The Scrog Club

i personally let the plant grow a few inches up the net and then i move the branch in the next square. it can take some time to fill the whole screen.

well i was gonna show u some pics but for some reason i cant upload them
i will try later...im switching to 12/12 so todays pics r the last day of veg

well that is just wierd ! it worked but it told me it didnt...lol

anyone have any experience scrogging Full Moon?? I'm working on my first Sativa Full Moon scrog now! I've done several Indica but this is my first Sativa strain.

So integra your setup has inspired me to SCROG. I'm using parts from my old setups so I'm still in the minor leagues. I've got a 2'x3' screen, ebb and flow system, 3 circular air stones, and a 250Watt MH/HPS conversion lamp. I want to see how this setup works b4 I step up to the big leagues lol. If this goes smooth, I'll have a bigger area and I'm going to mimic your setup down to the smallest detail. Also, I've been using General Hydroponics nutrients and I'm just about out. I'm going to have to go to my local hydro shop to re-up. I will be using the BC nutrient line instead. I would like to know the ratios you personally use for your setups. I'm growing a sativa based Jock Horror in case that matters. Oh yeah, one more thing, since I've got a sativa based strain, I've noticed from my last grow they still grow like a MF when they first start flowering (the stretch I guess it's called). Do you have a recommendation of how full my screen should be b4 I flower? I'm thinking like 60-70% since this dirty little whore spread all over the place during my last grow. I was really surprised on how much they take off in flowering. Any suggestions? Thanks!!

tony42086 said:

So integra your setup has inspired me to SCROG. I'm using parts from my old setups so I'm still in the minor leagues. I've got a 2'x3' screen, ebb and flow system, 3 circular air stones, and a 250Watt MH/HPS conversion lamp. I want to see how this setup works b4 I step up to the big leagues lol. If this goes smooth, I'll have a bigger area and I'm going to mimic your setup down to the smallest detail. Also, I've been using General Hydroponics nutrients and I'm just about out. I'm going to have to go to my local hydro shop to re-up. I will be using the BC nutrient line instead. I would like to know the ratios you personally use for your setups. I'm growing a sativa based Jock Horror in case that matters. Oh yeah, one more thing, since I've got a sativa based strain, I've noticed from my last grow they still grow like a MF when they first start flowering (the stretch I guess it's called). Do you have a recommendation of how full my screen should be b4 I flower? I'm thinking like 60-70% since this dirty little whore spread all over the place during my last grow. I was really surprised on how much they take off in flowering. Any suggestions? Thanks!!

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Looks good on the mini-setup. Ill start off with my nutrient soup.

***Flower 5gal formula***
BC Boost 1tblsp(15ml)
BC Bloom 1tblsp(15ml)
Thrive Alive Red 1/2tsp(2.5ml)
Awesome Blossom 1tsp(5ml)
Magical 1tsp(5ml)
Sugar Daddy 2tblsp(30ml)
SnowStorm Ultra 1tsp(5ml)
Starting Week 5-6, stop at week 8-9 and flush for a week.
Gravity 1tsp(5ml)
I flush with 1tblsp(15ml) of Clearex in 5gal of ro water(10ppm or less) for 12 hours and then switch to strain ro water for 5-7 days

***Veg 5gal Formula***
BC Boost 2tblsp(30ml)
BC Grow 1tblsp(15ml)
Thrive Alive Red 1tsp(5ml)
Magical 1tblsp(15ml)
Sugar Daddy 1tblsp(15ml)

As for the screen fill, you have to experiment around a little to see whats best for your strain based on stretch. If you have a strain(like a Sativa) that stretches a lot, you should only need a very small portion of that screen filled. Something along the way of 5-20%. I personally use the flower stretch to fill out the entire screen. On my last run, I used 5 Blue Kush clones, about 6-10" tall, 3 10" ones and 2 6" ones. They are a fairly stretchy hybrid and almost over filled my 3'x4'screen. I would say keep a close eye on the girls you have under the screen now and if they're not in flower yet, flip the lights. Even if those are indica, they should have no problem filling that screen out. Hope this helps, and any other questions feel free to ask. I'll be posting my Blue Kush harvest update in a few days, so you'll have a better idea how that turned out in a little. Im hoping to beat my last run, but it's going to be real close.

Hey guys,

I'm a few weeks into my second grow and I was wondering about topping or fimming. The plants are on their 5th set of leaves and are between 4 and 8 inches. I was wondering if I should be topping them before they reach the screen or after they break through. Thanks.

DankBudzzz said:

Hey guys,

I'm a few weeks into my second grow and I was wondering about topping or fimming. The plants are on their 5th set of leaves and are between 4 and 8 inches. I was wondering if I should be topping them before they reach the screen or after they break through. Thanks.

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With a scrog, toping is generally completely unnecassary. As soon as the first tip of the plant pokes through the screen a little, just make sure to put it back under the screen and let a side branch or two stick up higher than it. This will cause a hormone shift that will make side branch growth take off, which is the same effect as topping, but without losing a perfectly good budsite. Once the top isnt the tallest branch anymore, you will notice that explosive growth kick into gearr in less than a week and is far less stressful to the plant than topping.

Will I not yield more if I fim or top and then scrog though?

DankBudzzz said:

Will I not yield more if I fim or top and then scrog though?

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No, the only reason peolple top and FIM is to cause the same hormone shit that getting the plant in the screen causes. So topping can only garuntee a smaller yied because you will be loosing a good bud site from each plant. There is no posative purpose to topping or fim when it comes to scrogs unless you are doing very long veg times without the plant in the screen. Do not top.

So...off goes the MH and in with the HPS. Hey thanks a bunch for the pointers and a million thanks for your master concoction!!!!!! Any guess on how much this might yield? No Co2 and only 250w, but other than that, I'm on the ball with the pH, reservoir changing, etc, etc. Would a 1/4 lb be a decent guess here with this setup?

Ive never used a 250w before and havent read much up on them, but based on half of my 400w harvest, I'd say that that is entirely possible with the setup.

Alright all of my equipment came in and I have it installed.

So now I am running a 1000 watt hps over my scrog that is hooked to the exhaust system which is also blowing out through a carbon scrubber. I am so surprised at how well the carbon scrubber is working. Outside of my grow room there is zero smell. It is nice to be able to have people over to my house again.

I am now a little over 3 weeks into flower and things are starting to look good. I am starting to see trichs on a lot of the flowers.

I am having some kind of nutrient or soil problem though. A lot of my leaves are looking like shit. Temps in the room range from 70 at night to about a high of 82 during the day. I have been using the recipe for success kit in ocean forest soil. I wasn't feeding much b/c I first thought this looked like nutrient burn, but my friend said I mgiht be starving my plants. So now I am just going to give nutes once a week which would be every other watering.

I also have my veg cab up and running, or at least the bottom half. I still need a light for the cloning section. But I have the ventilation running for it and the temps are staying down low about 75F. Right now I am only using CFLs in the veg cabinet.

Please look to the pics below. Some of them turned out pretty nice. Any help on my plant problems would be appreciated.

Peace

Looks to me like too fast of an increase in nutrients. I would recommend trying my mix from the post above, but give them a couple of waterings first. Other than that, it looks like they are off to a good start. As long as the problem gets fixed looks like a great harvest coming your way.

WEll yesterday I fed them again because it has been a week since i fed last. I went ahead and did half strength nutes again and they look worse this morning. I think I am done with the recipe for success kit that I received. Some of the bottles weren't completely full when I got them and I thought this was just the way they came. But I am starting to think that some nutrient had leaked out and maybe offset the amount of nutes per ml of fluid.

I have the three fox farm nutes so I am gonna try those here in a bit. I am gonna give the plants a good flush for the next couple of waterings then start with the foxfarm nutes. Any advice on how much I should be feeding my plants with the fox farm.

http://foxfarmfertilizer.com/soilfeed.pdf

That's fox farm's feeding schedual. I would start with half the dose they recomend and go from there.

Madonna(day 1 & Hericules(day 3)
Rm Temp 80F
RH 45%
CO2 ppm 1500
PH 5.7-6.1
PPM's 250-350
Res Temp 69-72F






Despite a small nutrient burn during the first week, the Madonna's are doing great. I am hoping they will stretch a little bit more and fill out the screen a little better, but if not I know to just veg them for another 5-7 days. I have never had a strain eat so lightly. I just saw my first real drop in ppm's today. They went from 300 to 140 over night. Previously, they would go from 300 to 240 overnight. The Hericules went in smoothly and seems to be doing fine, I also hope they are a little more stretchy than the Madonnas if they are going to fill out my screen, but only time will tell. If there are an questions or comments, feel free to post them. Thanks for stopping by.

Integra21 said:

Madonna(day 1 & Hericules(day 3)
Rm Temp 80F
RH 45%
CO2 ppm 1500
PH 5.7-6.1
PPM's 250-350
Res Temp 69-72F
Despite a small nutrient burn during the first week, the Madonna's are doing great. I am hoping they will stretch a little bit more and fill out the screen a little better, but if not I know to just veg them for another 5-7 days. I have never had a strain eat so lightly. I just saw my first real drop in ppm's today. They went from 300 to 140 over night. Previously, they would go from 300 to 240 overnight. The Hericules went in smoothly and seems to be doing fine, I also hope they are a little more stretchy than the Madonnas if they are going to fill out my screen, but only time will tell. If there are an questions or comments, feel free to post them. Thanks for stopping by.

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This question might have been asked somewhere in this thread, but come on, give me a break...
Integra do you top or super crop any of your scrogs?

Beansly said:

This question might have been asked somewhere in this thread, but come on, give me a break...
Integra do you top or super crop any of your scrogs?

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Integra21 said:

With a scrog, toping is generally completely unnecassary. As soon as the first tip of the plant pokes through the screen a little, just make sure to put it back under the screen and let a side branch or two stick up higher than it. This will cause a hormone shift that will make side branch growth take off, which is the same effect as topping, but without losing a perfectly good budsite. Once the top isnt the tallest branch anymore, you will notice that explosive growth kick into gearr in less than a week and is far less stressful to the plant than topping.

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Integra21 said:

No, the only reason peolple top and FIM is to cause the same hormone shit that getting the plant in the screen causes. So topping can only garuntee a smaller yied because you will be loosing a good bud site from each plant. There is no posative purpose to topping or fim when it comes to scrogs unless you are doing very long veg times without the plant in the screen. Do not top.

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Not a problem, these posts are from the previous page. Hope this helps.

puff puff passing thru bro.. see u on the other side. hehe