed for and during harvest time they make great racks!*

Pest Management Spraying the underside of leaves never seems like a simple task; unless the hole plant is flat and the leaves can easily be accessed under a screen
Spraying the canopy of a scrog garden is kind of like watering the lawn, that simple. " I like to walk or roll under my canopy, sprinklers can do the work above."
Keeping crawling insects away from bare stalks is allot less demanding than the vegetation at the base of a bush. Having a screen to hang things from also means that sticky traps, fans, sprayers, zappers, etc. can be ideally positioned.

Quality* Improvement As with indoor scrog, no vegetation below the screen means all or nothing above. If all production is above the screen, harvest is measured in top colas only. Consequently, the overall quality* of a scrog garden is ultimately superior to crops which contain a percentage of lesser dense material than mature cola/buds, higher leaf to calyx ratio, and under developed/under ripe flower.

*Quality: pertaining to all aspects controllable by gardening practices

LST outdoor produces large plants however, typically the branches are then positioned in a manner of which does not lend well to the weight put on during flower production.

Trellising manages most problems from that point on, hence the reason SCROG is preferred.

good to have you back woodsman, yeah i'm really digging scrogging.... complete control..

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looking very nice dr. frank i too am loving the switch to scrog like you say total control and you only have to worry about one girl

curly604 said:

looking very nice dr. frank i too am loving the switch to scrog like you say total control and you only have to worry about one girl

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Thank you! Exactly one plant 600watts all my focus..

Promised some pics earlier and can now post again with ease so without further adue here is my current SCROG growing 1 giant plant under 600w's of led light its at day 28veg and things are looking great! Cheers all happy growing!

I got "sold" at a friends store on a "sweet deal" so I have now switched to a growonix GX1000 Thanks folks!

"Oh and cant forget the booster pump there woodsman, never know when you might need that extra 1000 gallons per day" ha

Enjoy the gifts people, as will I!

I think Ill take a shower in RO water today!
"Just thought I would tell someone"

Woodsmantoker~

News:

Got an invite yesterday to a place where some folks wanted to "chat". We did some idea swapping and figured 16,000 watts looks better over a screen. Got the "sure" on filming a run for ya fine people of the scroggrotto. So I fell through on getting the last images of a "larger" fully scrog caregiver op and again my apologies. Lets see what happens this time. This is the only heads up I am giving as to not shatter hopes and dreams if sh*t goes wrong.
ETA - Late Oct

Stay Tuned

Woodsmantoker~

woodsmantoker said:

News:

Got an invite yesterday to a place where some folks wanted to "chat". We did some idea swapping and figured 16,000 watts looks better over a screen. Got the "sure" on filming a run for ya fine people of the scroggrotto. So I fell through on getting the last images of a "larger" fully scrog caregiver op and again my apologies. Lets see what happens this time. This is the only heads up I am giving as to not shatter hopes and dreams if sh*t goes wrong.
ETA - Late Oct

Stay Tuned

Woodsmantoker~

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Sounds good, unfortunately my last one kicked the bucket.. but I have a brand new clone that will become a scrog of epic proportions...!!! (For a 600 )

Awesome scrog but hey mother fucker can u stop killing wild animals??? Jesus i hope i never ran into u bullet at ur senseless brain

munchies7 said:

Awesome scrog but hey mother fucker can u stop killing wild animals??? Jesus i hope i never ran into u bullet at ur senseless brain

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??? am i missing something here??

ae86 grower said:

??? am i missing something here??

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different orbit i guess.. lol... maybe on that deathstar crazy amount of thc apparently

so upon further tought doc, i`m kinda glad that i the scrog didn`t happen first off, i wasn`t "ready" for it ...

but after messing with cropping and topping and all the other fun ways of growing coupled with the root experiments, (watering-starveing schedules to push them) i think were there, the seedlings on the go should give me a healthy mother and the room is a little more dialled in for it, venting and stuff..

just the boreing vegging to do now..