The positive, economic effect of lowering the minimum wage to $0

see4

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Rob Roy said:
Also, Meathead, I like that you used slavery in your example, please try to work in some rape examples too.
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You are really dating yourself there Robby. Meathead, back when you were a child, 80 years ago, meant "dummy". Today, it means something completely different.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=meathead


althor said:
You guys are so clueless it is laughable..

How about any of you guys go start your own business and see how full of shit you really are.
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I have a business, two in fact. Both, the people who work at said business make between 3 to 8 times minimum wage. Both businesses are doing just fine.

I know several local small businesses that provide unique prepared foods, no more than 5 employees at each place. I've met most of the employees and the owners, all the employees make a living wage, closer to $20 an hour. These businesses are doing quite well.

Gilbert and Chandler, maybe it's Maricopa County, I'd have to double check, sets the minimum wage at $8.15. The local Dunkin Donuts by my house pays their employees a starting wage of $10.05.

You need to stop being angry at the world dude. Have some respect and compassion for people. Paying people $7 an hour is an insult and borderline slavery. Gas is $3 a gallon, and a typical lunch prepared at home costs about $4.00. 1/8th of your daily wage is gone because you had to drive to work and eat food.

Think man... just think.
 
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stinkyjoe

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this is a really interesting forum , i think I'll hang out here for few weeks/months/all de time ;)

don't know much about history, don't know much about geology but i do know some shit so I'll stick around :)
 
yktind

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Isn't the goal to try to make more than minimum wage? I don't think even new employees at our company start at minimum wage. If you're worth a shit working wise you shouldn't stay in minimum wage any longer than a year (really 6 months). If the employer doesn't want to give you a raise or has no interest in furthering your career, you quit and they have to find someone else, right? Which enables you to find a better suited employer.

I honestly have no idea how raising minimum wage would effect everyday business. But you have to think if it's a small mom and pop shop that are currently paying 8 bucks an hour to 4 employees and that jumps to 15 an hour, something has to give somewhere. Their profits don't magically go up because the GOV stepped in and "saved the day".
 
Padawanbater2

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yktind said:
Isn't the goal to try to make more than minimum wage? I don't think even new employees at our company start at minimum wage. If you're worth a shit working wise you shouldn't stay in minimum wage any longer than a year (really 6 months). If the employer doesn't want to give you a raise or has no interest in furthering your career, you quit and they have to find someone else, right? Which enables you to find a better suited employer.

I honestly have no idea how raising minimum wage would effect everyday business. But you have to think if it's a small mom and pop shop that are currently paying 8 bucks an hour to 4 employees and that jumps to 15 an hour something has to give somewhere. Their profits don't magically go up because the GOV stepped in and saved the day.
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There are more than 10 million working poor people in America, that's full time and they're still poor, that's unacceptable

More than half of college graduates are unemployed or underemployed, that's unacceptable

The largest employer in America enjoys $6.2 billion in government subsidies per year and pays their employees so little they require government assistance to survive, that's unacceptable

Between 2005 and 2012, 93% of the economic gains went to the top 1% of the population, that's unacceptable

The current minimum wage is unacceptable

Raising the minimum wage to a living wage will give poor and middle class people more money to spend in the economy, more people buying things leads to employers hiring more workers and businesses grow and unemployment falls
 
Harrekin

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Padawanbater2 said:
There are more than 10 million working poor people in America, that's full time and they're still poor, that's unacceptable

More than half of college graduates are unemployed or underemployed, that's unacceptable

The largest employer in America enjoys $6.2 billion in government subsidies per year and pays their employees so little they require government assistance to survive, that's unacceptable

Between 2005 and 2012, 93% of the economic gains went to the top 1% of the population, that's unacceptable

The current minimum wage is unacceptable

Raising the minimum wage to a living wage will give poor and middle class people more money to spend in the economy, more people buying things leads to employers hiring more workers and businesses grow and unemployment falls
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Still haven't figured out the whole subsidies thing, no?
 
Padawanbater2

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Harrekin said:
Still haven't figured out the whole subsidies thing, no?
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http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/walmart-government-subsidies-study
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-taxpayers-subsidized-walmart-execs-pay/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/04/15/report-walmart-workers-cost-taxpayers-6-2-billion-in-public-assistance/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/04/walmart-executive-pay-tax-loophole_n_5446074.html

Are you claiming Walmart doesn't receive government subsidies?
 
Harrekin

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Padawanbater2 said:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/walmart-government-subsidies-study
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-taxpayers-subsidized-walmart-execs-pay/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/04/15/report-walmart-workers-cost-taxpayers-6-2-billion-in-public-assistance/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/04/walmart-executive-pay-tax-loophole_n_5446074.html

Are you claiming Walmart doesn't receive government subsidies?
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No, once again Im stating that someone's poor career choice is not the same as the company receiving a subsidy.

There's a million and one reasons to dislike Walmart and yet you keep choosing the one that is nothing but a lefty falsehood.
 
Padawanbater2

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Harrekin said:
No, once again Im stating that someone's poor career choice is not the same as the company receiving a subsidy.

There's a million and one reasons to dislike Walmart and yet you keep choosing the one that is nothing but a lefty falsehood.
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Well I'm not going to argue with you about this, you can deny it or call it lefty propaganda all you like, I just gave you 4 different sources that say that it is, so I think I'll be going with that. You understand
 
Red1966

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nitro harley said:
Hey God.

When my wife turned 62 she would of only collected 160.00 per month because she has been a house wife most of her life so I started

paying her wages and after 8 years it has gone up over 1100.00 per month. She will turn 70 in less that two weeks and will collect her first SS check. Every little bit helps. I wish I would of started paying her wages earlier but better late than never.
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If yiou were married ten years or more, she can draw based on your earnings, but only get a percentage (80%??). After your death, she can draw 100% of your benefit. Will the additional benefit she gets from you paying her out weight the addittional payroll tax? I don;t think it will.
 
Red1966

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Padawanbater2 said:
Weird, right? When someone opens a business and has to pay taxes, it's slavery, but when a person works for minimum wage, hey! THEY SIGNED A CONTRACT DIDN'T THEY?!

Conservative logic
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Taxes are taken without consent, you can refuse to work for minimum wage. Yes, logic.
 
UncleBuck

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Harrekin said:
No, once again Im stating that someone's poor career choice is not the same as the company receiving a subsidy.

There's a million and one reasons to dislike Walmart and yet you keep choosing the one that is nothing but a lefty falsehood.
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why do i have to make up for walmart's low wages when i don't even shop there?

they should pay their employees enough so that i don't have to. the cost can be passed onto their own customers, rather than every single citizen.
 
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spandy

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Harrekin said:
No, once again Im stating that someone's poor career choice is not the same as the company receiving a subsidy.

There's a million and one reasons to dislike Walmart and yet you keep choosing the one that is nothing but a lefty falsehood.
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Self accountability means blame someone else to the left.

I have yet to ever have anyone who says they can't make it allow me to evaluate how they spend their time. Best I've ever heard was they worked 40 hours that week, and wanted a free pass on the other 128.

Again, bams at walmart for a living wage. If this is worth a living wage, then fuck working for a living...

 
nitro harley

nitro harley

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QUOTE="Red1966, post: 11624319, member: 358941"]If yiou were married ten years or more, she can draw based on your earnings, but only get a percentage (80%??). After your death, she can draw 100% of your benefit. Will the additional benefit she gets from you paying her out weight the addittional payroll tax? I don;t think it will.[/QUOTE]

Well where do I start. I am not old enough to collect yet so it doesn't work that way until I am old enough she can't collect on mine. And I split my wages with her just to build hers up because mine is all ready up there, so the payroll tax is the same as it would of been except she made wages on her side instead of all of it going to mine. Make sense now?

House wives kinda get screwed if she is older than the husband by a few years.
 
Padawanbater2

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Red1966 said:
Oh, I didn't know they were optional.

Even then, you can refuse. It ain;t like there's only one job in the world.
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You said taxes are taken without consent, which is false

If all that's available is minimum wage jobs, you have to take it unless you want to starve. That's the reality faced by more than 10 million working poor Americans
 
King Arthur

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Uncle Ben said:
Say what? Kids don't bring their taxpayer funded school lunches home, they never make it past the garbage can. Thanks to the gov. nanny millions of tons of food are thrown away daily by bratty kids who won't eat their healthy serving of baked chicken and broccoli. They want pizza and frito chili pie.

Gov. needs to get out of our lives. Mandating a minimum wage is nothing more than tyranny and a perfect example of how public employees screw with private business. You can't blame a corporation for using a good solution such as out sourcing labor to Mexico, Philipines, and China. It only makes good business sense....to those of us who understand business. ;)
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Makes good business sense now but wait til your children or grand children are working for 2 bucks an hour because they become the ones china starts outsourcing to.

Shit can come full circle and I guarantee that you wouldn't be praising the businesses then.
 
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