The positive, economic effect of lowering the minimum wage to $0

schuylaar

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Speak for yourself. It's not the great depression for me. We've got so much money we don't know what to do with it. Not bragging, it's a fact. 40 years of planning, investing, and making solid purchases in real estate including a retirement pension and money coming in here and there has paid off well.

Your problem is you're trying to rely on a liberal government to solve your financial problems. It's never gonna happen and that's what conservatives are trying to teach you - to be self sufficient by thinking for yourself, owning your failures, making money, etc.
did all that on $7.25/hour, ben?
 

ttystikk

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Speak for yourself. It's not the great depression for me. We've got so much money we don't know what to do with it. Not bragging, it's a fact. 40 years of planning, investing, and making solid purchases in real estate including a retirement pension and money coming in here and there has paid off well.

Your problem is you're trying to rely on a liberal government to solve your financial problems. It's never gonna happen and that's what conservatives are trying to teach you - to be self sufficient by thinking for yourself, owning your failures, making money, etc.
Did it ever occur to you how many other people had a hand in helping make your life so financially successful? Nope- the answer is obvious based on your whole mindset.

If you offer to pay an employee nothing, what quality of work will you get? How much will that person be able to participate in the economy? Or is it simply too much trouble to think about anyone else but yourself?
 

Uncle Ben

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shame on your financial adviser..they're scum anyway and don't do any real work or offer up anything of value..good for you on going elsewhere..i'm a schwab fan, myself.
Yep, they've got to make money somehow - fees, churning your account, etc.

If you're into mutual funds will link you to some I'm in or have played in the past. I also hold a few bonds and stocks but am mainly in cash. This market scares me and when the fed does finally raised interest rates, the bottom's gonna drop out.

Ranked #1 by Zack's. Am playing this one: http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=RPMGX+Interactive#{"range":"5y","showPrePost":false}

Why? Just look at the mid-cap index. http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=XX:DWM&insttype=Index

Another high flyer I'm out of now - http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=POAGX&t=1y&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=#{"range":"5y","showPrePost":false}
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?t=1y&l=on&z=l&q=l&p=&a=&c=&s=JAMRX&ql=1#{"range":"5y","showPrePost":false}

And here's a cannabis stock that I never played but know someone who did, soon to go bankrupt or be de-listed. How about $8 down to pennies.
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=SRNA+Interactive#{"range":"2y","showPrePost":false}
 

Uncle Ben

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did all that on $7.25/hour, ben?
Actually less. While in high school I worked a summer job at $0.60/hour, 10 hour split shift, 6 days a week bussing tables at a restaurant. It was tough work but I was damn happy and proud to have some money to spend on the chicks. I've also picked cotton alongside blacks and Mexicans in south Texas.

EVERYONE has to start at the bottom. Folks don't want to work, they want a job. Many do not have a clue of what the concept of "deferred gratification" is or means.

^ There in lies the problem with too many of America's youth, and liberals.
 

schuylaar

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Yep, they've got to make money somehow - fees, churning your account, etc.

If you're into mutual funds will link you to some I'm in or have played in the past. I also hold a few bonds and stocks but am mainly in cash. This market scares me and when the fed does finally raised interest rates, the bottom's gonna drop out.

Ranked #1 by Zack's. Am playing this one: http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=RPMGX Interactive#{"range":"5y","showPrePost":false}

Why? Just look at the mid-cap index. http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=XX:DWM&insttype=Index

Another high flyer I'm out of now - http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=POAGX&t=1y&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=#{"range":"5y","showPrePost":false}
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?t=1y&l=on&z=l&q=l&p=&a=&c=&s=JAMRX&ql=1#{"range":"5y","showPrePost":false}

And here's a cannabis stock that I never played but know someone who did, soon to go bankrupt or be de-listed. How about $8 down to pennies.
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=SRNA Interactive#{"range":"2y","showPrePost":false}
i will never play the market again, seriously..what good are bollinger bands when the market is rigged?..which all now know, it is..
 

torontoke

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So how does paying $0 minimum wage help the economy?
People are going to be happier and faster flipping burgers they cant afford to eat?
I thought the idea behind a free economic system was that everything is in supply and demand. You pay your employees well they are happy and can afford to live. Might not be able to afford nikes that have already been outsourced like everything else.
Instead of paying $0 to everyone and expecting to see positive change id love to see a country actually stimulate their economy pay $100 an hour and before you say ya and how is the business suppose to afford that remember business goes both ways.
Most people generally live well beyond their means so id rather my customers be walking around with extra disposable cash then none
 

Uncle Ben

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You pay your employees well they are happy and can afford to live.
That's a nanny attitude. What an employee does with his money and life style is none of my business. If they can't "afford to live", then they best find a way to make it happen.

The person worth a $100 an hour is the EMT rushing my injured wife to an emergency room, or a doctor, or plumber when my house is flooded and I need help fast....not some jerk who can't count or make change without the aid of a cash register at Micky D's.
 

schuylaar

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So how does paying $0 minimum wage help the economy?
People are going to be happier and faster flipping burgers they cant afford to eat?
I thought the idea behind a free economic system was that everything is in supply and demand. You pay your employees well they are happy and can afford to live. Might not be able to afford nikes that have already been outsourced like everything else.
Instead of paying $0 to everyone and expecting to see positive change id love to see a country actually stimulate their economy pay $100 an hour and before you say ya and how is the business suppose to afford that remember business goes both ways.
Most people generally live well beyond their means so id rather my customers be walking around with extra disposable cash then none
exactly. disposable to spend on american products and services..when they have more they will spend more.

the only misers are the righties.
 

torontoke

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That's a nanny attitude. What an employee does with his money and life style is none of my business. If they can't "afford to live", then they best find a way to make it happen.
If its your employee than it is absolutely your business or lack of business sense for that matter.
North america is cyclical no one buys things when they have no money. Your employees are also customers. If everyones broke everyone loses thats not nanny attitude its called common sense
 

sheskunk

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Guy it takes less than 30 dollars to make a pair of Nike's overseas. The company turns around and sell these shoes for 150-200 in the states. When I was in the USAF going overseas I could buy a pair of Nike's for under 50 bucks.
Nike does not save you money by outsourcing overseas. They save themselves money, you still pay up your ass.

As they fly off the shelf.

Looks like a college dorm room. How do these kids afford this?

 

TBoneJack

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this conversation is not about salaried individuals, TB.
OK, I'm dense. Sorry.

Run the numbers for a small, fast food restaurant. Let's say a Burger King with manager, assistant manager, 3 shift leads, and 10 other low-level employees (one of which has to clean up the bathroom floor whenever @UncleBuck shits on it).

The manager, assistant manager, and shift leads probably already make above any proposed minimum wage.
 

Uncle Ben

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If its your employee that it is absolutely your business or lack of business sense for that matter.
North america is cyclical no one buys things when they have no money. Your employees are also customers. If everyones broke everyone loses thats not nanny attitude its called common sense
My employees are not broke. Again, it's their problem if they are based on their poor choices. It's not my problem or yours. You've got this liberal mindset whereby you think you know what's best for the individual. Sorry....you don't.

That's that liberal nanny, "have-nots" thinking which I find nauseating. :spew:
 

torontoke

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My employees are not broke. Again, it's their problem if they are based on poor choices. It's not my problem or yours. You've got this liberal mindset where you think you know what's best for the individual. That's liberal nanny, "have-nots" thinking which I find nauseating. :spew:

Sorry....you don't.
I dont think i know whats best for anyone else but i do know that a $0 minimum wage is good for no one.
If there are people willing to work for free then they must be living on a different planet than this one.
Its ok soon enough everything will be imported from asia and u can order your fast food led burger in record time.
Hopefully drs are still making money tho or all the money you pulled out of your employees wallets wont be good for much
 

Uncle Ben

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I dont think i know whats best for anyone else but i do know that a $0 minimum wage is good for no one.
If there are people willing to work for free then they must be living on a different planet than this one.
Its ok soon enough everything will be imported from asia and u can order your fast food led burger in record time.
Hopefully drs are still making money tho or all the money you pulled out of your employees wallets wont be good for much
You're really missing the point. Oh well......
 

Red1966

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you don't know me, ben and you have know idea who i am or what i've done in my life..i've made more money legally than you will in your cash cropping career.

outsourcing also kills america.
I know you. You abandoned your children and quit working to live on government largess. You are a bought and paid for Democratic supporter.
 

torontoke

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You're really missing the point. Oh well......
What am i missing?
Poor people should be happy to be poor and a $0 minmum wage should make them even happier?
Im trying to understand your logic dude but im not getting it at all.
If you think the service sucks in a restaurant manned by $15 an hour employees what do u expect the service to be like in a $0 an hour restaurant?
 
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