I don't know pretty sure Trump won't ever face charges being as he has diplomatic immunity of the highest seat in the nation. Sounds like a fantasy.
The people behind the violence in the American protests of George Floyd.
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hanimmal
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Idk pretty sure we put a person in prison because she showed Obama's military lighting up civilians. I think that's illegal too but hey can't let our president go down how would that look?
Individual 1 is screwed when he is no longer in office.
hanimmal
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But Obama? Are you talking about the person who Obama pardoned btw?
I guess you missed that Trump was working with a foreign military to cheat his way into a election.
you got some documents to back that up?
what was going on here?
Fogdog
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Trump has been president for more than three years. He inherited a strong economy. Now, this country is more fucked up than it has been in decades.
hanimmal
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How do you know they were 'Antifa'?
I think it is just as likely based on who uploaded the video and the troll comments that it is a bunch of the far right radicalized domestic terrorists trying to paint the protests the way you do too in a way to help Trump's re-eelction chances.
What makes you think they aren't antifa? so you're telling me that all protesters are pro facism and they just say they are anti facism and really they love how the country is? hmmmmm sounds like mental gymnastics buddy. I guess Kyle Rittenhouse is really a hero for killing facists who are lying to everyone about saving the blacks from the police. you can't have it all ways. The video comes from a live stream and there are multiple angles of it for fucks sake. this is why your side is going to lose the election you set off everyone's bullshit detector.
hanimmal
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I don't know who they are other than domestic terrorists trying to scare people into thinking these small pockets of violence are anything other than providing clickbait for Trump's cult.
Clickbait that they can then use to scare their friends and family into thinking 'Antifa' is coming to get them and soon all those 'city dwellers' are going to come to their neighborhood.
Trump is using race baiting along with the click bait propaganda as his reelection platform.
so in this video where the fake antifa hits the guy in a wheel chair and then they get beat down in a ditch. was all psyop to help Trump get elected? If that's what it is you guys are definitely going to lose because some how Trump has 10000's of people willing to get beaten and arrested to get him re elected. meanwhile you guys only stick to free speech zones like good protesters. I thought he really made ya'lll mad but that must be a lie.. I bet even you are really just a Trump shill saying dumb leftist shit to trick me into thinking all leftists are complete morons who ignore the obvious. must be what it is. weird look how they are in a neighborhood.
hanimmal
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So your 'evidence' of 'Antifa' is a bunch of right wing goons chasing and ultimately beating up a few people dressed in black calling them shit like 'Antifa' and 'Commie bastards'? Sounds like branding on youtube to me, just like (almost) every other right wing video on 'antifa' I have watched. This is the problem with what is happening in social media, people just say shit and decide that it is the truth when they really have no clue other than witnessing violence and painting it as 'them'.
Like 5 people in black, therefore antifa? How about Commies? Did they try to tell them the benefits of Medicare for all?
From the video you can clearly see they were backing away and not engaging.
After some white guy brands 'them' as Antifa it cuts to four or five guys that are from the side that branded themselves as right wing jumping one guy. I didn't see any wheelchairs in this video up to this point.
There is the wheelchair, but I couldn't find video of what happened to the vet it belonged to in that video.
The cop even said the violence was on 'both sides' and arrests were made on 'both sides' of this fight.
If you are actually an American and not just another in the endless line of trolls, I really think that you should read what the vet who was in this incident had to say about it. Instead of just applying what the propaganda is brainwashing Trump supporters into branding.
Ill post it for you.
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hanimmal
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Most interesting to me is when the wheelchair bound vet describes a group not related to the protesters comes in (after the people in black were allowing the right wing goon squad beat on them without responding violently back) and the violence starts between a different group later on. The above sock puppet is demonstrating a perfect example of right wing propaganda trying to paint 'Antifa' as the rioters.
https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2020/08/10/fort-collins-police-rally-protesters-dispute-aggressors-both-sides-caused-brawl/3334912001/
More arrests are expected as a result of pro-police rally that devolved into a brawl near Fort Collins Police Services headquarters Saturday, Fort Collins Police Chief Jeff Swoboda said.
The event — a Defend the Police rally organized by Northern Colorado Young Republicans — started with police supporters lining up in front of the police department along Nancy Gray Avenue around 3 p.m. Not long after, it ended in three arrests and one citation after rally attendees and counter protesters converged during a fight in a nearby neighborhood.
After the Defend the Police rally began, Black Lives Matter demonstrators started gathered on the north side of Nancy Gray Avenue across from rally attendees, according to videos from the event and Fort Collins resident Wes Carter, who attended the pro-police rally.
Carter, a 73-year-old Air Force veteran, told the Coloradoan he originally attended the rally to support its message of standing with "the 99% of good, courageous law enforcement (officers)," according to the event's description.
When Black Lives Matter demonstrators congregated across the street from the rally, Carter said he went over in his wheelchair to join them.
"I felt that I could go over there and support both (sides)," Carter said. "There was nothing I would be doing over (on the Black Lives Matter side) that was against the values expressed by the (defend the police) side."
While demonstrators on both sides of the road were originally peaceful, Carter said as he moved to join the Black Lives Matter group, he noticed some attendees of the pro-police rally coming across the street as well.
When the two groups started interacting with and speaking to each other, they got close — "belly-to-belly," Carter said. "But it was just vocal. Not threatening, not violent," he added.
Then, a group of other demonstrators, largely clad in black clothing and masks, started joining the Black Lives Matters group along the north side of Nancy Gray Avenue, Carter said. Some of the pro-police demonstrators who had walked across the street began encircling the protesters and walking its members backwards into a neighborhood west of the police department.
Carter said he does not know what group the demonstrators in black belonged to because they were not in the original group of Black Lives Matter protesters lined up along the street.
Larson Ross, who was part of the original group of Black Lives Matter protesters, said he wasn't sure what movement, if any, those in all black were affiliated with either, but several were wearing red cross patches to identify themselves as protest medics.
Wearing all black to a protest is a common defensive tactic to prevent being identified from photos after the protest and "isn't indicative of any group coordination," Ross said.
As tensions rose between the groups, videos show the demonstrators in black being called "antifa" and "commie scum" by voices off screen.
Carter said some of the people who walked over from the pro-police rally also yelled out racial slurs.
The demonstrators in black clothing "were passive," Carter added. "They let themselves be hit ... the antagonists went looking for a fight, the (protesters in all black) stood there and, bam, that was enough to invite the violence."
As the group walked further into the neighborhood, videos show that several people ended up in an open field between two houses. A series of videos submitted to the Coloradoan show neighbors looking on as tensions peak in the field.
Someone ended up in a ditch in the field and others piled on top of them, Carter said, and the standoff devolved into the brawl Fort Collins police officers soon responded to. He said he didn't get a good look at how people originally ended up in the ditch.
While some of the videos shared from the incident feature voices claiming someone "pushed a veteran out of his wheelchair," Carter said he jumped out of his wheelchair to help someone at the bottom of the ditch who was being hit by a pair of pro-police demonstrators.
"Nobody wanted to hit me or hurt me and they stopped," Carter said, adding that he was eventually helped back into his wheelchair.
Carter said the people involved in the brawl were a small portion of those attending the pro-police rally. He noted that most of the rally's attendees stayed on the southern side of Nancy Gray Avenue and remained nonviolent.
Northern Colorado Young Republicans had not responded to the Coloradoan's messages seeking comment about their rally by Monday afternoon.
Saturday's rally and protest resulted in the first notable physical altercation related to the roughly two dozen protests and gatherings held outside the Fort Collins Police Services building since George Floyd's killing in May, Swoboda said.
The melee ended in three arrests on various misdemeanor charges of disorderly conduct, resisting arrest and possession of an illegal weapon. One person was also cited for criminal tampering, a class 2 misdemeanor, according to Fort Collins Police Services.
The Coloradoan has decided not to identify those arrested because they were arrested on misdemeanor charges. It is requesting police reports related to the fight to learn more about the criminal allegations.
Fort Collins police are still seeking information about the incident from anyone who was there, according to Swoboda. As a result of tips from the community and the work of investigators, Swoboda said more arrests relating to the fight are "imminent."
In a video statement released Sunday, Swoboda said there were "active aggressors on both sides," and that enforcement also happened on both sides.
Carter pushed back on that statement about aggressors being on both sides, calling it "absolutely incorrect."
"You can’t be aggressive when you’re walking backwards, trying to get out of there with agitators belly-to-belly against you screaming and yelling," he said.
Ross agreed. "There were not aggressors on both sides," he said. "(The protesters in all black) were just going to leave. They were walking away and doing it peacefully."
Swoboda stood by his statement about the incident's aggressors Monday, adding that several people on each side came to the event armed, with items ranging from sidearms and brass knuckles to pepper spray and fireworks.
"There were people that were looking for a fight on both sides," Swoboda said. "Seeing grown men act like this is really sad. This is not the Fort Collins that I have known for the past two years."
"Simply throwing on an 'I support the police' T-shirt, but then acting like a person with no regard for the law or safety of other people — that is not support, we do not want your support and we do not need your support," Swoboda said.
"You'll see, when arrest information comes out, (that) this was a destination for people looking to get into a fight for some," he added, noting that the vast majority of people involved in the fight were not Fort Collins residents.
"Let’s not be discouraged as a community and let’s continue to work together to address big issues," he said.
Anyone with information about this incident who may be able help in this investigation is asked to contact Detective C.J. O'Loughlin at 970-416-2571.
https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2020/08/10/fort-collins-police-rally-protesters-dispute-aggressors-both-sides-caused-brawl/3334912001/
More arrests are expected as a result of pro-police rally that devolved into a brawl near Fort Collins Police Services headquarters Saturday, Fort Collins Police Chief Jeff Swoboda said.
The event — a Defend the Police rally organized by Northern Colorado Young Republicans — started with police supporters lining up in front of the police department along Nancy Gray Avenue around 3 p.m. Not long after, it ended in three arrests and one citation after rally attendees and counter protesters converged during a fight in a nearby neighborhood.
After the Defend the Police rally began, Black Lives Matter demonstrators started gathered on the north side of Nancy Gray Avenue across from rally attendees, according to videos from the event and Fort Collins resident Wes Carter, who attended the pro-police rally.
Carter, a 73-year-old Air Force veteran, told the Coloradoan he originally attended the rally to support its message of standing with "the 99% of good, courageous law enforcement (officers)," according to the event's description.
When Black Lives Matter demonstrators congregated across the street from the rally, Carter said he went over in his wheelchair to join them.
"I felt that I could go over there and support both (sides)," Carter said. "There was nothing I would be doing over (on the Black Lives Matter side) that was against the values expressed by the (defend the police) side."
While demonstrators on both sides of the road were originally peaceful, Carter said as he moved to join the Black Lives Matter group, he noticed some attendees of the pro-police rally coming across the street as well.
When the two groups started interacting with and speaking to each other, they got close — "belly-to-belly," Carter said. "But it was just vocal. Not threatening, not violent," he added.
Then, a group of other demonstrators, largely clad in black clothing and masks, started joining the Black Lives Matters group along the north side of Nancy Gray Avenue, Carter said. Some of the pro-police demonstrators who had walked across the street began encircling the protesters and walking its members backwards into a neighborhood west of the police department.
Carter said he does not know what group the demonstrators in black belonged to because they were not in the original group of Black Lives Matter protesters lined up along the street.
Larson Ross, who was part of the original group of Black Lives Matter protesters, said he wasn't sure what movement, if any, those in all black were affiliated with either, but several were wearing red cross patches to identify themselves as protest medics.
Wearing all black to a protest is a common defensive tactic to prevent being identified from photos after the protest and "isn't indicative of any group coordination," Ross said.
As tensions rose between the groups, videos show the demonstrators in black being called "antifa" and "commie scum" by voices off screen.
Carter said some of the people who walked over from the pro-police rally also yelled out racial slurs.
The demonstrators in black clothing "were passive," Carter added. "They let themselves be hit ... the antagonists went looking for a fight, the (protesters in all black) stood there and, bam, that was enough to invite the violence."
As the group walked further into the neighborhood, videos show that several people ended up in an open field between two houses. A series of videos submitted to the Coloradoan show neighbors looking on as tensions peak in the field.
Someone ended up in a ditch in the field and others piled on top of them, Carter said, and the standoff devolved into the brawl Fort Collins police officers soon responded to. He said he didn't get a good look at how people originally ended up in the ditch.
While some of the videos shared from the incident feature voices claiming someone "pushed a veteran out of his wheelchair," Carter said he jumped out of his wheelchair to help someone at the bottom of the ditch who was being hit by a pair of pro-police demonstrators.
"Nobody wanted to hit me or hurt me and they stopped," Carter said, adding that he was eventually helped back into his wheelchair.
Carter said the people involved in the brawl were a small portion of those attending the pro-police rally. He noted that most of the rally's attendees stayed on the southern side of Nancy Gray Avenue and remained nonviolent.
Northern Colorado Young Republicans had not responded to the Coloradoan's messages seeking comment about their rally by Monday afternoon.
Saturday's rally and protest resulted in the first notable physical altercation related to the roughly two dozen protests and gatherings held outside the Fort Collins Police Services building since George Floyd's killing in May, Swoboda said.
The melee ended in three arrests on various misdemeanor charges of disorderly conduct, resisting arrest and possession of an illegal weapon. One person was also cited for criminal tampering, a class 2 misdemeanor, according to Fort Collins Police Services.
The Coloradoan has decided not to identify those arrested because they were arrested on misdemeanor charges. It is requesting police reports related to the fight to learn more about the criminal allegations.
Fort Collins police are still seeking information about the incident from anyone who was there, according to Swoboda. As a result of tips from the community and the work of investigators, Swoboda said more arrests relating to the fight are "imminent."
In a video statement released Sunday, Swoboda said there were "active aggressors on both sides," and that enforcement also happened on both sides.
Carter pushed back on that statement about aggressors being on both sides, calling it "absolutely incorrect."
"You can’t be aggressive when you’re walking backwards, trying to get out of there with agitators belly-to-belly against you screaming and yelling," he said.
Ross agreed. "There were not aggressors on both sides," he said. "(The protesters in all black) were just going to leave. They were walking away and doing it peacefully."
Swoboda stood by his statement about the incident's aggressors Monday, adding that several people on each side came to the event armed, with items ranging from sidearms and brass knuckles to pepper spray and fireworks.
"There were people that were looking for a fight on both sides," Swoboda said. "Seeing grown men act like this is really sad. This is not the Fort Collins that I have known for the past two years."
"Simply throwing on an 'I support the police' T-shirt, but then acting like a person with no regard for the law or safety of other people — that is not support, we do not want your support and we do not need your support," Swoboda said.
"You'll see, when arrest information comes out, (that) this was a destination for people looking to get into a fight for some," he added, noting that the vast majority of people involved in the fight were not Fort Collins residents.
"Let’s not be discouraged as a community and let’s continue to work together to address big issues," he said.
Anyone with information about this incident who may be able help in this investigation is asked to contact Detective C.J. O'Loughlin at 970-416-2571.
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so when I post a video shared by CBS corporation it's social media influencing me but then you share a video and it's the truth? is that how this works now? You're a loon bro. the guy in the wheel chair gets hit from the " white supremacist in disguise to manipulate America for Putin" and then the "back the blue" guys beat them in a ditch. BLINDERS!!! I'm sure people from both sides got arrested that doesn't change that the "white supremacists in disguise as antifas to help putin" chose the guy in the wheel chair to attack first. lol
hanimmal
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You even read what the vet said?
You are out of your mind with the trolling for Dear Leader, as anyone who actually looks at these posts can see. You really should think about not just believing stuff you see online because some troll said something that fits the narrative Trump needs you to believe to have a chance in hell at being re-elected.
The vet said nobody punched him, and that he got out of his wheelchair to help one of the people the right wing fucktards were beating up. You are just pushing lies.
Fogdog
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Deflections, distractions, blah blah blah.
Trump and your kind drove this country into a ditch. It took Trump less than three years to bring the economy back into the Great Recession, where the previous Republican president left it. Fact.
hanimmal
Well-Known Member
https://apnews.com/0de8217fdf5de6296ea21634b57b8890
PHILADELPHIA (AP) — A former Philadelphia police officer who was cleared of charges that he falsified records is suing to get his job back, saying officials were retaliating for his support of Black Lives Matter.
Bryan Turner, who is Black, sued the city and the Philadelphia Police Department this week in federal court, claiming systematic discrimination against him. The lawsuit seeks monetary damages and reinstatement with back pay.
A spokesman for the mayor’s office said the city does not comment on open litigation. A spokesman for the police department declined a request for comment.
Turner, 31, was fired in 2018 and arrested on charges attempted theft by deception, unsworn falsifying, obstructing justice and official oppression related to the reports department officials alleged had been falsified.
A Philadelphia judge cleared Turner of the charges after a five-day trial.
The department had alleged Turner listed a second officer in two arrests who had not been present in order to help steal potential overtime pay if that officer was called to testify. A supervisor also cited a discrepancy in his paperwork on a drug arrest related to whether Turner recovered drugs before or after a sergeant arrived at an arrest scene.
Turner’s attorney, Melissa Freeman, said testimony from another officer during trial supported Turner’s statements about the timeline for the drugs being turned over.
Freeman argued in the criminal case that the discrepancies were clerical errors caused by a misunderstanding or by an autofill system for paperwork. Other officers were given the chance to fix those kinds of errors, she said, and in some cases the errors were exactly the same.
“The above-described allegations were mere pretext to conceal the discriminatory and retaliatory reasons adverse employment action was taken,” Freeman wrote in the lawsuit.
The lawsuit filed this week alleges the firing, the charges and the refusal to reinstate Turner as an officer are all retaliation for his support on social media for Black Lives Matter and for his 2017 support for activists who were calling for white Philadelphia police Officer Ryan Pownall to be fired after the on-duty shooting of David Jones, who was fleeing. Pownall is facing murder charges.
Turner also cited a 2015 memo he sent to department leaders alleging racist remarks by a commander. He filed a lawsuit for a hostile work environment that the city settled for $50,000 after a judge dismissed many of the allegations.
Turner alleges in the lawsuit that after he spoke out about Pownall, other police officers sent or said hostile things to him, including asking for his badge number so that when Turner was killed in the line of duty, they didn’t contribute to the officer fund for his family.
The lawsuit also notes that the department held him in unpaid suspension from the end of August 2018, when charges were filed, until December. That prevented him from being able to draw from his retirement funds to pay expenses and caused him to miss a deadline to reenlist in the National Guard, which cost Turner his educational benefit, as well.
The police department, which is in charge of granting all gun permits in the city, also denied a permit request from Turner after he was cleared of charges, citing his police employment file and saying he was “likely to act in a manner dangerous to public safety.”
The denial prevented Turner from employment as a law enforcement officer at other agencies in the city, despite being cleared of all charges, he said.
PHILADELPHIA (AP) — A former Philadelphia police officer who was cleared of charges that he falsified records is suing to get his job back, saying officials were retaliating for his support of Black Lives Matter.
Bryan Turner, who is Black, sued the city and the Philadelphia Police Department this week in federal court, claiming systematic discrimination against him. The lawsuit seeks monetary damages and reinstatement with back pay.
A spokesman for the mayor’s office said the city does not comment on open litigation. A spokesman for the police department declined a request for comment.
Turner, 31, was fired in 2018 and arrested on charges attempted theft by deception, unsworn falsifying, obstructing justice and official oppression related to the reports department officials alleged had been falsified.
A Philadelphia judge cleared Turner of the charges after a five-day trial.
The department had alleged Turner listed a second officer in two arrests who had not been present in order to help steal potential overtime pay if that officer was called to testify. A supervisor also cited a discrepancy in his paperwork on a drug arrest related to whether Turner recovered drugs before or after a sergeant arrived at an arrest scene.
Turner’s attorney, Melissa Freeman, said testimony from another officer during trial supported Turner’s statements about the timeline for the drugs being turned over.
Freeman argued in the criminal case that the discrepancies were clerical errors caused by a misunderstanding or by an autofill system for paperwork. Other officers were given the chance to fix those kinds of errors, she said, and in some cases the errors were exactly the same.
“The above-described allegations were mere pretext to conceal the discriminatory and retaliatory reasons adverse employment action was taken,” Freeman wrote in the lawsuit.
The lawsuit filed this week alleges the firing, the charges and the refusal to reinstate Turner as an officer are all retaliation for his support on social media for Black Lives Matter and for his 2017 support for activists who were calling for white Philadelphia police Officer Ryan Pownall to be fired after the on-duty shooting of David Jones, who was fleeing. Pownall is facing murder charges.
Turner also cited a 2015 memo he sent to department leaders alleging racist remarks by a commander. He filed a lawsuit for a hostile work environment that the city settled for $50,000 after a judge dismissed many of the allegations.
Turner alleges in the lawsuit that after he spoke out about Pownall, other police officers sent or said hostile things to him, including asking for his badge number so that when Turner was killed in the line of duty, they didn’t contribute to the officer fund for his family.
The lawsuit also notes that the department held him in unpaid suspension from the end of August 2018, when charges were filed, until December. That prevented him from being able to draw from his retirement funds to pay expenses and caused him to miss a deadline to reenlist in the National Guard, which cost Turner his educational benefit, as well.
The police department, which is in charge of granting all gun permits in the city, also denied a permit request from Turner after he was cleared of charges, citing his police employment file and saying he was “likely to act in a manner dangerous to public safety.”
The denial prevented Turner from employment as a law enforcement officer at other agencies in the city, despite being cleared of all charges, he said.
that's why we're being tortured, he wants to stay out of prison..i'm concerned about blaze of glory on the way out.
Individual 1 is screwed when he is no longer in office.
the truth has occurred; troll had his 24..truth reigns supreme!
amazing how it's not news unless trump lights his hair on fire daily.