The Scrog Club

Integra21 said:

Thats what I do to. But I have known a couple of guys that have weaved it in.

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oh 1 more thing should i let them grow over the screen more so when i move them there still above the screen an inch or 2 ?
sorry about all the questions

tony42086 said:

Hey Integra this was a very informative post. Those plants are bad ass! So I just did my first grow and I managed to get through it without a lot of headaches. After reading this post I have made a decision to SCROG from here on out. I want to emulate your setup down to the smallest detail. Unfortunately from your pics it looks like a science fiction laboratory. I can't really tell wtf you got going on. What are your flowering and vegetative rooms comprised of? Do you have a link to another post of your flowering/veg setups or would you mind breaking them down in detail for me? Definitely +rep for this! Thanks.

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OK. Ill do the flower room first. I run two 600w Ushio OptiRed bulbs ins SuperSun II reflectors off of a Lumatek Dual 600w 240v dimable ballast. They are air cooled by a 6" CanFan. They are mounted 18"(from glass to screen)above my Scrog screen. The screen measures 3'x8'. It is made out of 1/2" pvc, 2"x3" garden fencing(From Home Depot), and white 8" zip ties. It is suspended above the floor by strings. 8" below that is my custom shallow dwc tubs. They are tubs that are about 3ft wide, about 14in deep, and 6" tall. I recommend larger tubs if you have the height to accommodate them. Each tub(I use 2) has eight 5.5" air discs running of 2 General Hydroponics Dual Diaphragm air pumps. There is no such ting as too much air, and the more you can get in there the better. Each res holds about 5 gal of nutrients. For nutrients, I use Technaflora's full lineup(BC Boost, BC Grow, BC Bloom, Thrive Alive Red, Awesome Blossom, Magical, and Sugar Daddy) with a custom recipe I have come up with. I also tried using Humbold County's SnowStorm Ultra and Gravity on the curren run and am unsure if it made a difference yet. If you get the same nutes and want my recipe, let me know, Id be happy to share. There are also two 8" oscillating fans on the girls on a timer for 15min on 45min off. For the veg I use three 2.5 gallon smaller tubs that are about the size of 2 shoe boxes put together. Each tub holds eight plants in 3.5" heavy duty netpots that the clones stay in for their entire lives. Each tub also has two 5.5" air discs in the bottom. The 3 tubs share a single GH Dual Diaphragm air pump. I use a different lght above each tub, a 100w 5700K CFL in a batwing reflector, a 100w MH Secutity light(From Home Depot), and two 42w cfls in a reflector that I made out of cardboard and mylar. The 100w mh has the fastest growth out of the 3. The mothers are on a shelf above that. Each one is in a 2gal bucket with a 5.5" air disc in the bottom and all 6 mothers share a GH Dual Diaphragm air pump. I have a 400w mh air cooled above them Here are a few pics to help visualize...

The Flower Room






The Veg


Keep in mind these pics are about half a year old and they dont show everything, but I dont have up to date pics of it all. I hope this helps, and any other questions, feel free to ask. Heres a more recent flower room pic..

coupe said:

should i be more methodical about it ..? i just kind of swoop my hand under the screen to move the branches out..lol...oh and im thinkn of switching them wat u tink

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coupe said:

oh 1 more thing should i let them grow over the screen more so when i move them there still above the screen an inch or 2 ?
sorry about all the questions

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Not a problem. You dont want the entire plant under the screen. You want about 2" of every branch tip above the screen filling as many holes as possible during the stretch and about 6-10" above it when the stretch is done. The main goal is to get as many holes as possible filled in the screen and have them spaced as evenly as possible. If you can pull this off, you wont be dissapointed by the results(assuming you already know how to grow healthy plants) Hope this helps, anything else, feel free to ask.

Hey thanks a bunch integra! Ummm....here's a noob question: What does dwc mean? Also, do you mind explaining your reservoir setup some more? From the pics my guess is the plants stay in the net cups seated through the top hanging the roots into the nutrient solution at all times. Is this correct? Also, what's the circumference of those net cups your using? What substrate do you use in those cups? Grow rocks, clay pellets, etc, etc. What's your preference on the substrate you start your clones in, ie rockwool cubes, cocoa, etc, etc? Also, how goes the odor control with your setup? I really appreciate the info. +rep

tony42086 said:

Hey thanks a bunch integra! Ummm....here's a noob question: What does dwc mean? Also, do you mind explaining your reservoir setup some more? From the pics my guess is the plants stay in the net cups seated through the top hanging the roots into the nutrient solution at all times. Is this correct? Also, what's the circumference of those net cups your using? What substrate do you use in those cups? Grow rocks, clay pellets, etc, etc. What's your preference on the substrate you start your clones in, ie rockwool cubes, cocoa, etc, etc? Also, how goes the odor control with your setup? I really appreciate the info. +rep

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DWC stands for deep water culture and its the simplest hydro setup. Basically, I fill my tub 3/4 full. Then place the netpots in the lid, the water is about half way up the net pot. So half the cup and the roots are submerged in water the whole time.The net pots are the 3.5 inch heavy duty and I use little neoprene discs that fit in the top to put my clones in and they stay in them throughout their entire lives. There really is no medium, just the neoprene and its only about 1/2 an inch thick. My odor gets out of control because of my strains, but not outside the house, just the whole inside reeks.

hello fellas, been a while with no updates..... just to remind u that the net size is 2X1 meters

so the skunk and the lil lsted prozak started makin hair tuffs bout a week ago. no signs of buds on the aks and the papaya.

heres a picture of my first grow, 600w, purple kush x trainwreck, and trainwreck:



the screen got raised up slightly as i was out of town and my girlfriend lowered the screen too low. its cool, there was no major breakage had a little splitting happen in one spot but it appears to be patching itself up. taking clones in the next couple days, and switching to flower. heres where it gets interesting. link is in my sig. updated pictures tomorrow, and at least every few days.

Looking good, I like the setup, reminds me of mine. Never tried to move the screen with them all in it, glad it was easy.

Integra21 said:

Looking good, I like the setup, reminds me of mine. Never tried to move the screen with them all in it, glad it was easy.

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ive got some 4' trellis and some horizontal lines of polypropylene twine running every 2", kinda makes it alot easier to pull them in and out to move things, its sorta like having 2x4" holes with a lot of flexibility.... im kind of diggin it. looks like i may have some browning but i think its not a big problem on the roots of the center plant... gonna em with some h202 tonite, have res change tomorrow and will have enzymes and whatnots i dont want to kill in there... the temp of the water has been controlled so well it cant be heat, or light... then again it doesnt look too bad, possibly will clear up from h202, and when i res change tomorrow the cannazyme may help.... any questions, comments, or advice is very welcome in my journal, it is my first grow. and i always make sure to rep =-D

Alright here is a bit of an update. These pictures were taken at day 9 of 12/12. I already need to take some new pics because they look a lot better than these pictures right now. I am having some problems with nutrient deficiencies for some reason. I have been giving them the technaflora recipe for success following the instructions for flowering. The white widow looks the worst out of all of the plants. But none of them are the dark green color I would like them to be. They do have pre-flowers coming in now.

I ordered my 1000 watt light today along with a wall mount oscillating fan, and some other ventilation supplies. One thing being a 4" inline fan so I can get my little veg cab going, because I have 8 clones ready to be potted. Too bad my supplies won't be here till early next week and starting monday I have class again

hey integra you never gave that tip out on how to take care of all the water after I flush my plants. They are just sitting on some plastic now so when the time comes I will definitely need to figure something out. I was thinking about going and picking up a wet vac, but that is the only idea I can come of. But anyways here's the pics enjoy.

Looks like they're doing really good. Thanks for the post. Keep em coming.

BlueFossil said:

Alright here is a bit of an update. These pictures were taken at day 9 of 12/12. I already need to take some new pics because they look a lot better than these pictures right now. I am having some problems with nutrient deficiencies for some reason. I have been giving them the technaflora recipe for success following the instructions for flowering. The white widow looks the worst out of all of the plants. But none of them are the dark green color I would like them to be. They do have pre-flowers coming in now.

I ordered my 1000 watt light today along with a wall mount oscillating fan, and some other ventilation supplies. One thing being a 4" inline fan so I can get my little veg cab going, because I have 8 clones ready to be potted. Too bad my supplies won't be here till early next week and starting monday I have class again

hey integra you never gave that tip out on how to take care of all the water after I flush my plants. They are just sitting on some plastic now so when the time comes I will definitely need to figure something out. I was thinking about going and picking up a wet vac, but that is the only idea I can come of. But anyways here's the pics enjoy.

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if you are having issues moving water get a cheap submersible pump and 50ft of hose, then you will be able to move water without any hassle.

OK guys,

I'm freakin' perplexed. I've waited and searched but I've not been able to find the answer to a few questions so "uck fit" I'll just ask!
1. Someone asked about 4 pages ago how do you move from your veg room to the flowering if the branches are already trained on the vegging scrog?
2. Do you scrog from the beginning of the grow or start at a certain period in the grow. I know intergr21 goes directly to flowering but he's using clones. I've noticed that BoomerBloomer57 vegged straight then broke them down into a scrog 2" per hour until they were horizontal. But then again intergr21used a training method in the beginning of his grows. So in this area I'm just lost!!
3. I have noticed that I think it was intergr21 that also in pumping water in the res. I guess so there is no stagnation, but wont a properly sized air pump with a big air diffuser do the same thing?
4. No one is using LED's why? I've ordered the Illuminator 90W for my veg and flowering.
5. NO ONE is using Advanced Nutrients! Why is that? I've read over the last week prior to investing in my grow. I even solicited the help of my wife (she's smarter than I am). We both concluded that ADv Nutes were 9 times out of 10 topping her comparison chart and the main point which consistently helped it win was the lack of PH adjustments and PPM monitoring, besides the fact that it ranked pretty high in properly targeting the nutrients for.... well i thought is was better for vegging than flowering, my wife says the flowering nutes are the same basically for all brands we researched ( 3 or 4) , it's the supplemental nutes sold separately which probably make more of the difference (if anything). Don't shoot us on this one we are not saying there is no difference but the difference is no t so major that one should make a difference over another. One has more of "A" & "B" and little of "C" while another has "B"&"C" and less of "A".
6. Will I be able to keep my plants in the Hydro pots I'm starting with? They are 2" deep x 3" Wide or 6cmx8cm wide..
7. Can I place the plants directly in the Hydroton balls in the hydro pots or must I place them in another type of support?
8.Lastly Whats with everyone with a nice grow room having their res elevated?

That's all folks......
Pure

Hey, I'm subbed to this thread, but don't think I have ever posted on it, I just wanted to answer a couple of pure's questions. #1 the only way to move between rooms is to have a movable screen. I grow in soil and have an individual screen attached to each pot. If you wanted to move in dwc hydro, you would have to make the res and screen mobile. maybe you could put it on acart or something. That is probably why Integra an Boomer go straight in to flower. #2 I LST an top my plants before the go under the screen, just to get a lot of branching going, but thats just me. #4 I still haven't heard any rave reviews about leds, and some peoples set ups on here are pretty big, doing like boomer's or integra's set up with leds would be impractical and expensive. Like I said, I grow in soil, so I can't answer any hydro questions, but I know that a lot of people think advance nute are overpriced and that the guy who runs the company is a dick. They are a pretty big company and seem a little more corporate than some of the other nute companys (they sponsor Weeds on showtime). I think thats why a lot of people don't like them. They might make a great product though, I have no idea. Let us know how it turns out. And post more. How have you been on here for 2 years with 5 posts?
I'm sure one of these other guys can answer some hydro questions.

Pure said:

OK guys,

I'm freakin' perplexed. I've waited and searched but I've not been able to find the answer to a few questions so "uck fit" I'll just ask!
1. Someone asked about 4 pages ago how do you move from your veg room to the flowering if the branches are already trained on the vegging scrog?
2. Do you scrog from the beginning of the grow or start at a certain period in the grow. I know intergr21 goes directly to flowering but he's using clones. I've noticed that BoomerBloomer57 vegged straight then broke them down into a scrog 2" per hour until they were horizontal. But then again intergr21used a training method in the beginning of his grows. So in this area I'm just lost!!
3. I have noticed that I think it was intergr21 that also in pumping water in the res. I guess so there is no stagnation, but wont a properly sized air pump with a big air diffuser do the same thing?
4. No one is using LED's why? I've ordered the Illuminator 90W for my veg and flowering.
5. NO ONE is using Advanced Nutrients! Why is that? I've read over the last week prior to investing in my grow. I even solicited the help of my wife (she's smarter than I am). We both concluded that ADv Nutes were 9 times out of 10 topping her comparison chart and the main point which consistently helped it win was the lack of PH adjustments and PPM monitoring, besides the fact that it ranked pretty high in properly targeting the nutrients for.... well i thought is was better for vegging than flowering, my wife says the flowering nutes are the same basically for all brands we researched ( 3 or 4) , it's the supplemental nutes sold separately which probably make more of the difference (if anything). Don't shoot us on this one we are not saying there is no difference but the difference is no t so major that one should make a difference over another. One has more of "A" & "B" and little of "C" while another has "B"&"C" and less of "A".
6. Will I be able to keep my plants in the Hydro pots I'm starting with? They are 2" deep x 3" Wide or 6cmx8cm wide..
7. Can I place the plants directly in the Hydroton balls in the hydro pots or must I place them in another type of support?
8.Lastly Whats with everyone with a nice grow room having their res elevated?

That's all folks......
Pure

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Ok, you are right, I dont put them under the screen until the first day of flower and use the flower stretch to fill it out. Changing screens for veg and flower would be a dificult thing to do. You would be much better off training them into the screen they will be flowering into or do it like I do.

As far as the pump, I only used it when I tried organic in the begenning, but havent used it since I switched back to chemical nutrients and no pump works very well for me.

I think people stay away from AN products more because of their prices, not anything to do at all with the actual product. I personally love Technafloras nutrients.

Ok, sorry for the delay in an update, been super busy the last few weeks. Got the Piss all jarred and weighed, and lets say it was more than disappointing. For it staying in such great health throughout the grow and being the densest nugs I have grown, it came in lighter than my last round. To top all of that off, the finished buds are lacking on potency on an unexpected level. I never thought something so frosty could be so weak. But enough with the complaining.

Piss from 65 days of 12/12
Total Weight: 14oz 6g
Aroma: A very nice mix of oranges, citris, and musk. Has a little bite that almost burns your nose a little.
Taste: Getting closer to the small, definetly citris undertones, but needs more curing.
High: A weak but balanced high/stone, my guess is 10-12%thc




And the Blue Kush is coming down this weekend. I already dehydrated a sample of that and that was as strong as the Blue Kush I have had jarring for 6 months. So Im pretty stoked about this chop. The Dehydrator always kills some potency(10-20%) and the fact that it was just as strong leads me to believe this run will be even stronger than the previous run, this may be due to the SnowStorm Ultra. I am glad its coming down to, I forgot how much the smell on this gorl get out of control towards the end of flower. 2 Cap1 ozone generators in the garage dont even make a dent in the smell. So here they are.

Blue Kush day 75 of 12/12
CO2 ppm: 1500
Rm Temp: 80F
RH: 45-55%
PH: 5.7-6.1
PPM's: 550-600
Res Temp: 67-70F

looks amazing dude!

Kudos Mate!! Good Job!! I can only wish the Goddess Mary Jane grace me with a yield as copious as yours....

That kush looks nice!

Hey Integra, quick question, actually a couple: What's your opinion of SCROG from clone to veg to flower? Is it a better method to SCROG during flowering or is it just for ease, ie not having to remove your plants from one room to another? The reason I ask is i put my clones in the screen and they are in the veg phase. Also, can you give a daily breakdown of the process of positioning the tips? Maybe with some pics? From what I can grasp from your thread, the tallest tip starts in one hole and is moved daily until the under branches catch up. Then they are moved to holes. Is this correct? How about prunning the fan leaves that aren't what you would call tips (sorry don't know the correct term here)? Do these get pulled through the screen too or chopped? I know that more leaf mass makes photosynthesis easier here, but it seems like you would chop these rather than pull them through.

Also, do you let the whole plant grow into the screen b4 u start moving things around?